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Nick,
I walked through it and pointed out why your teaching is wrong. It is the same type of argument Jesus used with the Sadducee and you answer you are no different than an unrepentant Sadducee.
If you were wise you would have instead shown where 1) I erred and your teaching is not broken or 2) admitted you were wrong 3) stated you believed I was wrong based on other things Scripture states but you did not see where I am wrong.
All I was answering is your claim that “Trying to divide the Spirit into various anointing is folly”. A claim that you fail to actually support with Scripture and which I had proved broke Scripture.
What that tells me is you hold so hard to your teaching you not longer care when it disagrees with what Scripture actually says. I see it as you reaching one of your points of irrationality where in your grief for your doctrine you deny the truth of Scripture. Repent or you too will perish.
Nick,
You are just dropping words like “opinion” as malevolent attacks on arguments you disagree with. That action brands you as a false witness. You do not need to do that. What you need to do is be quiet and learn. I tested your claim that “Trying to divide the Spirit into various anointing is folly” and found it false as clearly God sends his Spirit to do more than one thing. You are well aware your claim was not based on Scripture because you did not even try to support it but instead attempt to malign my words by stating they are an opinion.
Hi KW,
You believe that the man Jesus was anointed before birth but offer no evidence except that his conception was by the Spirit.
You cannot explain why no manifestations were evident and recorded till he was 30 years old.
If you have real evidence please present it otherwise it remains your opinion.
Hi KW,
Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.\ and he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with him.
But your version has a fetus being anointed and later given power
Write your own bible
Nick,
I am not offering up evidence that Jesus’ conception is of the Spirit but rather I am using that as evidence in an inductive argument. Inductive when based on solid truth results in solid truths if the reasoning is valid. There are certainly to misuse it but that relies on misusing the evidence as misusing the reasoning is invalid reasoning. That is why when Jesus used it to disprove the Saducees claim he stated Scripture could not be broken.
Do you believe he was just stating an opinion?
Jesus was mature in the Spirit when he used that reasoning but I am not currently mature so unlike him I do make mistakes based on the desires of the flesh. If you see one then please let me know. As it is you have not pointed out while using Scripture as evidence why I am in error.
In this case I was not directly pointing out the reasons why Scripture supports the idea Jesus was born of Spirit previous to being immersed by John. Instead I was disproving your objection to that occurring separately from him being anointed by the Spirit to preach the gospel and do miracles.
Nick,
But your version has a fetus being anointed and later given power
I have seen a few places where anointed is used to mean born of Spirit so I will give you that use of it but there is no reason God would not send his Spirit to anoint Jesus with the Spirit to write his Law on Jesus’ heart and mind at one point and then later send his Spirit to grant Jesus the gifts of the of preaching and the power of miracles.
Jesus did good previous to, during, and after his baptism by John.
In short that passage from Acts does not disagree with what has been revealed to me nor is it one that is evidence of what was revealed to me.
Note: I am not sure how Peter is using the word power but I am sure it is irrelevant to what has been revealed to me.
hi
it is strange that so many ignores 50 % or more of the scriptures just to support their views ,and then figure that in doing so they serve God in truth ?I have no idea where they get their view of how to be saved with this kind of view ,
they are so preconceived in their mind that their ears are blocked to good reason and truth of God
beat me ,shake my head ,unbelievable,but this is what I see
Hi KW,
Why do you believe your opinions have any validity?
You are so tied up in your own reasoning garnished with justifications and rationalisations the truth gets lost.
hi Nick
You are so tied up in your own reasoning garnished with justifications and rationalisations the truth gets lost.
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you are the most pro in the action you claim have ;you reject more scriptures than there are in the entire bible go figure
you don’t believe the words that Jesus spoke ,nor his apostles ,you use your code of deceit to prove that what scriptures says is not to be trusted for you have known how to interpret all the scriptures in the bible and so no need to read the scriptures we should only read your lips ,
how insane can someone be by believing the unbeliever ;
Mt 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.(the scriptures/scrolls)
Nick,
You are falling back on spewing nonsense because you hold on to what is false. Seek support in Scripture for your teaching and do not ignore those passages that speak against it.
We have established.
1) Jesus was anointed to preach the gospel and do miracles.
2) That anointing was most likely done at the Jordon River.
3) God can sent the Spirit out to do various mission such as giving gifts, renewing the human Spirit, and creating.
4) Jesus was born of Spirit.
5) Jesus taught is that we would know them by their fruits.
6) Jesus bore the fruits of the Spirit his whole life.
7) Jesus was tempted as is common to humanity.These make the case using deductive reasoning that Jesus had the Spirit from the the time he was first tempted onward.
Are you afraid to reason with God through his Writings?
Terrarica,
- Scriptural fact- Luke 4:18-19
- Inductive reasoning based of lack of evidence in Scripture of it occurring earlier. In the desert he was tempted by Satan to perform miracles so there evidence soon afterwards. It is not a certain case as lack of evidence does not prove anything for certain.
- Inductive reasoning based on the fact God sends his Word out on various missions (Isaiah 55:10-11) and the observation that he sends the Spirit out for different mission like creation (Matthew 1:20, renewal (bringing to unity) of the Spirit (John 3:6), gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4). Given the observations are true then it foll the claim is a Scriptural fact.
- Inductive reasoning: He was given the Spirit of God. (Matthew 12:18) Since there is some doubt of what instance it is speaking additional evidence is that a human must be born of Spirit in order to be saved from Gehenna. Technically the angels were created with the new Spirit.
- Bad grammar on my part but aside from that another Scriptural fact. (Matthew 7:16)
- Scriptural fact: (Hebrews 4:15).
- Scriptural fact (Hebrew 4:14).
kerwin
1) Jesus was anointed to preach the gospel and do miracles.Scriptural fact- Luke 4:18-19
Lk 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
Lk 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”;your scriptures is only addressed to the Jews ;but Jesus sacrifice was done to /for all men ;
this is not totally correct according to ;Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”
Lk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himselfand;;Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.you have mist the most important reasons for Jesus to come ,why ?
HI kERWIN
2) That anointing was most likely done at the Jordon River.
2;Inductive reasoning based of lack of evidence in Scripture of it occurring earlier. In the desert he was tempted by Satan to perform miracles so there evidence soon afterwards. It is not a certain case as lack of evidence does not prove anything for certain.=================================================================================================================================
Lk 2:28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:
Lk 2:29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you now dismiss your servant in peace.
Lk 2:30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
Lk 2:31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
Lk 2:32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles
and for glory to your people Israel.”Lk 2:8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.
Lk 2:9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.
Lk 2:10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.
Lk 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ/anointed one , the Lord.Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.the above scriptures description of events does come far before the event on the Jordan river ,
but you seem to ignore this and go with your false claims ,
kerwin
3)God can sent the Spirit out to do various mission such as giving gifts, renewing the human Spirit, and creating.
3;Inductive reasoning based on the fact God sends his Word out on various missions (Isaiah 55:10-11) and the observation that he sends the Spirit out for different mission like creation (Matthew 1:20, renewal (bringing to unity) of the Spirit (John 3:6), gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4). Given the observations are true then it foll the claim is a Scriptural fact.Isa 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.how is the above a spirit of God ? you seem not to understand when a king gives orders they has to be obeyed and so fulfilled ,it got nothing to do with the spirit of the king unless you try to confuse people ?
((Matthew 1:20, renewal (bringing to unity))
Mt 1:20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.are you not inventing your own story ?
1Co 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit/truth of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.of truth
1Co 12:4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit/truth.you seem lost for you seem not have really study the scriptures truth and so claim all sort of ignorance around you ,
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit/truth gives birth to spirit (of truth.)
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”please do not take conclusions on your own lack of understanding and knowledge ;but study the entire scriptures and make sure you have it right before you start to claim this and that ,for you would be wrong most of the time ,
study the scriptures in truth mean believing that what is written is the very truth of God and all it says must be understood as written and not interpreted by our mind for our purpose ,
Terricca…. LUK 1:31-35…..USES THE TERMS “WILL BE” A FUTURE TENSE EXPRESSION,BUT YOU BELIEVE HE ALREADY WAS A PREEXISTENT PERSON, IT APPEARS EVEN THE ANGLE DID NOT “previously’ KNOW HIM either. Surely ifhe had a prexisting life the angel would have already known him, so why use words as HE SHALL OR WILL “BE” THESE THINGS?
HOW IS WAS HE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER FATHER, RATHER THEN GOD, LIKE THE ANGEL SAID ,HIS FATHER DAVID. CAN a preexistent being have, TWO FATHERS.? AND IFHECANATWHICH POINT DOES THIS ACCURE?, we know can have two fathers our physical fathers and our heacenly FATHER, SO WECAN BEBORN FROM EARTH AS WELL AS HEAVEN. QUESTION is when does this all take place.
Why would God the Father even want to make a human being who alread preexisted in the first place, what would that show mankind ?, “NOTHING”, all those who believe Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth have bought into the biggest “LIE”, EVER TOLD. You have not “yet” come to see that.
You “unknowingly” ARE robbing GOD THE FATHER, and Pay JESUS, SOMETHING JESUS NEVER DID. Come out of those false teachings brother.
peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi KW,
“Jesus bore the fruits of the Spirit his whole life”
Please show us what fruits he bore in the womb, in the manger, in his childhood and early adult life.
gal 5
The fruit of the Spirit is
love
joy
peace
patience
kindness
goodness
faithfulness
gentleness
self control
Surely if you believe what you wrote you can show all of these things from scripture?
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