Philippians 2

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  • #863587
    Jodi
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    Hi Berean,

    If your finding yourself not able to defend your belief by giving responses to scriptures, maybe it’s time you take a new look.

    This is WHO Jesus IS,

    Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration (NEW BIRTH) when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man (anthropos/HUMAN) in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, untill he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 

    Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, THE MAN that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I HAVE SPOKEN IT, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

     

    #863621
    Jodi
    Participant

    To All those who say Jesus was God who came to earth please explain how this makes sense,

    I will change Christ Jesus into God in the passage below as that is what you CHANGE the Anointed Man into by your doctrine.

    Phil 2:4-6 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in God: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    Below is to be our understanding according to you changing the Anointed Man Jesus into God,

    1. Paul is telling people that the mind in them needs to be that of the mind of God in heaven, where we ought to think that we are equal with God.
    2. God being in the form OF God, THOUGHT it not robbery to be equal with God:

    Your doctrine is to change identities and ignore the context Paul establishes in verse 1-2, as well as ignore Paul’s words elsewhere, the Son of God a perfect man, the measure and stature of the FULLNESS of CHRIST, the son of David, and the Son of God according to the Spirit. 

    Phil 2:1-2 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, fulfil ye my joy, that ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

    Philippians 2 IS TALKING about THE ANOINTED MAN JESUS, the man anointed with the Spirit of God, and how those who have joint participation of the Spirit, should not feel that they are robbing God, but rather agree together with God through His Spirit, where by that Spirit Jesus did not seek after vain glory, but had love for others.

    How is Jesus who was anointed with the full measure of God’s Spirit not existing in the form of God? I say he most certainly was!

    How is the anointed Jesus who was sanctified and sent by God to speak God’s words and do God’s deeds by God’s command, not in the form of God when Jesus cried saying, “he that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me” ? I say he most certainly was!

    You people have total denial of the obvious, all the while as you change the very identity of the Anointed Man Jesus into a false god.

    There is but ONE GOD THE FATHER

    Jesus receives the Spirit of God our Father in order to make God and His will known to us. In Jesus we heard God’s words, in Jesus we saw God’s deeds. Jesus was representing God, where he was of  His form according to the Spirit and by doing all His works at His command.

    As Jesus says, the scriptures cannot be broken that tells us of God’s word, that those who receive the word of God are called gods by God. If Jesus is God then Moses is also God, but they are not God they are called gods by the One True God who is Jesus’s Father and our Father, Jesus’s God and our God.

    We are also told, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”

    Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.

    7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

    John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

    God calls Jesus a god as He did Moses. Moses was a child of God, and Jesus a child of God, but Jesus was the ONLY mortal child of God who God begat with the full measure of His Spirit and was sent to fulfill God’s covenant being for a light to all people of all nations. He was the Son of Man of prophecy who came to save that which was lost, delivering captives as he had been called to righteousness where God would direct all his ways.

    God’s word made true in the flesh and the people beheld this man’s glory as he was the only one begotten with the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, a man FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

    #863803
    Berean
    Participant

    Jodi

    For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    [6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF WHOM are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM  are all things, and we by him.
    [7] Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:

    one God, the Father, OF WHOM…

    one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM…

     

    THIS IS THE RIGHT TRANSLATION

    some below

     

    the biblical reference: http://djep.hd.free.fr/lareferencebiblique/?Livre=46&Chap=8&Vers=6

     

    King James translation
    • 1611 – French translation, Bible des réformateurs 2006 But for us, there is only one God, the Father, of whom all things are, and we in him; and one LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we through him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Liturgy Bible
    © 2013 – Episcopal Liturgical Association for French-speaking countries for us, on the contrary, there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything comes and towards whom we go; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything comes and by whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Bible Segond 21
    © 2007 – Biblical Society of Geneva Nevertheless, for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and by whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    People’s Bible
    © 2005 – Jubilee Editions But for us there is only one God, the Father; everything comes from him and we go to him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus, the Christ: everything depends on him and we depend on him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    New Segond Bible
    © 2002 NBS – Société Biblique Française however for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything comes and for whom we are, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and by who we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Sower bible
    © 2000, Société Biblique Internationale But as far as we are concerned, there is only one God: the Father, from whom everything comes, and for whom we live, and there is only one Lord : Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and by whom we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Bible Word of Life
    © 2000 PDV – Société Biblique Française In any case, for us, there is only one God: it is the Father. Everything comes from him, and it is for him that we live. And there is only one Lord: it is Jesus Christ. Everything exists through him, and it is through him that we live. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    New World Translation
    © 1995 – Watchtower Bible & tract society of Pennsylvania for us there is really only one God the Father, of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Bible in fluent French
    © 1982 BFC – French Biblical Society it is nonetheless true that for us there is only one God, the Father, who created all things and for whom we live; there is also only one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom all things exist and by whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)
    Dove Bible
    © 1978 – French Biblical Society nevertheless for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come, and for whom we are, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom all things are and by who we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Bible Chouraqui
    © 1977 – Editions Desclée de Brouwer But for us there is only one Elohîms, the father, of whom everything is, and we are his, and only one Adôn, Iéshoua ‘, the messiah, by whom everything is, and us through him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Ecumenical Translation of the Bible
    © 1976 TOB – Les Editions du Cerf for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything comes and to whom we go, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and by whom we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Jerusalem Bible
    © 1973 – Les Editions du Cerf for us in any case, there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything comes and for whom we are, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and by who we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Pirot-Clamer / Liénart translation
    © 1938-50 – Letouzey & Ané Edition / Cardinal Liénart reissue however for us there is only one God, the Father from whom all things come and to whom we go, and a Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we are by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Abbé Crampon translation
    • 1923 – Free of rights for us nevertheless, there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come and for whom we are, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and by who we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Louis Segond translation
    • 1910 – Free of rights, however, for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come and for whom we are, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom all things are and by who we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Neufchâtel Annotated Bible
    • 1899 – Free of rights, however, for us there is one God, the Father, of whom all things are, and we are for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we are by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Abbé Fillion translation
    • 1895 – Free of rights for us however there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come, and us whom He made for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we also through Him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Edmond Stapfer translation
    © 1889 – Biblical Society of Paris but we have only one God, the Father, where everything comes from and for whom we are; we have only one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists and we too are by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    John Nelson Darby translation
    • 1885 – Free of rights, however, for us, there is one God, the Father, of whom all things are, and we for him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we through him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Ostervald’s Bible
    • 1881 – Free of rights However, we have only one God, the Father, from whom all things proceed, and we are for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we are by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Hugues Oltramare translation
    • 1874 – Free of rights, however, for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom all things come, and we are for him, – and only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are by it. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Albert rilliet translation
    • 1858 – Transcript DJEP 2013 for us, we have only one God, the Father by whom all things exist, and ourselves for Him, and one lord, Jesus Christ, because of which all things exist, and ourselves by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    Sacy’s Lemaistre translation
    • 1759 – Free of rights there is, however, for us only one God, who is the Father, from whom all things derive their being, & who made us for him; & there is only one Lord, who is Jesus Christ, by whom all things were made, as it is also by him that we are all that we are. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

    David martin translation
    • 1744 – Free of rights However, we have only one God, [who is] the Father; of which [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8: 6)

     

     

     

    #863804
    Ed J
    Participant

    one God, the Father, OF WHOM…
    one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM…

    THIS IS THE RIGHT TRANSLATION

    Berean, this is the right translation:

    one God, the Father, OF WHOM

    “I the LORD that maketh all things;
    that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE
    that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;
    That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth
    wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;” (Isaiah 44:24-25)

    one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM…

    The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    If any man have an ear, let him hear” (Revelation 13:8-9)

     

    Berean, I’m not trying to convince you of anything;
    My aim is simply to produce “the truth” for these:

    If any man have an ear, let him hear

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #863810
    Berean
    Participant

    Edj

     

    You can’t deny this text from Paul, in fact it completes Isaiah 44

    You do not find it normal that there is more light in the New Testament, at least additional information …
    Which seems normal in a certain sense …

     

    Colossians 1
    … 25It was from her that I was made minister, according to the charge that God gave me with you, so that I would fully proclaim the word of God, 26the hidden mystery of all times and in all ages , but now revealed to his saints, 27which God wanted to make known the glorious richness of this mystery among the Gentiles, namely: Christ in you, the hope of glory.…
    Cross References
    Romans 16:25
    To him who can strengthen you according to my Gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, in accordance with the revelation of the mystery hidden for centuries,

    Ephesians 3: 3
    It was by revelation that I learned of the mystery on which I have just written in a few words.

    Ephesians 3: 4
    By reading them, you can imagine the intelligence I have of the mystery of Christ.

    Ephesians 3: 9
    and to bring to light what is the dispensation of the mystery hidden from all time in God who created all things by Jesus Christ .

    Colossians 2: 2
    so that their hearts may be filled with consolation, that they may be united in charity, and enriched with full understanding to know the mystery of God, to know Christ,

    Colossians 4: 3
    Pray for us at the same time, that God will open a door for us to speak, so that I can announce the mystery of Christ, for whom I am in chains,

    #863811
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Berean,

    Very good verses and reasoning in your response to Edj!

    LU

    #863812
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi LU

    THANK’S FOR YOUR ENCOURAGES
    THE LOVE OF GOD MANIFESTS IN JESUS CHRIST FOR US IS GREAT, INFINITE ……
    BLESSINGS

    #863813
    Ed J
    Participant

    one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM…

    “The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    If any man have an ear, let him hear” (Revelation 13:8-9)

    Edj

    You can’t deny this text from Paul, in fact it completes Isaiah 44

    You do not find it normal that there is more light in the New Testament, at least additional information …
    Which seems normal in a certain sense …

    Hi Berean,

    “we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9)

    Was that “through Jesus” creating something?

    #863826
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    1 Corinthians 15:25 For he (JESUS CHRIST THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH) must reign, untill he( GOD THE FATHER OF HEAVEN)  hath put all enemies under his (CHRIST) feet.

    Can you according to your carnal mentality, explain

    WHY GOD MUST SERVE AND  PUT ALL CHRIST’S ENEMIES UNDER CHRIST’S FEET? AND AT THE SAME TIME

    CHRIST IS NOT GLORIFIED AS GOD AND FATHER OF ALL. Well asserted in

    Philippians 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that the

    Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.

    ARE YOU READY TO ACCEPT THE HERESY THAT

    GOD SERVES ONLY A MAN AND AT THE SAME TIME 

    THIS MAN IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE FATHER MANIFESTING

    GOD’S GLORY

    AND AT THE SAME TIME IS NOT 

    GOD AND FATHER IN HIS UNIQUE PARTICULAR

    GLORIFIED STATE, of

    GODMAN

    A GLORY WHICH GOD THE FATHER STILL HAVE TO PUT CHRIST’S ENEMY UNDER CHRIST’S FEET FIRST  IN ORDER FOR HIM  TO BE

    ALL IN ALL AND REPLACE CHRIST OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER OF ALL.

    THE FACT THAT ALL CHRIST’S ENEMIES MUST ACCEPT

    OR ELSE GOD THE FATHER WOULD REMAIN WHERE HE IS

    STILL GLORIFIED IN CHRIST’S UNIQUE GLORY,

    BUT SIMPLY SERVING AND

    PUTTING CHRIST’S ENEMIES UNDER CHRIST’S FEET. 

    WHICH FOR OUR HUMAN UNDERSTANDINGS

    A NEVER-ENDING STORY! 

    WHICH FOR GOD IN DOESN’T  MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE SINCE 

    JESUS CHRIST IS GOD AND FATHER OF ALL.

    THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, A TASK WHICH GOD THE FATHER COULD NOT EVEN SMELL! NEVER MIND BE 

    GOD AND SAVIOUR OF THE HUMAN RACE

    THOUGH IT WAS ALL HIS UNFATHOMABLE PLAN!

    ALL IN “THE WORD” ALL BY “THE WORD” ALL FOR “THE WORD” 

    JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF MAN!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

     

     

    #863827
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: Philippians 2 IS TALKING about THE ANOINTED MAN JESUS,

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, John17:5)

    Who,

    (ORIGINALLY)

    being in the form of God, thought it not robbery

    (HENCE, JUSTIFIED)

    to be equal with God  (John 10:33 being a, man, makest thyself God.)

    7But

    (AS THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE OFFERED HIMSELF

    (Isaiah6:5… and I have seen with my eyes (THE MAN  JESUS CHRIST)

    the King the Lord of hosts.

    8And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: Whom shall I send? and who shall go for us?

    And I said: Lo, here am I, send me.

     

     And ON HIS BIRTH, HE  HIMSELF)

     

    made HIMSELF of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and WAS MADE in the likeness of men:

     

    ( OF EARTH, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8;

    the entire process OF MAN,

    MALE AND FEMALE, ANDROGENOUS,IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST,

    THE TRUE MAN, ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER,

    1John1:1-2For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested unto us;)

    8And being found

    (HIMSELF ON HIS BIRTH ON EARTH, THOUGH THE LIGHT AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD, John1:4, INSTEAD)

     

    in fashion as a man,

    (OF THE EARTH, thus )

    he humbled himself,

    (FOR THE SAKE OF THE HUMAN RACE, SIMPLY TO PLEASE THE FATHER,

    AND ESTABLISH THE WAY, AS BY THE FATHER ON HIS OWN THERE WAS NO WAY)

    and became obedient unto

    (HIS PARTICULAR )

    death, even the death of the cross.

    (ACCORDING TO HIS OWN POWER! John10:18)

    9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,

    (SINCE HE REJECTED HIMSELF OF HIS ONE ORIGINAL GLORY WITH THE FATHER. John17:5)

    and given him a name

    (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS)  

    which

    (BOTH FROM THE BEGINNING AND NOW)

    is above every name:

    (THE FACT THAT OFFICIALLY HE “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WAS DECLARED AT THE RIVER JORDAN BOTH BY

    THE FATHER HIMSELF, AND THE HOLY GHOST ALSO

    THE SON OF GOD) 

    10That at the name of Jesus

    (THE TRUE GODMAN PHYSICALLY ON EARTH IN FLESH

    AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS IN CHRIST GODMAN IN HEAVEN)  

    every knee should bow,

    of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is

    ( ETERNALLY)

    Lord,

    (OF ALL FLESH!John17:2

    EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!

    THE GODMAN )

    to the glory of God the Father.

    (Job 7:17 What is a man, that thou shouldst

    magnify him

    or why dost thou set

    thy heart upon him?

     

    Job 15:14 What is man that

    he should be without spot,

    and he that is born of a woman that

    he should 

    APPEAR just?

    (AS HE WAS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS IN FLESH

    GOD’S OWN ETERNAL FELSH)

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

     

    #863828
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    YOU:We are also told, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”

    Hebrews 2:13 ……Behold I and my children,

    whom God hath given me.

    JESUS CHRIST IS 

    THE MOST HIGH!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ.

    #863829
    Berean
    Participant

    Edj

    You

    “we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9)

    Was that “through Jesus” creating something?

    Me

    God the Father speaking to His Son

    [10] And, Thou, Lord(Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
    [11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
    [12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

    #863830
    Ed J
    Participant

    Berean, the writer of Hebrews is quoting Psalm 102…

    Psalms 102:25-28 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
    They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt
    thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
    The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.

    Who is this verse talking about?

    1. YeHoVaH
    2. Jesus
    3. other

    ?

    #863831
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    whom God hath given me.
    JESUS CHRIST IS
    THE MOST HIGH!

    Jesus Christ doesn’t have children, God does. Jesus Christ has brethren and God doesn’t have brothers.

    The head of Christ is God. There is one God, the Father. He is the only God. All this written clearly in scripture.

    #863833
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    YOU: Jesus Christ doesn’t have children, …….All this written clearly in scripture.

    ME: READ CLEARLY WRITTEN SCRIPTURES:

    Hebrews 2:10 For it became him

    (JESUS CHRIST)for whom are all things and by whom are all things, who had brought

    many children into glory,(NOT BRETHREN)

    to perfect the author of their salvation, by his passion. 11For both he (JESUS CHRIST) that sanctifieth and they (THE CHILDREN) who are sanctified are all of one. (IN JESUS CHRIST) For which cause he

    (JESUS CHRIST)is not ashamed to

    CALL

    them brethren, saying:

    12 I will declare thy name to

    my brethren: (IN RELATION TO JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE BODY OF THE CHURCH

    NOT IN RELATION TO CHRIST, THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH)

    in the midst of the church will I praise thee.( FATHER)

    13And again: I will put my trust in him. (JESUS CHRIST) And again:

    Behold I and my children,

    whom God hath given me.

     

     

     

     

    YOU: God does. (GOD HAS HUMANS AS CHILDREN 

    ONLY IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE BODY OF THE CHURCH)

    YOU: Jesus Christ has brethren and God doesn’t have brothers.

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY THE CHURCH WHO IS JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!

    YOU: The head of Christ is God.

    THE BODY OF GOD IS CHRIST

    ANSWER:

    WHAT IS A HEAD WITHOUT A BODY?  and 

    WHAT IS A BODY WITHOUT A HEAD?

    LIKEWISE:

    WHAT IS GOD WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST?

    WHAT IS JESUS CHRIST WITHOUT GOD?

    NO GOD NO CHRIST NO CHRIST NO GOD!

    YOU: There is one God, the Father. He is the only God.

    READ CLEAR SCRIPTURE:

    Titus 2:14 Looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of

    the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

    14Who gave himself for us,

    (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS

    SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev. 13:8)

    1John 5:20

    And we know that the Son of God (JESUS CHRIST) is come.

    And he (GOD THE FATHER THROUGH JESUS CHRIST)

    hath given us understanding that we may know the true God and may be

    in his true Son. (JESUS CHRIST)

    This is the true God and life eternal.

    JESUS CHRIST

    THE ONLY TRUE MANIFESTED GOD ON EARTH!

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #863837
    Berean
    Participant

    Edj

    You write

     

    Berean, the writer of Hebrews is quoting Psalm 102…

    Psalms 102:25-28 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
    They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt
    thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
    The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.

    Who is this verse talking about?

    1. YeHoVaH
    2. Jesus
    3. other

    ?

    I write

    Did you read my last post or not ???

    THE FATHER TALKS TO THE SON

    Just look Hebrews 1

    Heb.1
    [1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he(God) made the worlds;
    [3] Who(the Son) being the brightness of his glory(glory of God the Father), and the express image of his person(God the Father), and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
    [4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
    [5] For unto which of the angels said he(God) at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I(God) will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
    [6] And again, when he(God) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him(the Son).
    [7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
    [8] But unto the Son he(God) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
    [10] And, Thou, Lord(the Son), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
    [11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
    [12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
    [13] But to which of the angels said he(God) at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?(of the Son)
    [14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

    #863843
    Ed J
    Participant

    “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
    a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” (Heb 1:8)

    Hi Berean,

    Of course God says to the son: God’s kingdom is forever,
    because the son establishes God’s Kingdom on earth.

    Not hard to understand

    Psalms 102:25-28 makes it clear that God is not
    calling Jesus “God”… religion has lied to you.

    ____________
    God bless
    ED J

    #863844
    Ed J
    Participant

    Psalms 102:25-28 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
    They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt
    thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
    The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.

    Who is this verse talking about?

    1. YeHoVaH
    2. Jesus
    3. other

    1. YeHoVaH

    #863854
    Berean
    Participant

    Edj

    God the Father calls his Son “God” because He is God
    that’s the truth
    You twist the words of God

    #863855
    Berean
    Participant

    The identity of Jesus: divine and only begotten Son of God
    His nature, his essence: like that of God His Father

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