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Hi JA,
You are not the unique shining light you seem to imagine yourself to be.
Put away the mirrors and come down and join us.
Know your place in the body.Hi JA,
You sense all sorts of things but your senses are way off as usual.
Perhaps you should retune them?Let’s take one scripture.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
1.Context immediate –
2. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him.
In one sentence it say “by him” and “through him” those two things can mean very different things. Which is it?
3. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
4. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
5. 19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
6. 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
And here again it says through Him.
Context Overall –
There are two primary words to be looked at in this scripture. “Firstborn” and “Creation”.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; neither are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
Romans 9:6-8
Let me summarize this wisdom about the firstborn. It is shrouded in controversy and many do not accept God’s sovereign choices here.
Why was Isaac the firstborn over Ishmael? Isaac was the promised son through Sarah.
Why was Jacob over Esau? Jacob was the prophesied son through Rebekah.
Why was Joseph over Reuben? Joseph was the favored (chosen) son of Jacob because Rueben sinned.
Why was Ephraim over Manasses? Ephraim was the adopted son elevated to the level of being a son of Israel.
Why was Levi chosen over the physical, natural firstborns that follow? Because Levi was the priesthood who drew near to the Lord.
In all of these cases the firstborn was not the first birthed in chronologicly. It was not about order of Birth or time frame of irth, but about being appointed and chose by God. It is a position of authority/blessing appointed to a man. In all the cases the younger son was appointed by his natural father of by God.
Do we see Jesus appointed to anything in scripture?
Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed—
Acts 17:31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 3
18″But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19″Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
Acts 10:42 ”And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.
Hebrews 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Hebrews 2:7 ” YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS;YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Hebrews 3:2 He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house.The blessing of the firstborn is not about being the firstborn physically. It is about God’s promises, prophecies, choices, adoption, and those who draw near to Him.
Here is another interesting scripture. David who is a foreshadow of Christ is appointed firstborn by God even though he is the youngest in chronological order.
27″I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.
28″My lovingkindness I will keep for him forever,
And My covenant shall be confirmed to him.
Is this a prophetic statement talking about Christ being appointed firstborn and the covenant being confirmed through him? We know for sure that it is another proof that the first birthed in time is not necessarily the one who receives the firstborn position with all of it’s blessings.
To the Hebrew mind when someone is introduced as the firstborn it is about the one who receives the double portion and is blessed to become head of the family by his Father, regardless of his order of birth. It may be the first birthed and it may not.
“CREATION”
First one must understand that the Hebrew culture and language of the OT was still very much alive at the time scriptures were written. Words chosen for the NT would carry much the same meaning as they did in the OT.
The first story is found in Genesis 1.1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” The Hebrew word “bara” is a verb and is usually translated as “create”. To really understand what this word means let us look at another passage where this word is used. 1 Samuel 2.29 – Why do you scorn my sacrifice and offering that I prescribed for my dwelling? Why do you honor your sons more than me by fattening yourselves on the choice parts of every offering made by my people Israel?' The word “fattening” in the passage above is the Hebrew word “bara”. The noun form of this verb is “beriya” and can be found in Genesis 41.4 – “And the cows that were ugly and gaunt ate up the seven sleek, fat cows.” The word “fat” is the Hebrew word “beriya”. The word “bara” does not mean, “create” (Hebrew actually has no word that meaning “create” in the sense of something out of nothing) but “to fatten”. If we take the literal definition of “bara” in Genesis 1.1 we have – In the beginning God fattened the heavens and the earth. What does this fattening of the heavens and earth mean? This verse is not showing the creation of the heaven and earth, but rather the fattening or filling up of it.
Curtesy of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center.
Create (bara) carries a meaning of bringing to fulfillment or completion of filling up. Did Christ bring things to completion? Was Christ the first to overcome death and bring to a close the curse over us?
This verse is a typical picture story from the concrete Hebrew thinkers.
The first Adam loses his blessing and position of the firstborn through sin, but a prophecy is given about another in his family that will crush the head of the enemy. Who is Adams family? Those that are of God’s promises, prophecies, choices, adoption, and those who draw near to Him.Does Jesus fit in here?
He is called the second Adam.
He is promised through Abraham.
He is prophecied about all through scripture.
And he draws near to God.SO — Who is the adopted in this verse?
That’s the good part.
Heb 12
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,
23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
Who are these firstborns? US!!. It cannot be talking about Jesus for he is greeted in the next verse. I have two older sisters. Does that mean I cannot be in this Church? Obviously no. We are appointed just like him. Joint Heirs with him. We also receive the double portion.
John 15:16 ” You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and
bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
Acts 22:14 ”And he said, ' The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.I could have added 4 times as much to this post, but I know that there are some less mature on here that will not endure a thorough study.
Martian,
No one sits and eats a ten course meal in one sitting.
Make small short points. More effective.
Nick,
You are a saint.
Or so you think.
Do you actually have anything of value to post?
Are you a 'wannabe moderator'?
Quote (JustAskin @ July 22 2010,09:53) Martian, No one sits and eats a ten course meal in one sitting.
Make small short points. More effective.
Sure so the meanings and points can get lost in the shuffle. Those really wanting to know truth will take 5 minuts to read an honest study. the rest I do not care to please.Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2010,22:02) Jesus did overcome but what he overcame was the temptations of the world and through him each of us can overcome if we choose to obey all his teachings. Agreed.
Oh please JA!
You said:
Quote JustAskin just uses the Scriptures…and who has refuted his expisitions with honesty? I ask, show me one place.
I ask many times and not ONCE has a single poster posted a rebuttal.
I don't think anyone here thinks as highly of your scriptural “insights” as you do. You do have a lot of things scripturally correct IMO. But NOT EVERYTHING.
Where is your response to my last post in “pasa ktisis”? Remember the one I specifically pm'd to you as an invitation for you to answer it? The one that explains how your definition of “begotten” concerning Jesus can't be viable?
I love you man, but Teddy has it right. You are full of yourself and talk as if the rest of us here are idiots just hanging around waiting for your next tidbit of enlightened truth.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (martian @ July 22 2010,09:18) There are two primary words to be looked at in this scripture. “Firstborn” and “Creation”.
Hi Martian,Whenever scripture speaks of an “appointed” firstborn, we clearly know who was the “real” firstborn, and in most cases we know why that “real” firstborn lost his rights and a different one was “appointed”.
Adam was NEVER the firstborn of every creature. All of the creatures of the air, land and sea existed before him. Nor are we told he lost any “firstborn” rights that Jesus ended up receiving. And while Jesus is appointed to many things, he is NEVER said to be “appointed” to the position of “firstborn of every creature” or “the beginning of the creation of God”.
About creation:
You are right that it is the Hebrew word “bara”. But you neglect to point out that the Hebrews used many forms of the same word to mean different things. For example, bara can mean different things depending on the form of the word that was used:1) to create, shape, form 1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject) 1a1) of heaven and earth 1a2) of individual man 1a3) of new conditions and circumstances 1a4) of transformations 1b) (Niphal) to be created 1b1) of heaven and earth 1b2) of birth 1b3) of something new 1b4) of miracles 1c) (Piel) 1c1) to cut down 1c2) to cut out 2) to be fat 2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat
You can see the Qal form really means to create, while the Hiphil form means to “fatten”. It is the Qal form that is used in Genesis and the Hiphil form in 1 Samuel.
You can verify this through the NETBible site. Plus, we can't really imagine that God “fattened” or “filled” man in His image, can we?
I agree with JA that your post is a 10 course meal. Break it down and I'll happily discuss it with you. If you are worried about fragments getting lost in the shuffle, we can put it in a debate thread where there will be no interuptions.
It's up to you. I don't mind discussing it here and there on this thread either.
mike
To all,
What do people who believe in the preexistence of Jesus believe about what he was before he existed as a human being.
Do they believe he was a bodyless human soul or do they believe he was another kind of being that God transformed into a human inside of Mary's reproductive system?
The answer to that question is important to determining if there beliefs are damaging to their faith in the promise of God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin. We don't have a Heavenly version of Facebook complete with photos of Jesus, but we believe that he existed in the form of God or with God's nature, emptied himself and existed in the flesh. He was obedient to God while in the flesh, died, was risen up to the glory that he had with the Father before the world begun.
To all,
First I want to thank t8 for his explanation and then I will go on to point why I am convinced that believing Jesus is anything other that a human being in contradictory to a sound gospel.
To do this I must first point to Abraham who scripture declares was credited with righteousness because he chose to believe God. Abraham was merely credited with righteousness because he could not live according to the ways of the spirit of righteousness as that promise is a gift of the new covenant that was sealed with Jesus' blood.
One of the promises of the new covenant is that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled, Matthew 5:6. The only righteousness that the servants of God desire is to stop sinning as they are called to be righteous as God is righteous. Any righteousness short of that is impure and thus no righteousness at all. Therefore no true servant of God will content until he has obtained the goal of not sinning. Jesus promises them that the new covenant will grant that desire.
Scripture makes it clear to receive that promise one must believe it can and will occur and that God is the one who will do it. Jesus is our example that a human being has the ability to go through life under what appears to be unbearable duress and yet not sin. To serve as our example we must believe that Jesus was fully tempted by evil as we are and yet did not sin because of his complete faith in God, Hebrews 4:15.
How can one believe this if one chooses to also believe he was anything but a human being with the same capabilities of every other human being?
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Ed J.
I do not.
But there is a tenet that states the human soul preexists ones conception and that tenet does not seem to me to endanger ones belief that Jesus was tempted just as you or me are but without sin. Because it does not appear to endanger ones faith I am reluctant to do battle on it as such battle may well be a vain pursuit.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 22 2010,21:11) To all, First I want to thank t8 for his explanation and then I will go on to point why I am convinced that believing Jesus is anything other that a human being in contradictory to a sound gospel.
To do this I must first point to Abraham who scripture declares was credited with righteousness because he chose to believe God. Abraham was merely credited with righteousness because he could not live according to the ways of the spirit of righteousness as that promise is a gift of the new covenant that was sealed with Jesus' blood.
One of the promises of the new covenant is that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled, Matthew 5:6. The only righteousness that the servants of God desire is to stop sinning as they are called to be righteous as God is righteous. Any righteousness short of that is impure and thus no righteousness at all. Therefore no true servant of God will content until he has obtained the goal of not sinning. Jesus promises them that the new covenant will grant that desire.
Scripture makes it clear to receive that promise one must believe it can and will occur and that God is the one who will do it. Jesus is our example that a human being has the ability to go through life under what appears to be unbearable duress and yet not sin. To serve as our example we must believe that Jesus was fully tempted by evil as we are and yet did not sin because of his complete faith in God, Hebrews 4:15.
How can one believe this if one chooses to also believe he was anything but a human being with the same capabilities of every other human being?
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin…………You have it right brother. Jesus did not preexist is his berth here on earth no more than we have preexisted our berths on earth. We as well as Jesus was in the foreknowledge of GOD and definitely were in his plans and will.peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (martian @ July 22 2010,09:18) Let’s take one scripture.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
1.Context immediate –
2. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him.
In one sentence it say “by him” and “through him” those two things can mean very different things. Which is it?
3. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
4. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
5. 19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
6. 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
And here again it says through Him.
Context Overall –
There are two primary words to be looked at in this scripture. “Firstborn” and “Creation”.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; neither are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
Romans 9:6-8
Let me summarize this wisdom about the firstborn. It is shrouded in controversy and many do not accept God’s sovereign choices here.
Why was Isaac the firstborn over Ishmael? Isaac was the promised son through Sarah.
Why was Jacob over Esau? Jacob was the prophesied son through Rebekah.
Why was Joseph over Reuben? Joseph was the favored (chosen) son of Jacob because Rueben sinned.
Why was Ephraim over Manasses? Ephraim was the adopted son elevated to the level of being a son of Israel.
Why was Levi chosen over the physical, natural firstborns that follow? Because Levi was the priesthood who drew near to the Lord.
In all of these cases the firstborn was not the first birthed in chronologicly. It was not about order of Birth or time frame of irth, but about being appointed and chose by God. It is a position of authority/blessing appointed to a man. In all the cases the younger son was appointed by his natural father of by God.
Do we see Jesus appointed to anything in scripture?
Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed—
Acts 17:31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 3
18″But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19″Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
Acts 10:42 ”And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.
Hebrews 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Hebrews 2:7 ” YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS;YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Hebrews 3:2 He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house.The blessing of the firstborn is not about being the firstborn physically. It is about God’s promises, prophecies, choices, adoption, and those who draw near to Him.
Here is another interesting scripture. David who is a foreshadow of Christ is appointed firstborn by God even though he is the youngest in chronological order.
27″I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.
28″My lovingkindness I will keep for him forever,
And My covenant shall be confirmed to him.
Is this a prophetic statement talking about Christ being appointed firstborn and the covenant being confirmed through him? We know for sure that it is another proof that the first birthed in time is not necessarily the one who receives the firstborn position with all of it’s blessings.
To the Hebrew mind when someone is introduced as the firstborn it is about the one who receives the double portion and is blessed to become head of the family by his Father, regardless of his order of birth. It may be the first birthed and it may not.
“CREATION”
First one must understand that the Hebrew culture and language of the OT was still very much alive at the time scriptures were written. Words chosen for the NT would carry much the same meaning as they did in the OT.
The first story is found in Genesis 1.1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” The Hebrew word “bara” is a verb and is usually translated as “create”. To really understand what this word means let us look at another passage where this word is used. 1 Samuel 2.29 – Why do you scorn my sacrifice and offering that I prescribed for my dwelling? Why do you honor your sons more than me by fattening yourselves on the choice parts of every offering made by my people Israel?' The word “fattening” in the passage above is the Hebrew word “bara”. The noun form of this verb is “beriya” and can be found in Genesis 41.4 – “And the cows that were ugly and gaunt ate up the seven sleek, fat cows.” The word “fat” is the Hebrew word “beriya”. The word “bara” does not mean, “create” (Hebrew actually has no word that meaning “create” in the sense of something out of nothing) but “to fatten”. If we take the literal definition of “bara” in Genesis 1.1 we have – In the beginning God fattened the heavens and the earth. What does this fattening of the heavens and earth mean? This verse is not showing the creation of the heaven and earth, but rather the fattening or filling up of it.
Curtesy of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center.
Create (bara) carries a meaning of bringing to fulfillment or completion of filling up. Did Christ bring things to completion? Was Christ the first to overcome death and bring to a close the curse over us?
This verse is a typical picture story from the concrete Hebrew thinkers.
The first Adam loses his blessing and position of the firstborn through sin, but a prophecy is given about another in his family that will crush the head of the enemy. Who is Adams family? Those that are of God’s promises, prophecies, choices, adoption, and those who draw near to Him.Does Jesus fit in here?
He is called the second Adam.
He is promised through Abraham.
He is prophecied about all through scripture.
And he draws near to God.SO — Who is the adopted in this verse?
That’s the good part.
Heb 12
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,
23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
Who are these firstborns? US!!. It cannot be talking about Jesus for he is greeted in the next verse. I have two older sisters. Does that mean I
cannot be in this Church? Obviously no. We are appointed just like him. Joint Heirs with him. We also receive the double portion.
John 15:16 ” You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
Acts 22:14 ”And he said, ' The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.
martian………..very good and accurate Post, Thanks be to God there are some who see and understand this. Please do not get discouraged some are beginning to realize more and more the (exactness) of Jesus and ourselves. Continue to the endeavor which God has placed you no matter what the frustration are brother. Remember the crown goes to him that endures to the End brother.peace and love to you and yours martian…………………….gene
kerwin and Gene! First of all, do you believe that all Humans have sinned? I do. We also know and agree that Jesus was the Son of God. Also that Jesus at age 12 went into the Temple and preached, and all that saw Him were amazed. How could a 12 year old boy do that. Jesus was special in the way that He knew where He came from. Otherwise He could have never said what He did in John 17:5. He had a glory with the Father before the world was, and to that glory He returned. We all know that He now is a Spirit Being, so why don't you believe in what He said He was before the world began?
He also said in Jon 6:39-40 That He came down from Heaven to do the will of His Father. And in Col. 1:15 He is the firstborn of all creation…. You believe that He is the firstborn of the death in verse 18, right? Then why don't you believe what it says in verse 15 that He is the firstborn and made in the image of the invisible God….Also Rev, 3:14 says that He is the beginning of the creation of God.
We have several good Scriptures that have showed me, that He was with His Father in Heaven as a Spirit Being before all creation. Through Him all was created, verse 16 of Col. 1
Now lets look at John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God. In verse 14 that Word became flesh. Now look at
Rev. 19:13 “He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
verse16 And on His robe and on His thigh a name is written:” KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.In closing He emptied Himself and became like a Servant to die for us….. I have wondered for a long time, before I believed in this…. When it says that all have fallen short of the glory of God, how come that Jesus never did. The belief that He had to be exactly like us, is not so. He had to be difference in order to not have sinned. Beside from that He was made in the image of Jehovah God, and therefore never was like us. He came from God out of Heaven and we were created out of the dust of the earth…. There lies the difference….Believe me it is not easy to believe in this, and we too had a hard time with this….. I also have learned no ,matter what Church it is, each one has some truth that they believe. Mainstream Christianity believe in the trinity, but believes that Christ came in the flesh an died for us. So many think that the JW are a cult, I have to disagree. If they are a cult, then the biggest cult is the Catholic Church. The same about the W.W. Church of God, they also have some truth, but
believe that they have to keep the Sabbath, which is a sign between God and the children of Israel and not us Gentiles… We are under the New Covenant. And the Law that Jesus magnified…..
Think about this before you jump in and say that am wrong…..Peace to all IreneQuote (kerwin @ July 22 2010,21:58) Ed J. I do not.
But there is a tenet that states the human soul preexists ones conception and that tenet does not seem to me to endanger ones belief that Jesus was tempted just as you or me are but without sin. Because it does not appear to endanger ones faith I am reluctant to do battle on it as such battle may well be a vain pursuit.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Mr. Kerwin,Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the lord Jesus Christ.
I Thessalonians 5:23 teaches that believers are a three part being, body, and soul and spirit. Isaiah 43:7 indicates that one part was formed, one part was made, and one part was created. The part that was created was the part that would enable man to glorify God.
Body was formed of the dust.
Genesis 2:7 God breathed in Adam's nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11. That life is the soul life. It is passed on from generation to generation. It started with Adam and Eve and that same soul life is coursing through our bodies. Even animals have soul life. Genesis 1, the fifth day. In the KJV, life is soul.
God created man in his own image, God is Spirit, John 4:24, the image of God is spirit. That spirit part is the part that enable man to glorify God.
What did Adam and Eve lose when they sinned? Spirit. They still had body and soul. They were alive, but not having the image of God, they were without God and without hope in this world. They would not be able to glorify God without that spirit part. Jesus Christ solved that problem for us.
It is not the body and soul is not what makes humankind special, it is the ability to have spirit that makes man unique. Jesus Christ foretold of this in John 7:39 and in other places.
Jesus Christ did not pre exist his conception and birth.
Jesus Christ did not have spirit until it descended upon him like a dove at his baptism. Then God was able to communicate directly with him. That is when his ministry took off.
Jesus Christ was only body and soul before that. He was tempted in all ways like we are yet, without sin. How? He learned and applied scripture.
Jesus Christ was foretold as early as Genesis 3:15. God know Adam and Eve would sin, and already had plans to rectify the situation. God's foreknowledge allows Him to plan ahead. We think we plan ahead. No. God plans ahead.
Have an awesome day!
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