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- kerwin,May wrote:
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Quote None of them would remain what they are if converted to matter. Kerwin,
FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!
WHATEVER GOD CREATED, HE CREATED THROUGH HIS OWN SPIRIT IN VARIOUS MODES!
IN DOING SO, HE ENRICHED HIMSELF, without any kind of diminish!
So scripture says:
COLOSSIANS 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the
SON OF HIS LOVE,
SO JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD'S LOVE
THE SON OF LOVE
AND IF THE SON OF GOD THE WORD IS GOD!
THE SON OF LOVE THE WORD IS LOVE!
SO JESUS IS LOVE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
david,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Why do you think he will be flesh when he returns? Do you think he is flesh now, in heaven? David,
God can create a whole univers as soon as he pronounce
his word!Jesus owns the flesh body eternally!
Anytime he wants he can manifest himself in the flesh body! no matter where he is .
he was in hell in his flesh body to demonstrate that he is superior to all what he himself created!
The fire is his own element in order to be the perfect judge of all his creatures!
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Daniel 3:25 He answered, and said: Behold I see four men loose, and walking in the midst of the fire, and there is no hurt in them, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
So scripture is clear: THE SON OF GOD WAS IN THE MIDST OF FIRE
THE FOUR FIGURES REPRESENT:
THE FATHER SPIRIT
THE HOLY SPIRIT
THE SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote You really lose me when you start talking about angels being sent to be the apostles. Surely you jest!!! Jb2u,
Read:
Genesis 28:12 And he saw in his sleep a ladder standing upon the earth, and the top thereof touching heaven:
THE ANGELS ALSO OF GOD ASCENDING AND DESCENDING BY IT;
NOW: Reflect who was SYMBOLICALLY the ladder?
Why the angels were doing so?
JUST FOR FUN?
OR TO TELL US WHAT WAS GOING ON FROM ADAM'S SIN ONWARDS RIGHT FROM ABEL
HOW ON EARTH GOD COULD BE BORN AS MAN IN JESUS AND ESTABLISH HIS CHURCH UNLESS HE SENT HIS OWN SEED FROM HEAVEN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!
TO CREATE THE GENERATION OF HEAVEN!
THE GENERATION OF EARTH WAS ALL FROM HELL!
John 8:23And he said to them: You are from beneath, (HELL) I am from above. ( HEAVEN)You are of this world, I am not of this world
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 18 2013,07:13) Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2013,07:27) Quote “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up
into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”Edj,
Explain:
the moment Jesus left them HE WAS VISIBLE AND ALSO A CLOUD received HIM and carried him!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,“A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us” (John 16:16-17)Jesus was seen in a cloud of believers, and he is seen again in a cloud of believers. (Heb.12:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,09:02) Quote (Ed J @ May 17 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:42) Quote (Ed J @ May 17 2013,06:10) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2013,20:50) Hi Kerwin, Do you believe that Jesus can only be in one place at a time?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,Jesus is only in one place as a time. Mosses was his fore-type and while Moses stood with Joshua in one place the spirit that was on Moses went to rest on the Seventy elders that God chose. This bothered Joshua but Mosses expressed his hope that one day that same Spirit would come to rest on all God's children. God gave Jesus the authority to choose who would receive it and rule them through it. In this way Jesus lives in those that believe even though he is in one place at one time, just as Mosses was in his age.
Hi Kerwin,So even though Jesus is “God's Son” – he doesn't have God qualities? – Is this verse not true?
“What he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19)Can YHVH not be in more than one place at a time?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Jesus is like God in true holiness and righteousness and he is king of all things in heaven and earth but he is a creature and God is not.
Jesus has the Spirit working for him and that along gives him quite a lot of power. The angels and living beasts also do his bidding. God is still his Council and Ruler. That is more than enough to rule his kingdom.
So your answer is “No” then?
Ed J,The answer to the question “Does Jesus have all of God's characteristics” is no he does not.
Can YHVH not be in more than one place at a time?jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote The true believers that are mentioned are NOT just the apostles. Everyone that believes the truth, that Jesus is the SON of God are the true believers. We are all His!! Jb2u,
What's that got to do WITH WHAT JESUS MEANT
WE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT JESUS MEANT, NOT WHO THE BELIEVERS ARE, AND WHAT THE APPOSTLES ARE!
THE POINT IS THAT:
THE ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD BE KNOWN AS HE NEVER WAS KNOWN BEFORE!
HE WAS AN UNKNOWN MYSERIOUS SPIRIT!
HE WAS HANDICAPPED SINCE THERE WAS SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD OF THE WORLD!
BUT THROUGH THE WORD MADE FLESH GOD IN FLESH, JESUS CHRIST,AND HIS PROCESS OF THE ETERNAL LIFE,HE ERADICATED SATAN, AND ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
THEREFORE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER,HE BECAME GOD OF BOTH SPIRIT AND CARNAL CREATURES IN JESUS CHRIST'S UNIQUE MYSTICAL BODY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,11:07) Jesus owns the flesh body eternally!
But what do you say about these facts that are taught in scripture?1) It is written that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.
2) It is written that there is a physical body and then a spiritual and that the physical is first.
Quote (t8 @ May 19 2013,04:15) Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,11:07) Jesus owns the flesh body eternally!
But what do you say about these facts that are taught in scripture?1) It is written that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.
2) It is written that there is a physical body and then a spiritual and that the physical is first.
T8,That is a poor translation. It weakens your argument to use it.
Here is what Strong's says:
Quote psuchikos: natural, of the soul or mind
Original Word: ψυχικός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: psuchikos
Phonetic Spelling: (psoo-khee-kos')
Short Definition: animal, natural, sensuous
Definition: animal, natural, sensuous.and
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). 5591 /psyxikós (“natural”) typically describes the natural (“lower”) aspect of humanity, i.e. behavior that is “more of earth (carnality) than heaven.” 5591 (psyxikós) then sometimes stands in contrast to 4152 /pneumatikós (“spiritual”) – the higher, spiritual aspect of humanity that develops through faith (4102 /pístis).
and
Quote Word Origin
from psuché
Definition
natural, of the soul or mind
NASB Translation
natural (5), worldly-minded (1).There is no physical there.
Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,02:23) kerwin,May wrote:.
Quote The answer to the question “Does Jesus have all of God's characteristics” is no he does not. Kerwin:
John 17:10And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Hebrews 1:2n these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed
HEIR OF ALL THINGS
by whom also he made the world
it says: ALL THINGS IN BOTH CASES!
SO JESUS OWNS ALSO THE TITLE OF GOD! never mind God's attributes!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,God cannot be tempted. This is a characteristic Jesus did not have.
Jesus was tempted even as we are. This is a characteristic God cannot have.Just that is enough to reveal Jesus is not God.
Quote (Ed J @ May 19 2013,08:35) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,09:02) Quote (Ed J @ May 17 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:42) Quote (Ed J @ May 17 2013,06:10) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2013,20:50) Hi Kerwin, Do you believe that Jesus can only be in one place at a time?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,Jesus is only in one place as a time. Mosses was his fore-type and while Moses stood with Joshua in one place the spirit that was on Moses went to rest on the Seventy elders that God chose. This bothered Joshua but Mosses expressed his hope that one day that same Spirit would come to rest on all God's children. God gave Jesus the authority to choose who would receive it and rule them through it. In this way Jesus lives in those that believe even though he is in one place at one time, just as Mosses was in his age.
Hi Kerwin,So even though Jesus is “God's Son” – he doesn't have God qualities? – Is this verse not true?
“What he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19)Can YHVH not be in more than one place at a time?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Jesus is like God in true holiness and righteousness and he is king of all things in heaven and earth but he is a creature and God is not.
Jesus has the Spirit working for him and that along gives him quite a lot of power. The angels and living beasts also do his bidding. God is still his Council and Ruler. That is more than enough to rule his kingdom.
So your answer is “No” then?
Ed J,The answer to the question “Does Jesus have all of God's characteristics” is no he does not.
Can YHVH not be in more than one place at a time?
Kerwin?ED J
* We are because YHVH always is.
* There is nothing, even vacuum, that can exist where YHVH is not.
* For all intent and purposes YHVH is existence.
* In this way YHVH is everywhere though he chose to place his seat in heaven.Yet at the same time YHVH lives in certain creations via his Spirit.
Jesus is a human being who entered heaven in body, not out of body. Like YHVH he lives in those that believe by the Spirit. He is not for all intent and purposes existence.
kerwin,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote God cannot be tempted. This is a characteristic Jesus did not have.
Jesus was tempted even as we are. This is a characteristic God cannot have.Just that is enough to reveal Jesus is not God.
Kerwin,
You are confused I'm afraid for the simple reason that JESUS WAS FULLY MAN and FULLY GOD
JESUS HAD TO MANIFEST BOTH ATTRIBUTES WHILE ON EARTH!
THE SON AND THE FATHER GLORIFIED BOTH THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND UNIFIED BOTH ATTRIBUTES IN ONE
MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD MADE FLESH !
SO JESUS IS RECONCILING THE ENTIRE MATTERIAL WORLD AND SPIRITUAL WORLD THROUGH HIS UNIQUE MYSTICAL BODY
TO CLARIFY:
JESUS, RIGHT NOW IS EXPERIENCING ALL THE ENTIRE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES TO THE LEAST DETAIL CONTINUEOUSLY TO RECONCILE ALL TO THE FATHER!
SO ALL SPIRITUAL AND FLESH GENERAL BEHAVIOUR NO MATTER WHAT, HE EXPERIENCE IT!
THROUGH THIS PROCESS HE( JESUS ONLY) POURS GRACES ACCORDING TO OUR APPROVAL IN THANKS GIVINGS ESPECIALLY TO OUR SUFFERRINGS IN JESUS NAME ONLY! THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH, SO THE WOLRD MAY KNOW, WHILE THOSE BELIEVERS STILL LIVING ON EARTH,
THAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST! THE ONE WHOM HE HAD SENT! PURPOSELY
IN THIS MANNER WE LIVE IN GOD'S KINGDOM TOTALLY, AND OUR JOY IS FULLY, BOTH WHEN WE ENJOY OURSELVES THROUGH THE MATERIAL AND THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS, AND BOTH IN THE NEGATIVE AND POSSITIVE PROCESS! BUT IN JESUS NAME
THE REASON THAT HE SAID: I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD
SO TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE CAN UDERSTAND:
IF YOU A BELIEVER IN THE TRUTHHURT YOURSELF IN ANY WAY, AND IN SINCERITY SAY THANK YOU JESUS, NOT THANK YOU GOD HE POURS HIS UNIQUE GRACES UPON YOU AND YOU IN RETURN YOU WOULD BE AWARE OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE
SOMETHING POSSITIVE WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU ACCORDINGLY IN RETURN!
I AM EXPERIENCING THIS MYSELF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT !!!
Matthew 6:33Seek ye therefore first the KINGDOM OF GOD, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 7:11I If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, GIVE GOOD THINGS TO THEM THAT ASK HIM?
12All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them. For this is the law and the prophets.
BUT BE AWARE THAT IN THE SAME WAYWHEN WE DO ANYTHING EVIL, NO MATTER WHAT, JESUS ALSO EXPERIENCING IT IN ORDER TO RECONCILE ALL WITH THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER POSTPONE TOTAL DESTRUCTION SIMPLY BECAUSE JESUS ABSORBS ALL OUR EVIL WORK,AND MAKE ALL OUR SINS NULL, BUT JESUS HIMSELF IS SUFFERING ALL THE TIME A DOLORES PASSION, SINCE HE FEELS ALL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES IN FULL
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
t8,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1) It is written that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his. 2) It is written that there is a physical body and then a spiritual and that the physical is first.
t8,
1) FOR SURE LIKE THE ONE HE POSSESSES! BOTH SPIRITUAL AND FLESH
IT COULD BE VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE ANYTIME WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH GOD'S WORK!
John 10:9 I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved:
AND HE SHALL GO IN AND GO OUT,
and shall find pastures.
THE ANGELS DID THIS MANY TIMES, BUT THEY REMAINED AS GHOSTS!
BUT THROUGH OUR PROCESS, THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY ACQUIRE THE FLESH!
SO ALL THE SAINTS THROUGHOUT ALL THESE AGES ARE DEAD FLESH WISE, BUT THEY WILL UNITE AS ONE BODY LIKE THAT OF JESUS OF BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT
2) AGAIN FOR SURE!
WE ARE IN THE PHYSICAL STATE, IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE THE SPIRITUAL, AND THEN UNITE OURSELVES ACCORDINGLY!
1Corinthians15:23 But every one in his own order:
the firstfruits Christ, THE FIRSTFRUITS CHRISTS' ALL THE SAINTS (EX ANGELS)
then they that are of Christ, who have believed in his coming
15:46 Yet that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
FIRST THE FLESH BODY WILL RISE,
afterwards that which is spiritual.
AFTERWORDS WE UNITE WITH OUR SOULS!
THE SAME WAY JESUS CHRIST RESURRECTED!
15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot possess the kingdom of God: neither shall corruption possess incorruption.
SO OUR FLESH AND BLOOD BODY CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN, SINCE IT IS CORRUPTED!
51Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall all indeed rise again: but we shall not all be changed.
WE SHALL ALL ACQUIRE ONLY A NEW FLESH BODY, BUT THE SOUL WOULD BE THE SAME AS ALWAYS BUT SIMPLY PURIFIED, SO WE SHALL NOT ALL( ENTIRELY IN BOTH FLESH AND SOUL) BE CHANGED
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall rise again incorruptible: and we shall be changed.
SO IN THE MOMENT OF THE OF THE LAST TRUMPET, WE WILL RISE WITH A NEW FLESH BODY,FIRST, THEN WE SHALL BE CHANGED SIMPLY BECAUSE OUR SOUL WILL UNITE WITH OUR INCORRUPTED FLESH BODY FOR ETERNITY
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption; and this mortal must put on immortality.
FOR THIS FLESH AND BLOOD BODY MUST PUT ON A NEW FLESH BODY; AND THIS MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, MUST PUT ON ETERNAL LIFE, THEREFORE THE PURIFIED SOUL ON AND UNITE IT WITH THE NEW FLESH BODY AND BECOME A GLORIFIED BODY IN BOTH FLESH AND SPIRITUAL BODY
SO WE WOULD HAVE PUT ON CHRIST GARMENT
Galatians 3:27 for all of you who were baptized into
CHRIST HAVE CLOTHED YOURSELVES WITH CHRIST.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2013,14:23) ED J Like YHVH he lives in those that believe by the Spirit.
Hi Kerwin,Then Christ can live in more than one place at a time or no?
…your answers aren't very clear at best, and appear wishy-washy at worst
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (carmel @ May 19 2013,19:01) Kerwin, You are confused I'm afraid for the simple reason that JESUS WAS FULLY MAN and FULLY GOD
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,100% Man + 100% God equals a 200% God/Man – which is a logic fallacy.
If we are to take the actual meaning of the word “Son”,
that would be 50% of the FATHER and 50% of the Mother.
Son of God [50%] + Son of Man [50%] = a 100% God/Man.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 20 2013,03:05) Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2013,14:23) ED J Like YHVH he lives in those that believe by the Spirit.
Hi Kerwin,Then Christ can live in more than one place at a time or no?
…your answers aren't very clear at best, and appear wishy-washy at worstGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Has the student now become the teacher?
…seems you haven't thought this through far enough.Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2013,01:23) Quote (terraricca @ May 19 2013,00:53) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2013,18:11) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,07:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:37) Yes Kerwin. He was seen ascending on the clouds. He will return the same way, ie: being seen coming on the clouds. Neither of these say anything about Jesus being the only flesh being in a heaven full of spirit beings. In fact, the very idea of that is absurd, if you ask me.
Mike,He was flesh when he ascended.
He will be flesh when he returns.
He will not come to save souls.
He will come to save certain flesh, less it perish from the earth.He disappeared in the clouds and he will appear in the clouds.
Kwhy do you still believe that Christ will come back in the flesh
is this not put Christ back again into a lower level after he was glorified by his father
yes it is,he ,Christ as been glorified and sit on the right hand of his father so he can no longer be a man ,because the reason for it is now gone and done with ,God as given out his hand to us through him ,it is now for us to grab that outreached hand and change our way of live to God's way,
do not crucify Christ again ,by making him flesh again,
T,Jesus will come in the same way he left.
He will come as the Son of man.
Kerwinhe left “INVISIBLE “AND WILL COME BACK ” invisible “
READ REVELATION ,CHRIST AS MANY TITTLES AND “SON OF MAN ” IS ONE OF THEM EITHER IN HEAVEN OR PREVIOUSLY ON EARTH,BUT HE HIS NO LONGER A MAN NO PURPOSE FOR IT .
T,Where is it written he left invisible?
He disappeared in the clouds.
He will reappear in the clouds.The Son of man is a man or he is not the Son of man.
Kerwinhis Christ the son of God
wen on earth he was the son of man and the son of God ,but which tittle is higher
you think Mk 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Lk 24:50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
Lk 24:51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.Ac 1:3 After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
Ac 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
Ac 1:10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
Ac 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven,will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
HOW DID THEY SEE HIM GO TO HEAVEN
ONLY BY DISAPPEARING BEFORE THEIR OWN EYES ,OR BECOME INVISIBLE ? RIGHT Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,02:06) Quote (terraricca @ May 19 2013,05:53) Quote he left “INVISIBLE “AND WILL COME BACK ” invisible “ Terraricca,
CAN YOU SEE SOMETHING INVISIBLE LEAVING AND ALSO COME BACK
I NEVER HEARD SUCH STUPIDITY SORRY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
CharlesChrist was only seen for a moment as he was ascending to heaven and at one point he disappeared,this mean not being physically visible to the naked eye ,and an cloud came and cut him off from view of those on the ground ,THIS IS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ,RIGHT
NO ??Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Rev 21:11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
Rev 21:12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Rev 21:13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.
Rev 21:14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.Rev 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
WEN DO YOU THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN
Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,10:40) Quote (david @ May 18 2013,10:15) Why do you think he will be flesh when he returns? Do you think he is flesh now, in heaven?
David,His body is same body Adam and Eve had when they were created, not the body they had after the fall. Scripture states the pre-fall body was flesh and bone. Scripture also attests Jesus gave evidence his resurrected body is flesh and bone.
Kerwin,I believe Adam's body also consisted of blood – not just flesh and bone. So for you to try and get around the teaching that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, by saying Jesus is only flesh and bone, is odd – to say the least.
Also consider that God created mankind (even before the fall) a little lower than the angels. If Jesus now exists in heaven with a pre-fall body like Adam once had, then Jesus remains “a little lower than the angels”. But that isn't the case, according to scripture.
Also, there is no scriptural evidence that the pre-fall Adam would have lived forever – or that his body was in any way different before he ate of the fruit than it was after he ate of the fruit.
There was the tree of life in the Garden, and perhaps, had things gone differently, God might have eventually allowed humans to eat from that tree and live forever. But God hadn't yet allowed this by the time Satan came and messed it up for us. So the fact God said, “He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever” tells me that, even before the fall, humans hadn't yet achieved the grace of being allowed to live forever.
Quote (carmel @ May 18 2013,14:01) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) What it means is the RULER of Jesus is God.
Mike,I AM DEFINITELY CONVINCED THAT it is absurdly silly of you to think the words “the head of Christ is God” means GOD IS THE RULER OVER CHRIST!
Charles, God being the “head of” Christ means the same thing as Christ being the “head of” man.The words “head of” mean “boss of”, or “ruler of”.
Christ being the head of man doesn't mean men and Christ are two different parts of the same being.
Neither does God being the head of Christ mean that God and Christ are two different parts of the same being.
I don't believe you would have as much trouble understanding these very simple words if not for your pre-conceived doctrine. In other words, your doctrine is what is causing you to understand very sensible words in a very non-sensible way.
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