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Quote BUT ONLY SINCE THEY ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN THE FLESH! why would God almighty come to earth for the only reason to be killed by men his own creation;that he wanted to destroy before the flood ,but because someone interceded for men he changed and took a different course of action ,it seems not make sens that he still have men almost totally destroyed ,and according to you he came about 2000 years later and died for us
and the same wickedness still remains as before the flood ;sorry but you have mist something some wheret8,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Why then, is it important for you to get to the Father, when you already have “God Almighty” without reaching the Father? Let's hear it Charles. It is a fair question.
t8,
FIRST: THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL!
IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO SEE THE FATHER, SINCE IF ANY CREATURE COULD BE IN THE POSITION TO SEE THE FATHER, HE DIES! ETERNALLY!
IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET TO THE FATHER,
FIRST AND FORMOST!
(IN THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST)SINCE IF YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU DIE!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON
THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT JUSTIFIES, IT CONFIRMS, THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS SENT BY HIM! AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
AND AS SOON AS YOU SEE JESUS,AS JUDGE! YOU WOULD KNOW THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH AS HE IS NOW!
THEREFORE ALSO:
YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS THE TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST THE ONE WHOM HE HAS SENT PURPOSELY, FOR THAT REASON!
ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER!
NO CHRIST NO GOD, NO GOD NO CHRIST! AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
SO TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH IS FIRST AND FORMOST
THERE'S NO WAY OUT
SATAN'S WORK HAS SUCCEEDED IN MAKING PEOPLE BELIEVE, THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GLORIFIED GOD IN FLESH IN ORDER TO REMAIN AS THE GOD OF THE WORLD AND SINCE HE IS PROJECTED TO COME IN THE NAME OF CHRIST HIMSELF AS MAN! HE WOULD DECEIVE MANY
IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH, EITHER WHILE YOU ARE LIVING ON EARTH IN THE FLESH, OR AS A SOUL JUST BEFORE DEATH, WHEN THE SOUL IS ABOUT TO LEAVE THE BODY!
YOU WILL NEVER SEE JESUS CHRIST AT ALL,
BUT SATANSINCE HE IS THE GOD OF THE WORLD AND THE FLESH BELONGS TO HIM,WHILE YOU DENIED JESUS CHRIST THAT TITLE, GOD IN FLESH
THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO!
NEVER MIND THE FATHER IN JESUS CHRST!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 31 2013,21:03) ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER! NO CHRIST NO GOD, NO GOD NO CHRIST! AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
Wrong. The Father existed before he begat the son by simple reason that the son was begotten in the first place.Nowhere is a son needed in order for the Father to exist.
We have father's and we have sons. You should have learned that by now. Only a predefined doctrine can lead a person to not understand the most basic fundamentals that even very small children understand.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,17:19) Charles, There is very rarely ANY scriptural truth in your posts. I honestly don't know where you come up with 99% of what you write.
Agreed. I cannot take this person seriously.
I have never read anything that made sense, but admit that I rarely read his posts, so there could be something of worth.Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 12 2013,13:13) I was raised Baptist. However, I never really got where they were seeing the trinity in scripture. It always seemed clear to me that God literally sent His Son. Never did I see it that God exists in three separate “beings.” This is not a debate about if the trinity is true or not!!! My point is….I love the church environment. I love hearing, as well as reading the word of God. I love the fellowship. I love the singing of hymns. As I search and search for a church, I can not find one that does not believe in the trinity. I look at those religions that do not believe in the trinity; yet they have their own problems (JW, Mormons, Dawn bible students, Christian Scientist, etc).
Is there a church for me? Is there a church that does not believe in the trinity, believes that Jesus rose in the flesh, that you must repent and ask for salvation through Christ? I know that I do not need a “building”. If such a church does not exist, I will continue to do a home bible study. However, I do not want to go and sit in a church in which I disagree with their doctrine. As it has been said 90% true of anything is 100% false!!
I thank everyone here that takes the time to read and/or comment on my post. God is Great!!!
Jb2u,
Have you found a church yet or you still looking?t8,May wrote:[/quote]
Wrong. The Father existed before he begat the son by simple reason that the son was begotten in the first place.[/b]
t8,
WRONG!
WITH THESE WORDS OF YOURS:
The Father existed before, YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT THE FATHER HAD A BEGINNING!
AND IF IT HAD TO BE SO! STILL, ONCE THE FATHER EXISTED HE INCORPORATED HIS SON AS WELL IN THE SAME INSTANT!
THE SON'S SPIRIT ALWAYS ETERNAL WITH THE FATHER'S SPIRIT!
THE FATHER SIMPLY EMANATED HIS SON'S SPIRIT FROM WITHIN!
WE, SPIRIT WISE, EXISTED SINCE THE FIRST ANGEL WAS CREATED: LUCIFER! ONLY OUR FLESH HAD A BEGINNING AND AN END!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
@ carmel
The fact that Jesus came from God changes nothing about God being an eternal spirit.
Your rebuttal makes no sense.
Quote (carmel @ May 30 2013,00:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,12:38) Some already do, Charles. Jesus and his spirit brothers are creatures that can see their God right now.
NO MIKE, YOU ARE WRONG!NO ONE WILL EVER SEE THE FATHER SINCE HE IS SPIRIT!
Matthew 18:10
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Are you sure, Charles? Jesus seems to disagree with you.
Quote (t8 @ May 30 2013,20:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,07:28) But what about this verse:
Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……..Does the fact that God was said to have spoken to us through His Son “in these last days”, and not “in the past”, prohibit Jesus from being any of the angels of the LORD in the OT?
I don't know. What do you guys think?
Good question. My immediate reaction is that it doesn't rule it out because this verse seems to be talking exclusively about messengers who are men. God has after all used heavenly angels like Gabriel to deliver messages and they don't get a mention in this verse.
I also find it hard to believe that Jesus was just “hiding in the shadows” during the OT times. I can't say I KNOW that he was the angel of Jehovah who went before the Israelites in the wilderness, but I don't think Hebrews 1 completely rules it out either.Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.These don't sound like the words of a person who was just “hiding in the shadows” while Israel was being established. To me, they sound like the words of a person who was personally invested in Israel, and most likely personally involved with them the whole way.
But what do I know?
Quote (carmel @ May 31 2013,09:57) ONCE THE FATHER EXISTED HE INCORPORATED HIS SON AS WELL IN THE SAME INSTANT!
The day God begot His firstborn Son Jesus Christ is the day He became a Father.Before that time, there was only God. Jesus was created as the first of God's works. He is the firstborn of every creature. He is the beginning of the creation by God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2013,14:25) I also find it hard to believe that Jesus was just “hiding in the shadows” during the OT times. I can't say I KNOW that he was the angel of Jehovah who went before the Israelites in the wilderness, but I don't think Hebrews 1 completely rules it out either. Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.These don't sound like the words of a person who was just “hiding in the shadows” while Israel was being established. To me, they sound like the words of a person who was personally invested in Israel, and most likely personally involved with them the whole way.
But what do I know?
Good post.Further, Jesus said scripture speaks of him to the Pharisees didn't he? Can't remember the scripture though.
You know, I always assumed Jesus was talking about the future prophecies of the OT that spoke about him. But there could be more to it. Perhaps Jesus was mentioned as an angel of Jehovah in certain OT scriptures, and his words to the Pharisees also alluded to those times. Could be.
picture this why would God send his only begotten son he has ;wen he as millions and millions of angels beings
?could it have been all done by someone else than Jesus the son of God
i believe he was the only one that could do it ,because of the status of his rang ;MK 10:43 “But it is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant;
MK 10:44 and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be slave of all.
MK 10:45 “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”if no one intervene for men then how men can be saved
Quote (t8 @ June 01 2013,11:05) [/quote] t8,June wrote:Quote The fact that Jesus came from God changes nothing about God being an eternal spirit. t8,
SO IF GOD EXISTED ETERNALLY, HIS WORD EXISTED ALSO ETERNALLY!
DO YOU AGREE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus seems to disagree with you. Mike,
YES!
I LIKE YOUR OWN WORDS:
JESUS SEEMS!
YOU ALSO SEEMS THAT YOU ARE EXTREEMLY ANXIOUS TO QUENCH THE THIRST OF YOUR CARNAL WORLDLY WISDOM AND GRIP ONTO THE LEAST EDGE OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO!
SO SINCE AS YOU SAID JESUS SEEMS IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN THAT THE ANGELS SEE THE FACE OF GOD ALMIGHTY! DOSE IT?
I AM NOT GOING TO POST THE ENTIRE COMMENTS WHICH EXIST REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT BY JESUS,
BUT IT IS WELL KNOWN BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY WELL KEEN IN SCRIPTURE INTERPRATION THAT THE WORDS:
SEE THE FACE OF MY FATHER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY STATEMENT THAT:
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE THE FATHER
THE FACT THAT HE STATED THE FACE OF MY FATHER IS ALREADY A HELL OF A DIFERENECE
IT IS LIKE WHEN JACOB SAID :
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: FOR I HAVE SEEN GOD FACE TO FACE, and my life is preserved.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT JACOB NEVER REALLY RESTLED WITH GOD ALMIGHTY DID HE MIKE?
SO NO MIKE:
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE GOD ALMIGHTY ETERNALLY
EXCEPT IN JESUS CHRIST THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS INCLUDING THE ONLY VISIBLE IMAGE OF GOD ALMIGHTY
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Charles
Quote (t8 @ June 01 2013,11:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2013,14:25) I also find it hard to believe that Jesus was just “hiding in the shadows” during the OT times. I can't say I KNOW that he was the angel of Jehovah who went before the Israelites in the wilderness, but I don't think Hebrews 1 completely rules it out either. Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.These don't sound like the words of a person who was just “hiding in the shadows” while Israel was being established. To me, they sound like the words of a person who was personally invested in Israel, and most likely personally involved with them the whole way.
But what do I know?
Good post.Further, Jesus said scripture speaks of him to the Pharisees didn't he? Can't remember the scripture though.
Hi T8, I believe this is the Scripture to which you are referring to:“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not
come to me, that ye might have life.” (John 5:39-40)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ May 31 2013,19:14) Jb2u,
Have you found a church yet or you still looking?
That would be a NO to both.I have not found a church..and, I'm not still looking.
I have accepted the fact that the “church system” has been influenced by a corruption of God's word. I am still amazed at how many “intelligent” Christians/pastors/theologians out there that have been fooled by this doctrine of the trinity. I watch these people on t.v. and look up the verses they say “prove” that Jesus is God. I find myself sitting there shaking my head in disbelief. How can they see, “Jesus is God” in this verse?? At times, I see verses that would appear to allude to Jesus is God, but when you read the context around that verse it becomes clear. But…I guess people will see what they want to see!!
jb2u,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote that have been fooled by this doctrine of the trinity Jbtu,
WHAT KIND OF A PERSON ARE YOU TO ESATBLISH THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOOLED?
ARE YOU THAT WISE OR RATHER WITH EVERY RESPECT, A BIGHEAD,TO IGNORE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS WHICH IT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL NOT TO JUDGE
SIMPLY TO SATISFY YOUR OWN CORRUPTED MIND WHICH WHAT ALL HUMANS COMMONLY POSSESS, INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT REGARDING GOD,WE CAN ONLY SEE IN RELATION TO HOW MUCH IN REALITY LOVE HIM IN THE TRUTH? SOMETHING THAT ONLY HE IS THE JUDGE OF IT?
NOW REGARDING THE TRINITY:
A PAINTER NEEDS TO PAINT A PARTICULAR SPOT, AND HE NEEDS TO CROSS OVER TO ANOTHER SPOT, SO HE USES HIS LADDER AS A BRIDGE
WHAT WOULD YOU ESTABLISH REGARDING THE ACTUAL USE OF THE LADDER, STILL AS A LADDER ALTHOUGH IT IS USED AND IT IS IN FACT A BRIDGE?
ISN'T IT PROPER THEREFORE FOR TWO PERSON, IF ONE CONSIDER IT A BRIDGE, AND THE OTHER CONSIDER IT STILL A LADDER NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT BEING USED AS A LADDER?
ALSO IT ISN'T RATHER MORE APPROPRIATE THAT ONCE A PERSON OWNS A LADDER CAN ALSO USE IT AS A BRIDGE, AS A PLANK TO WORK UPON, AND SO ON, BUT STILL REMAINS A LADDER?
SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TRINITY?
IF GOD ALTHOUGH IS ONE OPTS TO FUNCTION ALSO AS THREE? AND REMAINS ALSO BOTH ONE AND GOD?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 02 2013,05:00) t8, SO IF GOD EXISTED ETERNALLY, HIS WORD EXISTED ALSO ETERNALLY!
DO YOU AGREE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
@ CharlesHis word was part of him. An attribute. Likewise, so is wisdom, truth, and love.
But at some point the Word was WITH God.
It also says wisdom being part of God was BEGOTTEN and was WITH God as the WORKMAN at his side. Further, Jesus said he was the TRUTH. But we know that truth is an attribute of God.So what is going on here is that Jesus was begotten. He was the first work of the Father. He came from God and then he came here. And if he came 100% from God, then obviously he is like God. Very like God. In fact he is the express image of the invisible God. If you have seen him, you have seen the invisible Father.
The second century fathers knew this when they spoke words like this:
But He came into being by participation, not by cutting off, for what is cut off is separated from the original substance, but that which comes by participation, making its choice of function, does not render him deficient from whom it is taken. For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Word, coming forth from the Word-Power of the Father, has not divested of the Word-Power Him who begat Him.
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