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Gene your so blinded by your message that you can’t see anything else other than trying to keep Jesus, as just a man. You and Jodi see the bible through the lens of Jesus being just a man. They call it blinded by the light.that all you can see blindness. you need to try to keep a open mind if possible . Later.
Hi Gene,
“which are minded of their own freewill
to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee” (Ezra 7:13)What is influencing their wills the most here?
Gene?
Hi Anthony,
If you do not believe that Jesus was a man then you have entirely missed the message.
Your belief is in another all powerful and all knowing god then?
You do not believe God was in him either? 2cor 5.19
Perhaps you do not know our God at all?
You have listened to strangers.
Hi Jodi,
You quoted me: Christ did nothing of himself proves that the Word in him was YHWH. Christ expressed himself as a cloud, a burning bush, melchizedek, etc. The body of Christ was God’s permanent bod, not the bush, angel, etc.
You: You say though that the WORD is not YHWH below, you are not making any sense to me.
You say the Word in him was YHWH, but the Word is not YHWH?
You quoted me: YHWH’s words are spirit and come from YHWH but is not YHWH. YHWH expresses his words through the “Word”.
Me Explanation: Notice “Word” is capitalized and singular. I said his words (plural and not capsized are not YHWH) but come from YHWH through the express image ( the Word) of YHWH. Words are not baby WORDs, LOL. YHWH has a mind that is spirit. He has an exact image of his mind (the WORD) that he expresses himself through. Nobody has heard or seen the Father at any time. He is the unapproachable light (1 Tim 6:16), whereas his Word, the image of his mind that he expresses himself through (the revealed light: John 1:4). John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Me: God revealed or the Word is the light of men. The Word was God and alive with God (God Almighty).
Hi Jodi,
You: This is what we are told,
Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—
Luke 4:17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Because of the MAN having been anointed with YHWH’s Spirit YHWH is in him, he is able to speak the words of YHWH, he is able to proclaim the year of the Lord, proclaim freedom, he was anointed so that he could proclaim good news. This is EXACTLY what we are told TC!! Jesus could do nothing of himself because he was a MAN, then he was ANOINTED with the Spirit of YHWH and BECAUSE of that ANOINTING he THEN could speak the words of YHWH.Me: Yes the Word was expressed in Christ and took up a tabenacle, not the Word was made flesh. Again, John 14:10 confirms that the Word is the spokesman for YHWH and is YHWH, He spoke through the flesh of Christ. YHWH is greater than his image.
Psalm 8:5 What is man that you thought of him, and the son of man that you care for him. Yet You have made him a little lower than God, and you crown him with glory and majesty.
You: YHWH spoke in times past to the prophets, and in these last days he spoke THROUGH His Son, the Son was able to do this because as Jesus said , “The Spirit of the Lord is on me (see John 1:32 below) because he has anointed me to proclaim good news. Jesus having been given the Spirit of wisdom, understanding and knowledge, made it possible for him to speak wisdom, understanding and speak of the good news because he received the knowledge of the good news from YHWH.
Me: YHWH was in (2 Cor 5:19) Christ through his Word and upon Christ. Christ did not hear YHWH speaking through a loud speaker but was speaking through him in the spirit. YHWH was on Christ in the sense that he was singled out as the son of God.
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Me: The spirit abode on Christ and not in Christ above. Why? Because the spirit of God was in Christ already from conception.
Hi Ed,
For those reborn into Christ of water and the Spirit.
‘God is at work in you to will and to do’
Hi Jodi,
You: In him below is the firstborn of the dead.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Me: So how can you say that Christ was baptized in his own death at Jordan when he hadn’t died yet? He was baptized with the holy spirit at Jordan? Not too savvy.
You:
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Me: some older versions say that the rock that followed them was God and not Christ. This is confirmed by 2 Sam 2:22 and Psalm 18:2. But regardless, The Word became one with Christ and together are called the Word of God (Rev 19:13) or conversely Christ. So you could refer to Christ as the rock, even if he came later. The baptism of Moses was a type of salvation. You went on for the next paragraph discussing things that we are not even addressing. Then you came out with this astonishing statement that you though that I believed but actually is what Anthony believes. I differ from him here, but more importantly I agree with him that the son of God was much more than just one of boys. He was the image of God revealed.
I have never said anything vaguely like what you just said. I keep saying that the Word of God spoke to the prophets. And you keep saying I said the son of God spoke to the prophets. Please go to page 527 and see my numerous posts there. The Word of God that existed eternally became one with the seed of David that existed two thousand years ago to become the Messiah—for the 10,000 time. Christ did not pre-exist but the Word in him did. The Word in him bonded as one with the human Christ. Together this phenomenon is the Son of God.
Hi TC,
The Word that was in the beginning with God, and was God, was made flesh in the cleansed man Jesus,
at the Jordan.
Hi Nick,
No of course we don’t feed on the literal flesh of Jesus, I never said we did.
In the wilderness YHWH provided through miracles food and drink in order to keep them alive.
YHWH provided through Jesus the Christ and his sinless flesh a way to eternal life. We believe in him, we take him into our hearts and have faith, he is the true bread from heaven that gives life. Jesus is not literally bread, and we don’t literally eat him in order to receive eternal life, lol!
Hi TWW,
You gave the below passages,
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [Jesus] was made a quickening spirit.2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. “
You need to combine this with other scriptures,
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see decay.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
People were witness to the resurrected Jesus and he was raised with his FLESH not seeing decay, and it is according to the FLESH he would be raised and sit on David’s throne.
Jesus was raised a spiritual body indeed, he was raised spiritual, there was NOTHING separating him from God, NO TEMPTATION, he had an eternal body of flesh, that is what he was raised IN.
The last Adam (of the red earth) a HUMAN being was made a quickening spirit. Quickening means to bring to life. Jesus had died and YHWH had quickened/brought to life his spirit again, he brought his spirit back to life in his body that was not allowed to see decay.
No we no longer know Christ according to the flesh that he had, it was MORTAL it was weak, able to feel pain and anguish, able to be tempted. The people did know however Christ as he was raised, which was flesh and bones. Was he not said to have been raised in glory? Was he not said to be raised in power?
The flesh of Jesus was not allowed to see decay, the only way it would not see decay is if it received eternal life. Which that would have to be true if according to the flesh Jesus would sit on David’s throne for eternity. Jesus after he was raised from the dead is still the Son of Man, scripture says so multiple times, it is the Son of Man which that world MAN is the Greek word for a HUMAN BEING. He is still a human being, not some spirit creature. He is a spiritual human being because having eternal life, he is no longer in bondage to the fear of death, he lives his life FREE from that bondage, he no longer has any temptation to serve the flesh, as eternal life in the flesh lives by the Word of YHWH alone. Jesus was spiritual in his mind when he was mortal because he did not allow himself to serve himself, he served YHWH alone, but he had a weak body that he had to fight against temptation. 1 Corinthians 15 is speaking of the BODY, it was raised in power, it was raised a spiritual body, a body with eternal life united with God, a body that did not attempt to separate Jesus from the will of YHWH.
Jesus is NOT some spirit being, some new creature.
Man –Anthropos HUMAN BEING
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
A HUMAN BEING is coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
I think many people on this forum just might find themselves denying him when he comes because he is not a spirit being, some new creature, they are going to think he is the antichrist at this rate, with what I am reading on this forum right now anyway.
Just makes me all the more thankful to YHWH that I know who Jesus the Son of God is, a PERFECT MAN, the fullness of an anointed human being, who died for his BRETHREN. He is my older brother, God’s firstborn, thus he is also before Abraham, he is before David, and he is before John the baptist, as he received the promise FIRST, the promise of eternal life, which YHWH had made before He created heaven and earth. He is our master, as he has been in heaven preparing a place for us, a new beginning on earth.
Hi Nick
Yes Nick I belive Jesus Christ was send by His Father to die for the sins of the world.
The Bible says that Father God prepared a body for His Son in order for His Son to come into the world.
Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said, “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me”I just don’t believe that He was just a man, God was His Father not Joseph. How can you think that He was a regular Human . If so He would have been born by Human parents but God it’s His Father . There a different’s
God bless
Hi All,
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Me: Plain and simple–the natural body is not the spiritual body.
2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle (temporary dwelling) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, (a) eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
Me: The house reserve for us in heaven is eternal or everlasting. Our earthly house is temporary and of the earth. Christ was not glorified until after he (a) ascended into heaven where he received his heavenly house. He was glorified as shown in the vision in Matt 17:2-9 and in Dan 12:3, Mat 13:43. His earthly house or tabernacle (temporary dwelling) is of the red dirt. His heavenly house is from heaven, not of the earth. In fact, even the earth will be changed (Rev 21:1, 22).
Rev 22:16…I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
1 Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
Click on the link below. Then click on 599 above “it dies”
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/15-36.htm
NASB Translation
dead (5), death (1), death* (1), die (34), died (53), dies (12), dying (4), mortal (1), perished (1), put (1).Me: Christ’s and our mortal bodies will perish.
1 Cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seeds), it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (seed): 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Me: In the end there is only one spirit (Eph 3:3), the holy spirit. We will have bodies of this spirit and not our human spirits which will be no more. Likewise, our physical bodies will be no more. It will cease to exist.
1 Cor 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Me: The true outward image of God will be Christ’s new body of the holy spirit and not of the spirit of the human body (of seed of the human mind of David).
2 Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Me: Christ has a new body not of the earth. We will have new bodies not of the earth. I have changed my position on Christ, he has a new body now after he ascended into heaven to receive it, not at his second coming. We have our new bodies at his second coming. Christ did not receive his new body when he was resurrected from the dead but had not yet ascended into heaven where he was glorified.
Rev 21:22: And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen (perceived) him…9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Me: Rev 21:22-23 and John 14:7,9 are parallel verses. Christ is the expressed image of Almighty God’s mind through the Word in him and bodily.
1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in (1) corruption; it is raised in (2) incorruption:…44 It is sown a natural body (1); it is raised a spiritual body (2). There is a natural body (1), and there is a spiritual body (2)….35New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;\
2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
Me: We inherit immortality in both our spirits and bodies. We will have one spirit and one body of that holy spirit.
Good Morning Nick and All,
You said, “So to you a natural body IS a spiritual body. Nonsense”
The natural body is the weak body, it hungers and needs to eat in order to live, it sweats, it feels pain, it is in bondage to the fear of death, it is tempted through it’s born weaknesses.
We are not born with sin, but we are born with a weak body, where sin is inevitable. A baby needs milk, and it gives signal to his mother to feed him, this is often crying. The baby is irritable and suffers if it does not receive milk. Humans grow from an infant with innate NEEDS, needing sustenance is one of those needs. These innate needs call for the human being to serve himself. It is not a sin to eat food, however it is a sin to steal food. When you are hungry and have no food you use your imagination to acquire it, that imagination may devise away to obtain the food in a sinful manner, such as stealing, and depending on your character you may give into the desire to steal the food. The desire you have for food is an innate need, it is out of your control, it equates to you being born with a weak natural body, this innate need has you bound where you must serve yourself in order to live. Your carnal mind is at enmity with God, through your imagination you may follow your own way, you may follow your desire of stealing the food to fulfill your innate need. Your imagination runs through the best person to steal from, you are going to steal from the old lady further down the road even though she does not have much herself, and not the well armed neighbor a few houses down, who has plenty.
The natural body was sown in weakness, it has innate needs of which are out of your control of which asks you to serve yourself, your mind decides how it is you shall serve it, will it be according to God if He has led you to righteous characteristics, or according to that which you have devised on your own?
The BODY that was sown in weakness was raised in power. What is nonsense Nick is that you deny the BODY that Jesus was raised in, which we are told was a body raised in glory of which Jesus himself said was flesh and bones and not a spirit. A spiritual body and a spirit are NOT the SAME. When he was a mortal he had a spiritual mind serving God denying his natural mind/carnal mind serving his own desires, he was spiritual, spiritually minded, his mind was not separated from God. You deny that he is still a human being which we are told specifically that it is the Son of a Human Being who is returning. He was raised with a spiritual body, one with power not weakness. One where there are no longer any innate needs that one must serve in order to live, YHWH removed them upon eternal life, and thus the imagination has no need to devise ways in which to serve itself, it has been freed to serve YHWH, no distractions, no temptations. His BODY is spiritual it is not separated from God.
This is what Paul longed for a body no longer able to tempt him, he wanted to put on the body of eternal life, and be free to serve God instead of having a body tempting him to serve himself.
Hi TWW and Anthony,
You are so close.
Who was Christ’s human father that begot Mary? There was none. Joseph was not his father according to the flesh.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Me: David was Christ’s father according to the flesh. But if Christ had the spirit of David, he would have sin and death in his flesh. I believe “seed” is of the mind and not of the spirit of the mind.
Romans 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Me: It was the human heart and mind that Christ inherited from David, and not the spirit of the flesh. The spirit of the flesh is perishable in the end. Death spread throughout the whole animal kingdom because of this one spirit.
Eccl 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath (Spirit); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Me: The difference with Christ is that he had the holy spirit and only the holy spirit as his one spirit. Thus he had life and not death in him.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Me: The Messiah was not weak in his flesh. He did not have the heart of the devil in it, but instead he had the spirit of God in his human heart. It is this human heart that we will inherit.
Ephesians 4:23-25 Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
23 Have a new mind and heart. 24 Be a new person. That new person has been made like God. He does what is right and holy because he knows the truth. 25 So stop telling lies. Tell the truth to each other. We all are parts of the same body.Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Me: Christ was from the human heart and mind (seed) of David. His spirit mind was of the seed (mind) of the God through the holy spirit (1 John 3:9).
Hi All,
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Me: Our new bodies from heaven will be in the image of our physical bodies of the earth.
Jodi….You are right, their is a flesh and bone “spiritual” body that we, like Jesus will be raised or changed with. The word “spritual ” does not mean a spirit body, it means a spiritually generated body, of flesh and bone, just as Jesus was raised with and even now has.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hello All,
I need to make an edit to my last post, and the edit option is not available.
I had said, “The natural body is the weak body, it hungers and needs to eat in order to live, it sweats, it feels pain, it is in bondage to the fear of death, it is tempted through it’s born weaknesses.”
Correction: The natural body is the weak body, it hungers and needs to eat in order to live, it sweats, it feels pain, it is in bondage to the fear of death, it is tempted when it invents through the imagination a desire to fulfill the natural need in a sinful way.
Hi Jodi,
In a world without God and without Satan your ideas might make sense.
Dig deeper. You are your own god it seems and you teachings are of your imagination.
The seed is NOT the same as the plant that grows from it as Holy Scripture attests.
The seed of the natural body is planted but the new different Spiritual body is raised from the earth.
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