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Nick,
Yes, logical reasoning without the Spirit only gives you an unbroken teaching not a true one. Even if it were to give you a true one it would be of no use unless you believed. Jesus did not us logical reasoning without the Spirit. The Pharisees had reasoned there is a resurrection of the dead and yet many of them did not believe.
Hi t8,
heb 10.5f
Therefore when Christ came into the world, he said
‘Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but A BODY YOU PREPARED FOR ME;
with burnt offerings and sin offerings You were not pleased.
Then I said’ Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-I have come to do your will, O God’
The body of Jesus was prepared for Christ.
Yes Nick,
Read again the post you made…
When Christ came into the world …the body of Jesus was prepared for Christ
Too bad this is not what you actually believe,
but instead you believe it to be this way:When Jesus was baptized at Jordan …the body of Jesus was prepared for Christ
Hi Ed,
Yes the body of the sinless man, Jesus of Nazareth, was ready to be anointed at the Jordan.
He did not require the waters of forgiveness as there was nothing to forgive.
He had perfectly fulfilled the Law proving it possible and fair.
Then the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.
Hi t8,
Is it OK to say JESUS where scripture says JESUS CHRIST?
Another example of a non-issue.
I have not said anything that resembles this.
I teach from scripture alone.
Jesus said: “Before Abraham, I am”.
‘Jesus said’ in this case. Who am I to argue with scripture.
No need to ask me if it is okay. I am just quoting scripture as it is.
Hi t8,
Yes if you do not appreciate the difference the anointing makes to a man you will trivialise this matter.
Let your words mirror scripture.
Teach what resonates with scriptural truth.
Expressing your own ideas is only spiritual when this is so.
Jesus said: “Before Abraham, I am”. Your view about Jesus whole existence doesn’t match Jesus words here. You seem to teach your own idea with this subject.
I am yet to be convinced that your teaching correctly and I can be convinced if it is true. I don’t mind changing my mind on a matter, but it has to be proven using scripture, not your own ideas. Or at least your ideas need to match scripture in the least.
T8….That scripture does not say he “existed” as a sentinal being before Abraham now does it? , you are forcing the text to say that. It simply says “I AM”, but That statement DOES NOT define the sense in which the “I AM” is being expressed now does it? why be as those PHARISEES were and take it a wrong way also. Did not Jesus say he only spoke to them in parables, so they would not understand what he meant? THERE IS NO RECORD IN ANY SCRIPTURES OF ANY “ACTIVITE” OF JESUS BEFORE HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH. That alone should make you question the whole idea of Jesus preexisted, not to mention a whole host of other reasons for not believing he preexisted, his berth on this earth. IMO
peace and love to you and yours ………gene
Hi t8,
When scripture says JESUS CHRIST-the ANOINTED Jesus-it does so for a reason – which you should not trivialise.
THERE IS NO RECORD IN ANY SCRIPTURES OF ANY “ACTIVITE” OF JESUS BEFORE HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH.
Hi Gene,
Is 1Cor.10:4 missing from your bible?
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”t8,
Jesus said: “Before Abraham, I am”. Your view about Jesus whole existence doesn’t match Jesus words here. You seem to teach your own idea with this subject.
Words out of context are wonders.
For example.
As I dashed home I grew fearful as a man in a mask blocked my path.
It is a reference to baseball which is a sport that is in the United States and Japan but I am not sure about other countries. Without context it can be assumed to be a report a thug blocking someone as they are dashing to their home.
I am before Abraham simply means I am in front of Abraham. Did you get the wording wrong?
“when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
(Heb 1:6)Hi Nick,
How do explain away this verse?
Hi Nick,
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
t8,
I believe there is an English language version that uses the words but it is not a very good translation. “was made” or “became” is probably better though still vague. In Koine Greek it is ever more vague. Considering Jesus was known for choosing not to speak clearly it even makes figuring out what he means harder as you have to determine whether or not he is speaking metaphorically or plainly. He is also know for ignoring the words of those that precede if they do not further his point.
Lets assume he is speaking clearly.
1) Abraham was made in his mother’s womb and out of it as well as he developed to an adult.
2) Abraham was made the Father of many nations.Which “was made” was Jesus addressing?
Was he addressing the words of the Jews in the previous sentence or was he ignoring them and continuing on with his earlier point?
There is also the “I am” which could also be translated “I have been”
Of course you choose to believe these words are easy to understand but I know better.
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