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AndrewAd,
Of course Jesus loves with an everlasting love as he chose to lay his life down for the whole world but those who teach a Christ that preexists teach another Christ than the one Paul, Peter, and other apostles teach. If they do not repent then they may be told by the one at the gate that he never knew them. Should we not watch are life and doctrines to find the truth?
AndrewAD……So where is God the Fther”s spirit in all this, has he been cast out and now only JESUS’ spirit, you sound like Nick who believes the spirit of Christ is of JESUS.
BUT SCRIPTURE SAYS , “IF THE SPIRIT OF “HIM”, WHO RAISED CHRIST (the anointed man) JESUS, FROM THE GRAVE ABIDES IN YOU, HE WILL ALSO QUICKEN (bring to life) YOUR “MORTAL” (dead) BODY”. ”
So is it Jesus’ spirit or God the Fathers Spirit? Is the lord (adoni) JESUS THE SPIRIT, OR IS IT THE LORD (ADONIA) OUR GOD’S SPIRIT? Which is “IN” the man Jesus?
peace and love to you and yours………..gene
Dear Kerwin,
It is you who deny what the saints have spoken; that is St Paul,Peter,and John.They all speak of the preexistence of Christ and this you well know but you seek to deny it because of your dogma and preexistent bias. At the pearly gate you will not be questioned of this belief but of thy faith in Christ and of thy works for him.
Christ knows your faith and sacrifice for him but seeking argument for argument sake is not needed to be saved.
Nick, we can be one with God, Jesus, and each other. We can all be one in spirit, not flesh.
If I cam one with a brother in Christ, then does that mean that we are both the Holy Spirit? If God is one with his son and the son one with him, then does that make them both the Holy Spirit. If I am one with Jesus Christ, then are we the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. God is spirit, and God is holy.
You have an ally in LU with your view Nick, you are not alone. While you say that both are the Spirit and she says that both are God, then you are but one step away from her doctrine. You only need admit that the Spirit is God and you are with her.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Hi t8,
You seem to have trouble discerning the Spirit of the Son from the Spirit of the Father.
Both are active in believers in the one Holy Spirit and we can commune with them 1 jn 1.3 2jn 9, Jn 14.21
So while we are a body, soul, and spirit, and our spirit bears witness with God’s spirit that we are the sons of God, then is Jesus less than us.
You are basically saying, that Jesus is only a body and soul, and he doesn’t have his own spirit. Rather the Spirit of God was in him only.
But John teaches that the sons of God know they are sons because God’s Spirit bears witness with their own spirit.
Jesus doesn’t have his own spirit? He is one part less than us then?
I am pretty sure I made the same arguments with LU. I only need copy and paste them it seems.
Hi t8,
We are one in Spirit with the Father and the Son and the prophets and saints of old.
To share the Spirit of Christ is not to be Christ but a part of his Spiritual body.
When we die and lose our spirit and old body the unity is complete forever.
Hi t8,
Jesus is just body and soul and thus less than us?
Show me where I said anything like that.
It seems that you do not read what we write.
Hi t8,
For the sake of your memory
Jesus was like us-body soul and spirit.
He died on Calvary and his own spirit left him.
Yet alive in the anointing Spirit he visited the spirits in prison.
Then he was raised alive on the third day and taken up after further ministry to be with his God.
Nick,
Logic is not t8’s error. His error is that he uses unsound premises in his arguments. In doing so he builds his house on sand.
He reads certain Scripture with the presumption, i.e. unsound premise, that Jesus is speaking of his “human-angelic” origins when instead he speaking of his Spiritual origins.
Satan does not come from above though his origins are there and before his fall he did come from above. In other words he lost his Spiritual place in heaven by his own actions.
For example, Revelations 12:8 is talking spiritual and not physical though many believe it is the later.
Scripture teach teaches is that as for his flesh, aka humanity, Jesus is the chief descendant of King David. As for his Spirit he is the chief son of God. To attribute the Spiritual to that which is human is an unsound claim.
Nick,
When you insist that God does not return the spirit to the resurrected your are speaking what is not written, either directly or indirectly. You are doing no different than Gene when he insists spirit equals intellect.
AndrewAd,
Dear Kerwin,
It is you who deny what the saints have spoken; that is St Paul,Peter,and John.They all speak of the preexistence of Christ and this you well know but you seek to deny it because of your dogma and preexistent bias. At the pearly gate you will not be questioned of this belief but of thy faith in Christ and of thy works for him.
Christ knows your faith and sacrifice for him but seeking argument for argument sake is not needed to be saved.
All those that believe are saints but they do not address one another by honorifics, even the honorifics the Hebrews had used before. Peter refereed to Paul as brother and Paul refereed to Peter in the same way. Neither used honorifics. Who falsely taught you to use Saint before their names?
If they teach you one thing that is false then they are not creditable teachers. At best they are fellow students that have more to learn and should not speak boldly of things that they know not.
We are taught to watch our life and doctrine. Be careful.
Hi GB,
I believe what?
Nonsense
The Word was with God and was God.
Then the Word was made flesh not in an infant but in the man Jesus
Hi T8,
You say
“The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. God is spirit, and God is holy.”
And when Jesus said I will come back to you what did he mean?
The Spirit of Christ returned at Pentecost.
NOW the lord is the Spirit.
Nick,
Hi KW,
No it is not written.
But you think we should presume it?
Do you not understand ECCl 12?
We need the Spirit of Eternal life to survive once our spirit leaves
It is the unity of the Spirit as in the Spirit of God. Ephesians 4:3-7 even teaches us how many Spirits there are in the unity of the Spirit; that number is one. Why do you believe it is two?
Hi KW,
Because Jesus Christ taught us about the nature of the One Spirit in Jn 14-17.
Why would you think there are two?
Nick,
I am not claiming there are two Spirits. I believe the Spirit God which is also as the Spirit of Jesus Christ because Jesus is the on man the mediates between God and mankind. That mediation happens through the one Spirit he was given by God.
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