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Hi Ed,
Where does it say SPIRIT OF CHRIST in Micah 5.2?
It you add your ideas to scripture the result becomes just your ideas.
Still no supporting verses?
“But thou, (1)Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
(2)whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)Hi Ed,
Where does it say SPIRIT OF CHRIST in Micah 5.2?
Hi Nick
Someone called “He” came from eternity to be birthed in Bethlehem,
that “He” is “the Spirit of Christ” – when are you going to get that?____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Jews and even Herod understood it to mean the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
He was, but you find some deeper mystical meaning?
Today in the city of David….
Lookup the meaning of the word ‘today’ because you say it wasn’t that day, but some decades later.
Scripture is right Nick and best to crucify our own understanding that differs.
Hi T8,
Yes the Messiah was born in Bethlehem.
The one who was made both Lord and Christ was born there.
T8…O REALLY, then why did he recieve the holy spirit later at the Jordan, it decended down on him as a dove and abided on him. Tell us why did he no mircales till after that happened, and why was he sent after he recieved the spirit i to the wilderness to be tempted and “then” sent out into the world to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God.
Seening as you believe he was aleady the missiah or anointed one before he was “actually” anointed with the holy spirit by GOD THE FATHER, at the Jordan river. Show us scriptural proofs of the anointing taken plac before the Jordan river anointing.
All words pertaining to a messiah, are directed at human beings being anointed by God. Moses said Jesus would be like him, he was a anointed prophet of God, so was Jesus. But not at his or Jesus’ birth, They were anointed later, even though that was their destiny at birth.
Your false understanding of Jesus preexisting his birth has clouded you mind on this T8.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
T8…O REALLY, then why did he recieve the holy spirit later at the Jordan, it decended down on him as a dove and abided on him.
Hi Gene,
To fulfill the name “Immanuel” that was given to Christ, which means “God with us”.
“The Word” became flesh and dwelt among us – this happened at Jordan (John 1:14)____________
God bless
Ed JHi All,
Matt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Me: Christ asked a very simple question that had a very simple answer. But only the spirit of God could reveal the answer. Isn’t it so today? Peter believed that Christ was the literal son of God.
Matt 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread…6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Me: The devil knew the Messiah was the son of God.
Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. 41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Me: John the baptize perceived the son of God in the womb of his mother. John perceived the human mind and heart of Christ with the holy spirit in it—a direct copy of the Almighty.
Hi All,
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: Click on the link below: Then click on 1096 on the second line.
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Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Me: The spirit of God became one with flesh, just like Adam became one with Eve an Eve became one with Adam.
1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Me: God became head of Christ when the mind of God through the spirit of God became one with the mind of the man Christ.
How could the Messiah be full of grace and truth without the holy spirit of God in him? The Messiah had the spirit of God in him from birth, not from Jordan.
Hi All,
The mind of Christ had only the spirit of God in his heart and mind, not a human spirit. The Messiah, a human, was the son of God from birth.
Hi All,
The mind of Christ had only the spirit of God in his heart and mind, not a human spirit. The Messiah, a human, was the son of God from birth.
Hi TruthComber,
Are you saying Christ was not born with the spirit of Christ – as his own spirit?
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God bless
Ed JGood Morning All,
Things just don’t add up as many speak on this thread.
Jesus reads from Isaiah 42, he recognizes that he is the one whom “God would not give His glory to any other”. That glory being spoken of is described as what John speaks of in 3:34, having been given God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus proclaims the prophet’s words are fulfilled and speaks the purpose for his anointing of God’s Spirit, to be SENT out into the world to preach, to heal, to set liberty.
In that same passage that Jesus quoted from we are told of a new covenant as well. Paul speaks of this covenant, “10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”
God remembers their unrighteousness and their sins no more He does this because a human died on the cross paying the penalty for their sins, wiping them clean. God remembers their iniquities no more, because if God can take a human being with weak mortal flesh and call him in righteousness, keep him in His ways, to follow His will, He can surely call others into righteousness. This is why Paul also teaches us of two Adams, and how we were born like the first, and will be made into the last Adam, described as a resurrected human being having his spirit quickened, or rather brought to life again.
Jesus is clearly identified not as pre-existing in this passage from Isaiah, but as being a human servant, He is God’s elect, one from out of the people. God proclaims that Jesus is certainly part of God’s creation within EARTH. Jesus is one of the people of whom He giveth breath and a spirit to to walk therein. Then we are told that God CALLS this elected servant into righteousness, saying He will hold his hand, and will keep him for a covenant of the people. God did not send down a pre-existing son, there is no such hint in Isaiah 42, the opposite is what we are being told. God sent out an anointed human being into the world, and that which was sent CAME from God, his anointing and his mission came down from heaven, he became the bread from heaven, that those that eat his words, which were God’s words not his own, and believe in them would receive eternal life. Before this servant existed, God gave the prophet Isaiah this knowledge of the future, and it does not contain sending down a god, or a firstborn spirit being, it speaks of a human servant that would establish a new covenant fulfilled by this servant’s anointing, his death and his resurrection into glory, into the last Adam, a heavenly man.
Micah 5: 2 And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity.
The ONE who COMETH forth is AMONG the chiefs of Judah. His comings forth are from the days of antiquity. The coming forth is from the days of antiquity. What does this chief of Judah come forth to do? He cometh forth to be anointed by God’s Spirit, to preach and heal, to die, and to be resurrected, to be a covenant to save people, to bring eternal life, which we are told was a promise that existed before the world began. The COMING forth is not of an immortal person who became a human identified as a chief of Judah. The coming forth is the promise of eternal life that existed in the eternal God before He made the world. The plan of God before He even brought Adam up from out of the earth, was to bring His creation of humans into eternal life. The coming forth that existed since the days of antiquity, was a human that would come forth to bring the promise of eternal life. The COMING FORTH is not of a god to become a man, or a spirit son to be a man, it is of a man of the tribe of Judah who will bring eternal life. This is how when you read a passage in view of pre-existence you destroy the message.
Jesus does not proclaim in Luke 4 that he pre-existed, he proclaims he is the human servant, an elected human from among the people of God’s creation, who the Creator of the earth gave breath and a spirit to walk therein, and then was ANOINTED with God’s Spirit to be sent out into the world to fulfill the new covenant.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
John 3:34 because the one whom God SENT speaks God’s words. For God does not GIVE him the Spirit in limited degree —
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
At the river Jordan the truth that was to be fulfilled that God had spoken to Isaiah, became flesh. God’s WORD said that a human servant would be anointed by God and that a new covenant would be fulfilled, that word of God became flesh. In a weak mortal able to die God’s WORD of an anointing (christos) with God’s Spirit occurred in flesh, making Jesus THE CHRIST having been anointed (christos).
WHO is the SON?
Read carefully,
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.
Paul is speaking having the knowledge that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. Knowing this he speaks of the gospel declaring that it was promised beforehand to the prophets, regarding Jesus who now sits at God’s right hand. He teaches us that this Jesus currently in heaven was indeed a son of David, but by the Holy Spirit he was APPOINTED the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead. Through him, this Jesus that now sits at God’s right hand, we receive grace. Through him, the one who died on the cross and now sits at God’s right hand, the promise of eternal life that was made before our Creator made Adam, has been fulfilled in this man.
Knowing this read Colossians 1 in the right CONTEXT.
The Son in the below passage is the Son of David that sits at God’s right hand that was resurrected from the dead made the firstborn from the dead, who was appointed a Son of God BY the HOLY SPIRIT.
Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
The Son being spoken of above is not in reference to a pre-existing son, but the Jesus that sits at God’s right hand.
This Son is the image of the invisible God, the Jesus who had been PERFECTED by that which he suffered, and that which he suffered was because he was a mortal of weak flesh just like we are. This firstborn from the dead is appointed ruler over all of God’s creation, given authority to perform God’s will.
I cannot stress this enough, Jesus was PERFECTED, he proved his faith in God going to the cross, he overcame the fear of death, that man has all his lifetime been subjected to and thus has been in chains. He overcame the will of man and stayed true in following the full will of God. A human accomplished this through the anointing of God’s Spirit. Knowing that God created the world to bring mankind into eternal life, knowing that the prophet said God would accomplish this by a human servant of whom He would call, who would be elected by God, we know for certain that if God promised eternal life before the world began His plan before the world began existed in 2 Adams, not in a pre-existing son. The Son that sits at God’s right hand is identified as the seed of David, he is identified as the elected human being, all things were made for and through the foreknowledge of what God could accomplish in a man, that would be known as the Last Adam.
Read it again, which son is verse 15 speaking of? The one the prophets spoke about, the one that was perfected and appointed a Son by God’s Spirit, who sits at God’s right hand now, or is Paul speaking of a pre-existing son? Were all things created for a man that was perfected, of whom we are told we are to be made just like he is, and inherit the kingdom also, or we are to read the below passage believing that Paul is speaking of a spirit son who already was of the image of the invisible God, and God made the world for the being IMAGE.
1 Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The glory of Christ, is glory of a man who was anointed with God’s Spirit and what that anointing produced in a human being. The glory of Christ is not that a god came down to earth, or that a pre-existing spirit entered a fetus. The one who is the image of God is not something that pre-existed, but is the man that was perfected by God through the anointing of His Spirit, and suffered through which he proved his faith and was thus perfected.
“I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
God didn’t GIVE HIS GLORY to a pre-existing son, He gave His glory, His Spirit without measure to the MAN of the tribe of Judah. CHRIST represents the anointed man, and it is by such he has glory, and it is by such that he is the image of God.
Pre-existing believers, you are turning God’s glory that He accomplished in a son of Adam, into shame. You trample on the very meaning of the word CHRIST and define Christ as a pre-existing son, not as the man anointed. You change passages that are speaking of the man that sits at God’s right hand, to be not speaking about the man that died for you and was resurrected, but you apply passages to be speaking of a pre-existing son, and by such you destroy the gospel, because you have changed Jesus into a FALSE IMAGE.
Does anyone recognize the profound difference between reading The Son in verse 15 as an IMAGE of a spirit that existed before the earth was made, verses an IMAGE of a human being whom God perfected and had given eternal life to?
How about the difference between believing that God created the earth for a spirit son, or believing that God created the earth for man of whom God was mindful of?
1 Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Psalms 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. 9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
The one who brings the rising of the dead is through a MAN. The Christ here is a MAN.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
God made the earth for MAN, God was mindful of man, His plan was to bring mankind into eternal life. God made MAN to have dominion over the works of His hands. God DID NOT make a pre-existing spirit to have dominion over His hands, but a MAN. God made the earth through and for a MAN that was to be made into God’s image, not just him alone, but that he would be the firstborn of many brethren from the dead. The saints are to be kings and priests, they too are to judge and rule over the earth for they also will be of the image of God inheriting the kingdom.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
You think JESUS was IGNORANT of Isaiah’s words? That Jesus was ignorant of the plan of God that existed before God made the world? Jesus is not speaking of the words of the prophets, but is saying that he pre-existed? NO! Jesus is speaking from knowledge from the word of God. Jesus knew that which David spoke of, that God was going to crown a MAN with glory and honor.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
The GLORY that Jesus has NOW is the glory of a MAN who was raised from the dead, having been perfected through the work of God’s Spirit and now has eternal life. God DECLARED the END FROM the BEGINNING. This GLORY that Jesus NOW has, is that which God made the world through and for!!
Before Jesus ascended to heaven people were witnesses of his glory they saw him and heard him speak, he declared he was not a spirit, he was the Son of Man that became the Son of God who upon rising from the dead had been appointed heir of all things. As David said, the one that would have dominion over the works of His hands, was a man that God was mindful of.
Don’t forget the words of David and other prophets when you read Hebrews 1. Apply them, instead of a man made doctrine.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Recall David’s words that man was made lower than the angels but then was crowned with glory being MADE better than the angels. David said that this man that God was mindful of was GIVEN dominion over the works of God’s hands. He was not given this because he pre-existed with glory, he was given this because as a MAN made perfect he was able to purged our sins.
Jesus was appointed heir of all things because of that which he was MADE into, he was not appointed heir of all things because he pre-existed already having a glory where he had been given all things.
Nowhere in scripture is the Son of God to be read in the context of representing a pre-existing spirit son. The Son of God is ALWAYS in context of the MAN that God was mindful of, who He anointed His Spirit with, who God then sent out into the world, and then gave over to death in order that our sins should be forgiven. The Son of God is ALWAYS in the context of a MAN who had been perfected through suffering and was then crowned with glory and honor being given eternal life and dominion over the works of God’s hands.
Hi TC,
AFTER Jesus was anointed at the river, and was SENT out into the world to preach and heal, He was THEN called and recognized as a son of God by the people. Israel had been waiting for a MESSIAH, one anointed out of their brethren, they knew he was to be of the seed of David, and that God said that of this person’s seed God would be a Father to him. Also if they knew additional words of the prophets they knew that God was going to poor His Spirit on him and he would speak and perform the works of God. THEY RECOGNIZED JESUS as THE SON of GOD BECAUSE of THIS!!!!
Let this seep into your brain TC, they recognized Jesus as the son of God because he was the son of David who all of a sudden began teaching and performing signs and miracles, just after he had been anointed. He was the fulfillment of prophecy, their Messiah that was promised to come, the son of David that God said He would be a Father to.
Jesus is a Son of man, and then he becomes the Son of God.
JOHN Luke 1:80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
Jesus Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
The people DID NOT call Jesus the Son of God because of his birth, but because of his anointed powers he received at the river.
Numerous times in the gospels the people call Jesus the son of David BECAUSE the son of David was to be anointed and be the Son of God, who through that anointing he would have the power to heal.
Luke 18:38 And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me.39 And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me. 40 And Jesus stood, and commanded him to be brought unto him: and when he was come near, he asked him, 41 Saying,What wilt thou that I shall do unto thee? And he said, Lord, that I may receive my sight. 42 And Jesus said unto him,Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
This blind man received sight because of his FAITH, what did this man believe in regards to the Son of David??
Isaiah 46:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
This calling to righteousness, this calling to speak God’s words and to heal, Jesus himself says in Luke 4 that it occurred through his anointing at the river. This is when the Son was made and SENT out into the world. The infant wasn’t sent out into the world. Upon Jesus being sent out and performing God’s will, he was called the Messiah, he was identified as the seed of David who God had promised He would be a Father to, it is THEN he was called the Son of God.
The blind man believed that Jesus was the Son of God because a spirit being was morphed into a fetus??? NO, this blind man had FAITH that Jesus was the promised Messiah of the seed of David whom God had anointed at the river with power able to restore his sight.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
If Jesus were a direct copy of the Almighty then he would have been able to do everything himself, he would have not said that he was not good, that only God is good.
The MORTAL MAN JESUS was not the direct copy of the Almighty, the Almighty cannot be tempted, the Almighty cannot die. What on earth are you talking about TC??
Jesus is now a MAN with eternal life, he is the image of God because his character is perfect, it is godly, and he has a body that is no longer weak and able to tempt him.
When Jesus spoke the words of God he was not able to speak of his own he said, everything he said came to him because God gave it to him to say, this is what was meant by the Spirit of God being upon him. When Moses spoke the words of God and likewise other prophets they too had God in them speaking through them. But unlike Moses, Jesus was anointed at the river being given God’s Spirit without measure.
Jesus is one with God because Jesus follows God’s will, he walks where God leads him.
The WORD of God became flesh, the word of God told by the prophets was that a man would be anointed with His Spirit and be sent out to dwell among us and speak God’s words and perform miracles.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
When Jesus was born and walked around as an infant were the eyes of the people upon him, were they witnessing the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth?? lol, NO!!
When Jesus was anointed with God’s Spirit he was THEN BEGOTTEN of the Father, and it was THEN that the people witnessed all of his signs and miracles and God’s words of truth. This is when the people professed him to be the Messiah, the Son of David, known as the anointed one, the one begotten by the Father.
Jodi….right on sis, if only more could understand this truth.
Peace and love to you and yours …..gene
Gene, thank you brother!
Just finished a bible study reviewing a few things,
For All,
Isaiah 7 teaches the purpose of the virgin birth, it was for a sign to the house of David, as at the time of Isaiah the house of David felt threatened to be taken over by the house of Ephraim. God said that it would not stand. He gave a sign so that the house of David would believe Him, that sign was the birth of a child who would be called by the name Immanuel, and he who would know to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Matthew 1: 1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:… 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
Jesus was named Immanuel because of what God would accomplish through him, it had nothing to do with him being born part of a trinity god, or being born a pre-existing spirit, or being born half human half god, or what he was or was not at his conception. It had everything to do with the fact that Jesus would grow up being a servant that God was well pleased with, and that God would choose him out of the people, of which God knew before He even made the world that He would choose him, and He chose this servant to be anointed with His Spirit so that through him people would believe in God. God shows the people that through Jesus THE CHRIST (the anointed one), that He does love us, that He does give us mercy, that He has planned for us that which He promised from the beginning, eternal life.
1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
Romans 4:18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God.
Isaiah 42:1 “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. 2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. 3 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; 4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the islands will put their hope.” 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
Romans 8:12-25 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh– for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Matthew 3: 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Luke 4: 1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness.
Jesus is the Son of God BECAUSE he is THE CHRIST (anointed), he became the Son of God at his anointing at the river.
Mathew 16: 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 26: 63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
John 11: 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world
John 20: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Ephesians 4: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
If one reads the Gospels they will find that Jesus is NOT called the Son of God by the people until AFTER his baptism.
Before the anointing of Jesus he was not able to perform signs and miracles. As stated before, the reason he is called the Son of God was BECAUSE of his anointed powers, not because of what he was or was not at his conception!
Matthew 4: 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 27: 40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
John 1: 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
He was also recognized as the Son of God as being seen as the King of Israel, a prophecy that of the seed of David, there would come a king of kings who would be a savior. Also, back to Isaiah 7, through Immanuel there would be an eternal king, the house of David should not lack faith in God, as He would cause the house of David to stand.
Nowhere in scripture is Jesus identified as the Son of God because of what he was or was not at his conception.
Good Morning All,
Things just don’t add up as many speak on this thread.
Micah 5: 2 And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity.
Hi Jodi,
Why do you post corruption? Here is the Hebrew…
וְאַתָּה בֵּית-לֶחֶם אֶפְרָתָה, צָעִיר לִהְיוֹת בְּאַלְפֵי יְהוּדָה–מִמְּךָ לִי יֵצֵא, לִהְיוֹת מוֹשֵׁל בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל; וּמוֹצָאֹתָיו מִקֶּדֶם, מִימֵי עוֹלָם
And here is google translate (an unbiased computer translation)…
And you are the house of bread of Ephratah, young to be in the thousands of Yahudah – from Me, I will come out, to be ruled by Israel; And finds it before, from the days of eternity
Do you see the word “ETERNITY” ???????
Here is what our English bible says…
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)
From eternity to Bethlehem!
Ed J,
The COMING FORTH of the one that would be ruler in Israel is from ancient days, not the person from ancient days, but the coming forth of that person came from ancient days. I gave the scripture that said that God declared the end before the beginning even occurred. Think about that for a moment!! The one that sits at the right hand of God is a MAN, of the seed of David, he is a perfected human being. His coming forth existed in the eternal God, it existed before He even formed heaven and earth. The plan of Jesus, his coming forth to be ruler of Israel was with God before He made the world.
His going forth, not him, the plan of him.
Micha 5:2 is revealing that of Bethlehem out of Judah, the savior comes, of which was a plan of God who knew the end before the beginning.
Hi Ed J,
Minor details in this passage make a difference.
As you know, Micah is giving a prophecy. He is speaking of a FUTURE ruler over Israel that would come, and he would not just be from the tribe of Judah but more specifically from the people of Bethlehem. This MAN that will come forth in the future out of Bethlehem, was not a new thing to God as He revealed it to Micah, the plan of this human out of Bethlehem to come forth and be a leader over Israel existed before Micah, that is precisely what Micah is telling us. The coming forth of the MAN Jesus, existed from ancient times, it existed before the beginning of creation, it existed within the plan of our eternal Father.
Keep reading Micah 5,
3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. 4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. 5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
The coming forth is of a MAN, not a spirit son morphing into a fetus, and this coming forth of this MAN was from ancient days, from our eternal God before He made the world, because God established the END before He produced the beginning.
This passage is not saying that Jesus existed before eternally as some other sort of being and then became a fetus.
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