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Quote (carmel @ May 26 2013,22:44) terraricca,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote that is all you have my friend;glimpses. TERRARICCA,
HOW PROUD I AM FOR JESUS' SAKE
IN ORDER TO REACH GOD THE FATHER
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charleswe can not reach God the father ,unless we accept all the teachings of Christ and believe those teachings ;practice them,
and share them.convinced in ones errors does not cut it ,
it is all about GOD'S TRUTH NOT OURS OR ANYONE ELSE
BUT GOD'S TRUTH, ANYTHING ELSE HIS AN LIE,
Quote (carmel @ May 26 2013,05:53) Jb2u, Read just in case you forgot to respect the context of 1 Corinthians : like you did with my post
1 Corinthians 23:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: 24But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, CHRIST THE POWER OF GOD, AND THE WISDOM OF GOD.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Christ was exalted to the power of God…that is why HE now sits at the right hand of GOD!!Christ is the wisdom of God….for scripture tells us that God will raise Jesus up in wisdom….and Jesus BECAME wisdom for us!!!
Isaiah 11:2
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:Luke 2:52
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.I stand by what I said about the context and ORIGINAL intent of Paul's letter!!
Quote (carmel @ May 26 2013,05:45) carmel,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1 Corinthians 1 23But we preach Christ crucified, Jb2u,
IT PROVES THAT YOU HAVE ONLY ONE INTEREST!
TO CONTRADICT ME, WITHOUT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND MY POST!
THE ABOCE SCRIPTURE IS:
PURE GOD'S WISDOM
DO YOU DENY THAT IT IS SO
ANSWER :
YES OR NO!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I am NOT here to just contradict you!!! I actually have no interest in it at all. I see no real value in either reading your bizarre translations or beating my head against a wall.What I do know is that I started this thread about a non-trinitarian church, and you decided to bring your “wisdom” here. However, you forgot that it is not good enough to just post scripture and then redefine what it means. It is even more irresponsible to say that the scripture says things that it does not actually say!!! That being said, feel free to continue with your sad distortion of God's word. I will leave you to it!!
To answer your question….
I believe GOD's wisdom can be found in prayer and the Bible. I can not find any wisdom in your posts.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,04:33) [/quote] mikeboll64,May wrote:Quote Why Charles? Why is it important for you to reach “God the Father” – if Jesus is the exact same thing? Mike,
I hate to say it to you!
BUT YOU ARE BLIND TO DEATH!
CAN YOU IMAGINE GOD THE FATHER DEFINITELY NOT! NEVER, NEVER, AND NEVER, NOT NOW, AND NOT ON THE LAST DAY, AND FOR ETERNITY! SIMPLY BECAUSE THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT AND REMAINS A SPIRIT
NOW:
CAN YOU IMAGINE ANY FIGURE, NO MATTER WHAT WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD SATISFY YOU WITH, AND MAKE YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST?
OPPOSITE MIKE,
DEFINITELY YES SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
NOW:
AS SON AS YOU DO THIS YOU ARE ALSO IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD THE FATHER AS SIMPLE AS THAT!AND THERE’S NO ALTERNATIVE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FATHER!
KEEP IN MIND, THAT IF YOU INSIST ON YOUR BELIEF YOU WOULD NEVER SEE JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE IT IS UP TO HIM WHETHER YOU SEE HIM (JESUS) OR NOT !
John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip,
HE THAT SEETH ME SEETH THE FATHER ALSO.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
John 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw
ALL THINGS ONTO MYSELF INCLUDING THE ESSENCE OF GOD THE FATHER
SO YES MIKE :
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE FATHER IN FLESH!
AND ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF YOU WOULD BE UNITED IN EVERY WAY WITH THE FATHER WHILE ON EARTH!
HE IS THE UNIQUE IMAGE OF GOD AVAILABLE GOD NEVER HAD ANY IMAGE, NOT EVEN A NAME! AND THE ONLY IMAGE, AND NAME HE OWNS NOW, AND ON THE LAST DAY, AND FOR ETERNITY IS:
JESUS CHRIST: THE ONLY TRUE GOD VISIBLE [/B
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,
Too many words, my friend. Try to answer my question in a simple sentence or two, please.
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Christ was exalted to the power of God. Jb2u,
ACCORDING TO YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM, IT IS A MILE AWAY IN RESPECT TO GOD'S WISDOM
SO:
EXPLAIN HOW CHRIST WAS EXALTED TO THE POWER OF GOD!
SHOW US YOUR WORLDLY WISOM!
SHOW US HOW YOU LIVE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!
THE ONLY GOD'S SOURCE WITHIN US IN EVERY SENSE!
IN CASE YOU FORGOT:
ANSWER MY LAST POST!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote =mikeboll64,May 28 2013,12:06] Quote Too many words, my friend. Try to answer my question in a simple sentence or two, please. Mike,
NOT TO MANY WORDS!
WE ARE DISCUSSING GOD, NOT MAN!
GOD HAS NO LIMITS!
HE SHOULD BE GIVEN ALL , SINCE HE GAVE ALL!
OR IS IT RATHER:
TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO CONTRADICT!
IT'S ALL TRUTH!
YOU DO NOT HAVE LOVE FOR JESUS CHRIST MORE THEN YOU HAVE FOR YOUR CARNAL UNERSTANDING NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THE WORD GOD IN FLESH, BECAME MAN LIKE YOU IN ORDER TO MAKE YOU LIKE HIM god in flesh
LIKE YOU ARE OF THE WORLD!
SO UNLESS YOU FORGET YOURSELF
ENTIRELY FOR JESUS SAKE YOU WOULD NEVER BECOMEgod in both spirit and flesh, of heaven
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote I am NOT here to just contradict you!!! I actually have no interest in it at all. I see no real value in either reading your bizarre translations or beating my head against a wall. Jb2u,
NOT UNLESS YOU PROOF IT
DO YOU KNOW THE STORY OF THE FOX, WHICH NO MATTER HOW HIGH HE JUMPED IN ORDER TO EAT THE CLUSTER OF GRAPES BUT IT WAS ALL IN VAIN, THAT HE HAD ONE CONSOLATION, AND SAID:
IT IS SOUR
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote
(1) Charles, God being the “head of” Christ means the same thing as Christ being the “head of” man.The words “head of” mean “boss of”, or “ruler of”.
(2) Christ being the head of man doesn't mean men and Christ are two different parts of the same being.
(3) Neither does God being the head of Christ mean that God and Christ are two different parts of the same being.
Mike,
IS THIS TOO MUCH TRUTH FOR YOU!
I AM WAITING FOR YOU TO GIVE ME SOME REAL LIGHT!
OF YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM
(1) God is the head of Christ : GOD IS THE SOUL OF CHRIST, IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, AS MAN ON EARTH!
Christ is the head of man: CHRIST IS THE SOUL OF MAN THROUGH THE SON’S SPIRIT : ADAM WAS THE FIRST SOUL,THE SON’S SPIRIT, GOD’S SUBSTANCE
SO THERE’S NO RULER, AND BOSS, BUT LIFE, and LOVE.FROM GOD ONTO MAN, EX LUCIFER!
(2) Christ is the soul of man: THE SON’S SPIRIT THROUGH CREATION, GOD’S SUBSTANCE!
Man is flesh, matter: THE SON’S SPIRIT SUBSTANCE TRANSFORMED AS MATTER IN CREATION!
SO BOTH THE SOUL OF MAN, AND THE FLESH OF MAN ARE THE EX SON’S SPIRIT THROUGH CREATION!
ADAM WAS CREATED AND MADE THE IMAGE OF GOD IN BOTH SOUL AND FLESH MALE AND FEMAL, RESPECTIVELY: BOTH EX SON’S SPIRIT THROUGH CREATION!
Genesis 1:26 And he said:
Let us MAKE!!! A REFERENCE TO THE FLESH SINCE HE used the word make and he would be IN CONTROL OVER THE MATERIAL WORLD! SATAN'S THEREFORE OVER SATAN
man to our image and likeness:……………..SPIRIT, THROUGH THE WORD
27: And God CREATED!!! A REFERENCE TO THE SOUL
man to his own image:
to the image of God he created him: ALL SPIRITUAL SINCE GOD IS A SPIRIT
male and female he created them. a refrence to the SOUL and FLESH IN ADAM!
SO ALTHOUGH THEY ARE BOTH FROM THE SON’S SPIRIT , THEY STILL ARE OPPOSITE ONE SPIRIT, SOUL and ONE FLESH ,MATTER!
ALL BY HIM , ALL MATTER BY HIM, BY HIS SPIRIT
ALL IN HIM, ALL SOULS IN HIS SPIRIT,
ALL FOR HIM! ALL FOR HIS MYSTICAL BODY, THE CHURCH, THE BRIDE, THE SON’S KINGDOM , FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN ON THE LAST DAY
(3) GOD IS THE SOUL (THE HOLY SPIRIT,) OF CHRIST,
CHRIST IS THE WORD MADE FLSH, THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH,
SO THE FLESH BODY, AS STATED ABOVE ALL MATTER, IS THE EX SON’S SPIRIT THROUGH CREATION IN THE BODY OF MARY! THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN!
SO SINCE THE SON’S SPIRIT, THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD WAS TRANSFORMED IN ALL MATTER IN CREATION, HE ,WHILE ON EARTH WAS:
FLESH BODY OPPOSITE TO GOD, HIS SOUL, THE HOLY SPIRIT!
SO YES MIKE:
God and Christ are two different parts of the same being.
ALL OF GOD’S GENUINE UNIQUE SUBSTANCE
SO THE WORD HEAD IN 1Corinthians 11:3 is a reference to the soul, IN ORDER TO ASSERT THAT THE CHURCH MUST BE ESTABLISHED ACCORDING TO THE SOUL CONCEPT SPIRITUAL NOT TO THE FLESH CONCEPT, LIKE THEY USED TO LIVE IN THE OT!
Which Paul was struggling to establish within the church ,which was entirely carnal, due to the fact that Peter’s flaw character, was not suitable to achieve.
The reason that he opted to be crucified upside down!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote It is even more irresponsible to say that the scripture says things that it does not actually say!!! Jb2u,
WHICH SCRIPTURE ARE YOU REFERRING TO!
THERE ARE CONFUSION OF SCRIPTURES!
I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER I AM DISCERNING!
AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CONTRADICT ME TO PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE SHARE BOTH WISDOMS!
ONCE YOU QUIT!
YOU ARE NOT IN THE TRUTH!
I AM NOT QUITTING, NO MATTER WHAT!
Matthew 10:19 19But when they shall deliver you up, take no thought how or what to speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what to speak. 20For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.
Galatians 1:10 10For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Paul Defends his Ministry
11For I give you to understand, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For neither did I receive it of man, nor did I learn it; but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote I believe GOD's wisdom can be found in prayer and the Bible. Jb2u,
I'M AFRAID THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH
YOU STILL NEED THE MOST VITAL ELEMENT WHICH BELONG TO GOD ALMIGHTY IN THE TRUTH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 28 2013,00:35) Mike, IS THIS TOO MUCH TRUTH FOR YOU!
Charles,There is very rarely ANY scriptural truth in your posts. I honestly don't know where you come up with 99% of what you write.
Quote (carmel @ May 28 2013,00:35) I AM WAITING FOR YOU TO GIVE ME SOME REAL LIGHT!
Okay, here goes: Charles, go back to the beginning and start over. You need to re-read the scriptures, my friend. Oh, and this time, believe what THEY say – not your over-active imagination.Charles,
I'm still waiting for the non-novel answer to why you feel it is important to reach God the Father, when you believe the Son, Servant, Prophet, Lamb, Anointed One and Priest OF God the Father is the same exact thing.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Okay, here goes: Charles, go back to the beginning and start over. Mike,
You do that in order to justify your worldly wisdom!
PICK VERSE BY VERSE AND CONTRADICT ME OTHERWISE
SINCE YOU ARE IN THE TRUTH!
I AM WAITING!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote I'm still waiting for the non-novel answer to why you feel it is important to reach God the Father, Mike,
Do you believe that eventually there would be a time that the creatures see the Father?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 29 2013,13:33) Mike, Do you believe that eventually there would be a time that the creatures see the Father?
Some already do, Charles. Jesus and his spirit brothers are creatures that can see their God right now.But that doesn't answer my question………. AGAIN.
You think Jesus IS God Almighty, right? And you believe you already “HAVE” Jesus, right?
Why then, is it important for you to get to the Father, when you already have “God Almighty” without reaching the Father?
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Some already do, Charles. Jesus and his spirit brothers are creatures that can see their God right now. Mike,
NO MIKE, YOU ARE WRONG!
NO ONE WILL EVER SEE THE FATHER SINCE HE IS SPIRIT!
ETERNALLY NEVER
THEY SEE JESUS CHRIST ONLY! HE IS THE ONLY UNIQUE IMAGE OF GOD!
BUT ONCE THEY SEE JESUS CHRIST THEY SEE THE FATHER! IN HIM THOUGH!
BUT ONLY SINCE THEY ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN THE FLESH!
SO ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES SEE ONLY JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR GOD! NOT THE FATHER! ON THE THRONE THE FATHER IS NOT VISIBLE! ONLY FOR JESUS IS VISIBLE!
HE IS IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER! HE IS THE MOST POWERFULL SPIRIT BEING SINCE HE OWNS ALSO THE FLESH BODY!
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!
NO ONE CAN EVER SEE THE FATHER! EXCEPT AS JESUS CHRIST!
THERE'S NOT ONE SENTENCE WHICH CLEARLLY ASSERT THAT ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD BE VISIBLE FOR ANY CREATURE TO SEE HIM!
LUCIFER REBELLED FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON,
BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SEE THE FATHER
AND LUCIFER WAS THE MASTERPIECE OF GOD!
THE FIRST EVER ANGEL TO BE CREATED!
Quote
Why then, is it important for you to get to the Father, when you already have “God Almighty” without reaching the Father?IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO SEE THE FATHER, SINCE IF ANY CREATURE COULD BE IN THE POSITION TO SEE THE FATHER, HE DIES!
IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET TO THE FATHER,(IN THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST) BECAUSE IT JUSTIFIES THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS SENT BY HIM! AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
BUT TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH IS FIRST AND FORMOST
BUT ONCE YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH
YOU WOULD SEE THE
ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
AND THEN YOU WILL BELIEVE THAT THE FATHER HAS SENT HIM!
FOR THAT PURPOSE! TO BE VISIBLE FOR ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES
IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH
YOU WILL NEVER SEE JESUS CHRIST AT ALL, THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO!
NEVER MIND THE FATHER IN JESUS CHRST!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,07:28) But what about this verse:
Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……..Does the fact that God was said to have spoken to us through His Son “in these last days”, and not “in the past”, prohibit Jesus from being any of the angels of the LORD in the OT?
I don't know. What do you guys think?
Good question. My immediate reaction is that it doesn't rule it out because this verse seems to be talking exclusively about messengers who are men. God has after all used heavenly angels like Gabriel to deliver messages and they don't get a mention in this verse.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,17:23) Charles, I'm still waiting for the non-novel answer to why you feel it is important to reach God the Father, when you believe the Son, Servant, Prophet, Lamb, Anointed One and Priest OF God the Father is the same exact thing.
Let's hear it Charles. It is a fair question.Quote (carmel @ May 28 2013,05:32) HE THAT SEETH ME SEETH THE FATHER ALSO. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
John 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw
ALL THINGS ONTO MYSELF INCLUDING THE ESSENCE OF GOD THE FATHER
SO YES MIKE :
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE FATHER IN FLESH!
Oh I see. The son is really the Father, but with a body. And when he is clothed in that body he doesn't know as much like when Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the son, only the Father.Just as well, the son knows how to transform back to the Father because if he didn't know that also, he wouldn't know when to return would he.
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