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SF,
Coy for an answer,
Dress it up, made it fancier.
When I asked 'what is Jesus'
You reply with who he is – us!Yes, he's Man and also Spirit
I believe this with all my heart in it
But ain't what I asked, come on now
You answer first then I'll say how.Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 30 2010,13:11) SF,
Coy for an answer,
Dress it up, made it fancier.
When I asked 'what is Jesus'
You reply with who he is – us!Yes, he's Man and also Spirit
I believe this with all my heart in it
But ain't what I asked, come on now
You answer first then I'll say how.
Ja,
do you take me as a fool?
or am i without sense?
shall I be like a lamb and eat dinner with the wolves?
Your question is like a hunters trap for his prey,
You invite me in like lil red riding hood,
But of course your not Grandma!
If you nimble first, than ill bite nextQuote (Baker @ Sep. 30 2010,15:50) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 30 2010,10:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2010,03:43) Shimmer……….Many 'spoke the words of GOD both in the Old Testament as well as in the New . There is no (ONE) Person speaking Gods Words. Jesus was not the one Speaking Gods words in the old Testament, the prophets were speaking them to us. “FOR GOD SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROUGH THE PROPHETS, BUT IN THESE LATTER HE HAS SPOKEN TO US THROUGH A SON. THE SON DID NOT EXIST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT EXCEPT IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD HE WAS PROPHESIED TO COME into existences at the right time through the seed of the women as spoken of in Genesis, as well as the prophet Moses and others. The exclusivity of Jesus is to completely miss the who point of our salvation it moves him away from us , it cause us to not (truly) believe we can come to “the measure of the (fullness) of Christ” as we are told. It is part of the MYSTERY RELIGION that has decieved all Christendom. It is Antichrist Spoken of by John the Apostle.
Shimmer the scripture that say Christ was the Rock that followed the childern in the wilderness is also misunderstood to mean Jesus the man or angle. when in fact it is the SPIRIT OF GOD HIMSELF that is being spoken of there , this Spirit was on all the old leaders of GODS people like Moses and the Seventy elders , Joshua and etc and even the angles who communicated with them also. The Word CHRIST THERE IS CHRISTOS and simply means ANOINTING OR SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD ALONE IS THE ROCK AND THERE IS NO OTHER ROCK BUT HIM. Read where Jesus ask Peter who he was and you will see it is GOD who is the Rock being mentioned there by Jesus.
Shimmer don't fall into trap of the false teachers of Preexistences and Trinitarians, They do not except Jesus as one of them or US, they deny him being a SON OF MAN. They have never produced any proof of MORPHING PROCESS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE they have brought the “LIE” Hook Line and Sinker. They are even though unaware Antichrists.
peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………gene
Gene, if someone like you or Marty believe different on who Jesus was, the scriptures are not clear, as someone once said, you could make scripture say whatever you want to support whatever you believe, however, I have seen you are humble, you dont hurt people, and what seems to others to be 'error' what about the heart ? Doesnt God judge the intention of the heart, and also what we do ? There are people here who disagree with you, but they hurt others, they try to be higher than others, what is more important ?I see things different Gene, but I also agree, because I don't know, so I sit on the fence not knowing for sure (as someone said to me in an abusive pm, “I dont think you know what you believe as it changes from day to day”..and thats only a part of it) well, thats exactly the kind of thing God would not like, God is fair and just and understands our errors, and has patience, and knows the intentions of the heart. I was never confused untill I saw the debates going on here, and saw the true colors of many people.
Shimmer! What do you believe? Is it fair to say that we shoud prove what we believe according to Scriptures? If Jesus said in John 17:5 that He wants the glory back which He had before the world was,do you believe it? Or do you ignore it? If Jesus said that He came down from Heaven to do the will of His father who send Him, do you believe it? Those are two clear Scriptures and I believe them. Along with other that Christ was in existing befoe the world was. The firstborn of all creation….. I know I said all of this before, but t8 is wrong in this, sometimes you have to repeat what is written, or some will walk all over you….
Micah 5:2 says this….the one to be ruler in Israel, Whose going forth have been from of old, From everlasting. He will come again as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS REV. 19:16……..AND WILL RULE WITH A SHARP SWORD AND WILL STRIKE THE NATIONS .etc…….Peace Irene
Irene, yes I believe Jesus pre-existed, He came down from heaven to do the will of his Father who sent him. But I notice people like Gene and Marty have good faith and seem to do no harm to anyone, and it makes me wonder sometimes, Jesus said you will know them by their fruits, they will have love among each other. So sometimes I sit on the fence and think about it. But thats what I was saying to Gene, I believe different, I believe Jesus was sent from heaven, I believe Jesus is the messenger, the son of God, who appeared in many ways in the old Testement and then in the new, obviously he wasnt known as Jesus before, but the word.Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 30 2010,20:06) obviously he wasnt known as Jesus before, but the word.
Hi Shimmer,Why do you and others insist this is obvious?
This is not only “not obvious”, but it is un-Biblical as well!If you add things up correctly, Jesus was always his name as Mike surmises!
Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(the antichrist),
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.The Savior(117) = God The Father(117) (Isaiah 45:21)
Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized
in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”.
Therefore, [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name.
(Psalm 83:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ………..All on earth (DO) Worship HIM (JESUS) as a GOD or Demigod or Morphed being of some kind. The problem is People don't realize who or what the Man of Sin Is, they think it is a real person when in fact it is a False (IMAGE) of Jesus being a God or Demigod of some kind and they replace GOD the Father with the false image. It is the LIE talked about in 2Ths 2, that is Not a real person as you assume it is. That is why Jesus when he comes will Abolish this LIE. Notice it is not a person He is going to abolish but the LIE. That all who do not love the truth are receiving in to them by the deluding Spirit (intellect) sent from GOD because they love not the truth. They have changed the image of the incorruptible GOD into the IMAGE of a MAN , that man is Jesus Christ. Think about it.
peace and love ………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 27 2010,02:14) barely………………. There is NO real MAN of SIN , it is a FALSE (IMAGE) ABOUT JESUS…
peace and love to you and yours barley……………………………gene
Hi Gene,The ‘man of sin’ is any individual taking antichrist's mark, believing in the false image of Jesus! (Rev.13:15)
I'm glad you are one of the few that are on to the deception I describe in this link!God bless you Brother Gene!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)[/quote]
//www.holycitybiblecode.org[/URL]EDJ………..Here is what the Mark of the Antichrist is , When a person receives the Ask mark on his forehead by the Catholics Priests or when in anyones mind they see Jesus as more then a Son of MAN. It is any one who see Jesus as anything different then a Man and not coming into existence as a flesh human being who will return also as a flesh being. All such are Antichrists rather they realize it or not. IMO
peace and love…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,01:51) EDJ………..Here is what the Mark of the Antichrist is , When a person receives the Ask mark on his forehead by the Catholics Priests or when in anyones mind they see Jesus as more then a Son of MAN. It is any one who see Jesus as anything different then a Man and not coming into existence as a flesh human being who will return also as a flesh being. All such are Antichrists rather they realize it or not. IMO peace and love…………………………gene
Hi Gene,None of this opinionated propaganda is Scriptural.
If it was, you could produce the Scriptural backing!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2010,21:17) T8………..Be assured i am not trying to brainwash anyone , why would you think that in the first place , because i hold on to my convections , that now makes me a brainwasher of some kind. In fact it could be said the same about you and others here also right? peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
genecan you ??
but why is it that you old fast to unsupported truth from scriptures??
it is not what we believe that counts but the truth either we believe it or not.God does not ask our opinion about it.Pierre
Terricca………..Prob;em is you give your opinion as to what is being said so do all others, to say you don't is a LIE itself. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,05:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,01:51) EDJ………..Here is what the Mark of the Antichrist is , When a person receives the Ask mark on his forehead by the Catholics Priests or when in anyones mind they see Jesus as more then a Son of MAN. It is any one who see Jesus as anything different then a Man and not coming into existence as a flesh human being who will return also as a flesh being. All such are Antichrists rather they realize it or not. IMO peace and love…………………………gene
Hi Gene,None of this opinionated propaganda is Scriptural.
If it was, you could produce the Scriptural backing!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ……….AS i said that is my opinion of what the Mark is. did not say scripture supported that. However a Mark is some type of identification rather that is Physical or Spiritual it still is something that identity's something. When people recieve the mark of ash on their forehead that is indeed a mark of something, or when they make the sign of the cross it is a sign of some kind, No matter what. To me an Antichrist is anyone who believes Jesus is a GOD or a Demigod or morphed angelic being of some kind. What that person is saying is that Jesus is Not of the Flesh no matter what category they fall into. They are separating Jesus identity with Humanity and are Antichrists. John plainly said who ever does not confess Jesus as coming in the FLESH is Antichrist and this was the Spirit (intellect) of the Antichrist. And he said there were already many Antichrists existing in his day also, these were the Gnostic's, Who changed Jesus from a Man into a GOD or Demigod of some kind Just as Preexistences and Trinitarians do today.peace and love……………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,06:43) EDJ……….John plainly said who ever does not confess Jesus as coming in the FLESH is Antichrist and this was the Spirit (intellect) of the Antichrist. peace and love……………………………..gene
Hi Gene,If you believe this is 'antichrist', than why do you say
in the next breath, he is going to come in the flesh?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ………..Wake up, what is said is that those who do (NOT) believe Jesus came in the Flesh are Antichrists. That is what John Said.
1 John 4:3 ……..> And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even (NOW) already (IS) in the world.
Many even then were beginning to deny Jesus Human existence as ascribing him as a GOD or demigod or angle of some kind that only appeared as a human being, but in fact was a morphed or disguised . They were called Gnostic's, and they existed at the time of John. That Spirit (intellect) remains today as many change Jesus from one type of being to another type, take you pick, as seen here> But the fact is Jesus is a SON OF MAN and Still is a SON OF MAN. Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also.
Jesus is still a flesh Being as He said He was after his resurrection.
Luke 24:39……..> Behold my hand and feet it is I myself handle me and see, because a spirit has (NOT) flesh and Bone as you see me have.
Will he come in flesh? …….Lets see And then shall appear the Sign of the SON of MAN in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of (earth) mourn, and they shall (see) the Son of Man coming in the (CLOUDS) of heave with Power and great glory.
Act 1:11………> Which also said , Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This (SAME) Jesus, which was taken up from you into heaven, shall (SO) come in (LIKE MANNER) as ye have seen him go into heaven.
It is the SON of MAN that will RETURN He is a SON of GOD also Just as all who Have God's Spirit in them (NOW) are to.
peace and love…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,
First you say…
Quote And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even (NOW) already (IS) in the world. And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…
Quote Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also. It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13) Hi Gene, First you say…
Quote And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even (NOW) already (IS) in the world. And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…
Quote Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also. It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! The Word of God became flesh in John1:14 and Rev. 19:13He is The Word of God, who had a robe on dipped in blood and His name is The Word of God.
Rev19:16 The Word of God is also called KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. NOW IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER BEING THAT FITS THAT SCRIPTURE LET ME KNOW. I have not found one….. It is not God's Holy Spirit, that I know for certain….
Also read the other Scriptures in Rev, 19 they show that it is who was Jesus and He was The Word of God., and will come as The Word of God……….Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Oct. 01 2010,11:52) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13) Hi Gene, First you say…
Quote And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even (NOW) already (IS) in the world. And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…
Quote Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also. It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! The Word of God became flesh in John1:14 and Rev. 19:13He is The Word of God, who had a robe on dipped in blood and His name is The Word of God.
Rev19:16 The Word of God is also called KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. NOW IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER BEING THAT FITS THAT SCRIPTURE LET ME KNOW. I have not found one….. It is not God's Holy Spirit, that I know for certain….
Also read the other Scriptures in Rev, 19 they show that it is who was Jesus and He was The Word of God., and will come as The Word of God……….Peace Irene
Hi Irene,Do you think by Posting this same Post over
and over, it will somehow turn into truth?
I've seen you Post this over ten times!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,13:28) Terricca………..Prob;em is you give your opinion as to what is being said so do all others, to say you don't is a LIE itself. IMO peace and love………………..gene
genethis is your way of not responding to questions,
we got the picture
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,13:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean? Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus?
mike
Hi Mike,“The Word” ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) is the HolySpirit.
Have you seen the thread I satrted located here?
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