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[terraricca]

Quote (carmel @ May 13 2013,01:57)

jb2u,May wrote: [/quote] Quote Do you honestly BELIEVE these things that you type? Tell me, is Jesus and the Father the same person to you? Are Jesus and the Father both God? Jb2u, First of all you have to ditinguish the difference between: Jesus Christ and the Father: The Father is the first Person of the Godhead! Jesus christ is the word MADE FLESH the fullness of the  Godhead in flesh, The  Father is Jesus' spirit! The Holy Spirit is Jesus' soul! The Son's spirit  is Jesus' flesh body! Therefore: Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man! Quote Are you saying God came in the form of Jesus, thus separating Himself, but in the end, He will combine Himself back into one person?? YES GOD IN RESPECT TO MY STATEMENT ABOVE, WAS IN THE WORLD WITHIN THE FLESH BODY OF HIS SON, AS THE WORD,THE GODHEAD, JESUS CHRIST, IN FLESHCONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! THE THIRD AND LAST KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GODTHROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT! BUT NO! ALTHOUGH THE SON’S SPIRIT LEFT THE FATHER  BEFORE THE WORLD WAS AS THE TRIUNE GOD IN THE   WORD TO CREATE ALL, HE STILL MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY  OF THE GODHEAD IN THE FATHER! THIS IS THE SECOND KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE SON’S SPIRIT ALSO, GOD IS ETERNALLY ONE ,AND ALSO ETERNALLY THREE  PERSONS, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HIS SON, LEFT HIM ! WHATEVER GOD DOES HE ALWAYS ENRICHES HIMSELF ! IN THE END HE WILL NOT UNITE HIMSELF INTO ONE PERSON, HE NEVER WAS ONE PERSON! HE WILL UNITE HIMSELF INTO ONE MYSTICAL BODY  WHICH CURRENTLY IS OWNED BY HIS SON, GLORIFIED IN A UNIQUE STATE OF BOTH SPIRIT, IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND FLESH, IN THE SON’S SPIRIT! THE TWO KINDS OF FUNCTIONS OF THE TRIUNE GOD MENTIONED ABOVE THE FIRST KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GOD,WAS THROUGH THE FATHER WHEN HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH Peace and love in Jesus Charles

charles

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The Holy Spirit is Jesus' soul!

NO WERE IN SCRIPTURES WILL YOU FIND THIS ;ONLY IN CORRUPTED MIND THAT REFUSES THE ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH OF GOD,AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST

[2besee]

Quote (t8 @ May 10 2013,15:30)

@ 2besee The Vatican is both a religion and a city/state. And it is possible that it owns more than you can imagine. Try this for starters. I haven't read it myself yet. http://guardianlv.com/2013….ortgage

Kerwin and t8, I no longer have a home computer (It is so good, you should try it!)

so I cannot keep up with this conversation but I will be studying Revelations more and if I find anything interesting out regarding Babylon, I will post it when I can.

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ May 13 2013,00:48)

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2013,02:15) Quote (carmel @ May 12 2013,01:42) Terraricca, John 13: 32 If God be glorified in him,( JESUS) God also will glorify him(JESUS) in himself;(GOD) and will he(GOD) glorify him. (JESUS) I WILL EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER! Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles Hi Charles, Please do “EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER”; you adding (Jesus) and (GOD) into the text does not clarify anything. Maybe it's where you got the commas, not sure, but I haven't got a clue as to what you are trying to say? God bless Ed J Quote  Please do “EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER”;     Edj, I am posting 13:31 FIRST! 31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. So through the process of  glorifying the Son by the Father through the Holy Spirit, LIKEWISE, GOD ALSO WOULD BE GLORIFIED! THEREFORE BOTH GOD ( spirit)AND THE SON ( flesh)WOULD BE ENRICHED WITH A CONDITION,STATE, WHICH THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE! Jesus, purposely emphasized on particular SMALL STATEMENTS, THROUGHOUT HIS SPEACHES to make us aware about the hidden things of God   So in 31  he said things and then he repeated them again in 32 to expand and clarify what he wanted to reveal! So this time  he purposely did so to make us realize that he was referring to himself as son of man therefore AS FLESH BODY, not as son of God his soul! OBVIOUS THE FLESH WAS BEING SUBJECTED TO DEATH. Jesus’ fundamental mission was to supply, humanity with a NEW,COMPLETE ETERNAL BODY, notwithstanding the fact that  ADAM RUINED HIS! NOW: The only way for the flesh substance to remain in existence ETERNAL,was to unite it with the soul, SINCE THE SOUL NEVER DIES, and vice versa, the only way for the soul to become visible was to unite it with the flesh! SUBSTANCE, SINCE THE FLESH IS VISBLE. But as we all know,THANKS FOR ADAM! THESE TWO ELEMENTS ARE ENEMIES one from God, GOOD CONCEPT the SOUL, and one from earth, Satan’s EVIL CONCEPT the FLESH! SO THE BATTLE WAS : EITHER SATAN ACQUIRE THE SOUL FOR ETERNITY, AND BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH BUT EVIL,OR GOD ACQUIRE THE FLESH SUBSTANCE FOR ETERNITY TO LEAVE NO DOUBT THAT GOOD IS SUPERIOR TO EVIL! Up to that moment in time, Satan owned BOTH!Again thanks to Adam! Always predestined by God though,  in order to MANIFEST HIS LOVE IN THE TRUTH,TO HIS ENEMIES, when He  HIMSELF, FIRST AS THE WORD  CREATED ALL, THEN AS THE WORD MADE FLESH  became  SUBJECT to his enemies plan, and through it he acquired THE ENTIRE PRODUCT: THE SPIRIT, THE SOUL, AND THE FLESH  IN ONE INSTANT THEREFORE THE ENTIRE CREATION! SO Obvious!  The task which God had to achieve was  the FLESH BODY FIRST, and become GOD OF ALL FLESH ON EARTH! NOT THAT HE NEEDED IT, but for sure to give accordingly all His attributes to all His creatures to become GODS, AND JESUS CHRIST ,THE MEDIATOR, WAS THE FIRST TO ACIEVE IT, THE FIRST PERFECT FULL MAN WITH  THE FULLNESS OF GOD and His ATTRIBUTESwithin him, ON EARTH! HIS  SPIRIT, HIS SOUL AND HIS FLSH BODY!  ALL GOD’S, AND NOTHING LESS IS POSSIBLE ALL IN HIM! ALL BY HIM! AND ALL FOR HIM! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,

Thanks for your explanation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2013,06:02)

Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2013,00:16) “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea,  though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now  henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16) 2 Corinthians 5:16 NASB © Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Thanks Ed.  That scripture goes along way towards confirming that Christ is no longer a flesh and blood human being.

Hi Mike,

So do you agree with this part of my quote then too?

“Jesus second coming was spiritual and it occurred
 at “Pentecost”; NO FLESH RETURN! (John 16:10)”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

Oh I forgot that you also believe that Jesus has already returned. I believe that the reason there is a flood of false teaching is because of the pride of man in these times. And because of that pride, God hands them over to their imaginations and let's them believe powerful delusions.

But for those who desire the truth, they will be saved from this avalanche of false teaching that is happening.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2013,03:04)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2013,06:02) 2 Corinthians 5:16 NASB © Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Thanks Ed.  That scripture goes along way towards confirming that Christ is no longer a flesh and blood human being. Hi Mike, So do you agree with this part of my quote then too? “Jesus second coming was spiritual and it occurred  at “Pentecost”; NO FLESH RETURN! (John 16:10)”

I agree that there will be no flesh return. Jesus hasn't had one ounce of flesh on his body for almost 2000 years. Nor will he “transform” back into a human being for his second coming.

I do not agree that the second coming has already happened.

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ……….

2 do not become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us……….. asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed…..

Paul wrote these words long after Pentecost, Ed.  And as of that time, Jesus had not yet come again.

In fact, Paul was actually WARNING the disciples NOT to believe such deceitful claims……. wasn't he?

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ May 14 2013,10:10)

Oh I forgot that you also believe that Jesus has already returned. I believe that the reason there is a flood of false teaching is because of the pride of man in these times. And because of that pride, God hands them over to their imaginations and let's them believe powerful delusions. But for those who desire the truth, they will be saved from this avalanche of false teaching that is happening.

Hi T8

Yes Jesus has indeed came in the flesh, the bible clearly teaches
that those who say he must come in the flesh are 'antichrist'. (1John 4:3)

  “Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;” (John 16:10)

  “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have
    known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16)

Scriptures like these must be discarded in order to hold to what the systems of religion and the traditions of men teach. (see Col.2:21-22)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

jb2u,May wrote:

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…I see you wisely did not address the fact that you ADDED words to scripture in order to make your point!!!!

Jb2u,

Unless you pin point the particular scripture YOU ARE REFERRING TO to gether with your coments,

It is useless in saying that!

SO BE SPECIFIC !

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

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Quote (2besee @ May 13 2013,13:59)

Kerwin and t8, I no longer have a home computer (It is so good, you should try it!)

The only time that happens to me is when I am travelling somewhere. But the excitement of travelling makes up for no computer.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2013,19:49)

Hi T8 Yes Jesus has indeed came in the flesh, the bible clearly teaches that those who say he must come in the flesh are 'antichrist'. (1John 4:3) “Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;” (John 16:10) “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16) Scriptures like these must be discarded in order to hold to what the systems of religion and the traditions of men teach. (see Col.2:21-22)

But that is different to the second coming Ed J.

You say that Christ has returned. So this is the Millennium to you?

[kerwin]

Quote (2besee @ May 13 2013,05:59)

Quote (t8 @ May 10 2013,15:30) @ 2besee The Vatican is both a religion and a city/state. And it is possible that it owns more than you can imagine. Try this for starters. I haven't read it myself yet. http://guardianlv.com/2013….ortgage Kerwin and t8, I no longer have a home computer (It is so good, you should try it!) so I cannot keep up with this conversation but I will be studying Revelations more and if I find anything interesting out regarding Babylon, I will post it when I can.

2besee,

Thank you for letting us know. I think it is wiser to study the rest of Scripture first and save Revelations for last, and even then handle it with care.

[kerwin]

To all,

I saw nothing for me on this thread. If I missed anything then please

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ May 14 2013,20:43)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2013,19:49) Hi T8 Yes Jesus has indeed came in the flesh, the bible clearly teaches that those who say he must come in the flesh are 'antichrist'. (1John 4:3)  “Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;” (John 16:10)  “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have    known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16) Scriptures like these must be discarded in order to hold to what the systems of religion and the traditions of men teach. (see Col.2:21-22) But that is different to the second coming Ed J. You say that Christ has returned. So this is the Millennium to you?

Hi T8, let's explore this further OK?

Point #1. I take John 16:10 and 2Cor 5:16 as absolute truth,
rather than story-line truth (which I'm assuming you are taking them as).
You must then also take John 18:36 as a connective story-line truth; do you agree?
  Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world:
  if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews:” (<– I will be going more into this later)

Lets follow the context and explore what Jesus says next….
  Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.
  To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness
  unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. (John 18:37)

What “truth” is Jesus referring to here:
  A. Jesus' father's truth
  B. Jesus is talking about himself
  C. Other

So according to Jesus own words:
HE WAS BORN to bear witness unto the truth rather than be “A FLESH KING” (ref. John 6:15) – do you agree so far? (<– please answer)

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So this is the Millennium to you?

Out of YOUR three choices: “Yes”, “No”, or “I don't know” ~ I will choose “No”.
But we can explore this further if you want – after we fully discuss “Point #1”.

I still have many points to connect up to point #1 – if you are willing to explore this further. (ref. Isaiah 1:16-19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,21:01)

What “truth” is Jesus referring to here: A. Jesus' father's truth B. Jesus is talking about himself C. Other

I say A. But if he was referring to truth in general, then add in B, C as well.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,21:01)

I still have many points to connect up to point #1 – if you are willing to explore this further. (ref. Isaiah 1:16-19)

Exploration leads to discoveries Ed J. Hopefully you won't be getting me to chase geese.

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

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Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,21:01) What “truth” is Jesus referring to here:  A. Jesus' father's truth  B. Jesus is talking about himself  C. Other I say A. But if he was referring to truth in general, then add in B, C as well.

       I agree that answer “A” is the correct answer; the answers of “B” and “C” are both speculative at best.

Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,18:01)

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.   To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness   unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. (John 18:37) So according to Jesus own words: HE WAS BORN to bear witness unto the truth rather than be “A FLESH KING” (ref. John 6:15) – do you agree so far? (<– please answer)

       You haven't answered my question – will you please do so?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed J and all,

I am still waiting for Jesus to descend in the same way he ascended.

[Ed J]

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Ed J and all, I am still waiting for Jesus to descend in the same way he ascended.

Hi Kerwin,

“Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up
 into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,
 shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11)

Jesus ascended into Heaven in spirit form, and Jesus returned on “Pentecost” in spirit form – very simple actually!

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“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will
 love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23)

“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
 shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Heb 9:28)

Only those who look for him in spirit form will find him, Kerwin!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2013,04:23)

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,02:58) Ed J and all, I am still waiting for Jesus to descend in the same way he ascended. Hi Kerwin, “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up  into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,  shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11) Jesus ascended into Heaven in spirit form, and Jesus returned on “Pentecost” in spirit form – very simple actually! “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will  love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23) “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him  shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Heb 9:28) Only those who look for him in spirit form will find him, Kerwin! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

“A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”

Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us? (John 16:16-17)

[abe]

Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,09:23)

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,02:58) Ed J and all, I am still waiting for Jesus to descend in the same way he ascended. Hi Kerwin, “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up  into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,  shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11) Jesus ascended into Heaven in spirit form, and Jesus returned on “Pentecost” in spirit form – very simple actually! “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will  love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23) “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him  shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Heb 9:28) Only those who look for him in spirit form will find him, Kerwin! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will
love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23)

Rev.21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

“Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

Do you agree, Ed?

Peace brother..

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