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[carmel]

jb2u,May wrote:

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the world hath not known thee

Jb2u,

What does your words above say?

They say the world has not known you UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME! OK?

NOW THE APPOSTLES KNEW HIM ONLY BECAUSE HE MANIFESTED GOD'S ATTRIBUTES TO THEM!

BUT ONLY THEM, AND THEY WERE ALSO NOT OF THE WORLD

GOD WAS UNKNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN THE ENTIRE WORLD !

GOD OF THE WORLD WAS SATAN FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD.

John17: 3
3Now this is eternal life:

That they may know thee, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST,

SO HE WAS UNKNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
although he was, but only HIM KNEW THIS.

There was no proof of it

TILL JESUS CAME AND REVEALED HIM AND DECLARED HIM SO!

THIS WAS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT JESUS, THE WORD,REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD!

THE OT IS A PROOF OF THIS, SINCE THE FATHER WAS ALL THE TIME SAYING THE MOST COMMON STATEMENT:

Then they will know that I am the LORD,

SO HE WAS NEVER KNOWN! IN THE TRUTH!

the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.[/B]

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[942767]

Hi t8:

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She sits on the city of seven hills.

This could also mean 7 continents. Her influence is worldwide.

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Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Quote where is it written : “in one instant “? and what is it the glory of the father and what is the glory of the son ? if you can not answer this your faith is null Terraricca, I HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT YOU ASKED AT LEAST FOR THESE LAST TWO YEARS THROUHGOUT MY POSTS For now I am posting scriptures which DEMONSTRATES WHAT YOU ASK, and I give you time to PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT SOMTHING YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN READ AND MASTICATE EACH WORD something which you never REALLY did, WITH EVERY RESPECT REFLECT IN DEPT AND LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT talking to you according to WHAT HE HEARS FROM YOU   AGAIN SOMETHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT READY TO DO,SINCE YOU DO NOT PRAY TO HIM!!!!!!!!!! John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; BUT WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE SHALL HEAR, OK? IT ALL DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE WAY YOU BEHAVE IN RESPECT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WHAT YOU ASK HIM!!! HE SHALL SPEAK; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. LIKE HE IS DOING WITH ME, AND TO ME,SINCE I AM ENTIRELY DEPENDING ON HIM SO START READING: John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified,( NOTICE SON OF MAN, NOT SON OF GOD) and God is glorified in him. ONE SAME GLORY! 32 If God be glorified in him,( JESUS) God also will glorify him(JESUS) in himself;(GOD) and IMEDIATELY will he(GOD) glorify him. (JESUS) THAT WAS JOHN 13, NOW READ AGAIN THE SAME WORDS WHICH JESUS EMPHASIZED PURPOSELY SO WE COULD DISCERN THE TRUTH: John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee. IN ONE GLORY, AND IN ONE INSTANT! LIKE A DIRECT IMPACT WITH TWO EQUAL ELEMENTS : ONE IMPACT   BOTH HIT EACH OTHER IN ONE INSTANT! BOTH GAVE AND BOTH RECEIVED EQUALLY! I WILL EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER! Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles

Charles

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PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT SOMTHING YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN

JN 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
AC 8:15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
AC 8:19 saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
AC 19:2 He said to them, “ Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”

YOU DO NOT PRAY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT TO GOD THAT FREELY GIVES TO THOSE WHO ASK OR NEEDED ;BUT IF YOU ASK AND NOT BELIEVE HOW CAN YOU THEN RECEIVE IT YOU CANNOT RECEIVE WHAT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU ,THE TRUTH HIS HOLY BECAUSE GOD HIS HOLY ,UNLESS YOU HAVE CHANGE YOUR SPIRIT IN YOU AND BELIEVED IN GOD AND HIS SON ,YOU CANNOT RECEIVE WHAT IS HOLY FROM GOD ,SO IS YOUR FAITH BASED ON A LIE OR SELF INDULGED KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE MIST THE BOAT.

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REFLECT IN DEPT AND LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT talking to you according to WHAT HE HEARS FROM YOU

THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SEND BY GOD TO THOSE WHO LOVE HIM THROUGH HIS SON ,BUT TRUTH CAN ONLY BE SHARPEN BY TRUTH ,IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

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AGAIN SOMETHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT READY TO DO,SINCE YOU DO NOT PRAY TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!

AGAIN I DO NOT PRAY AT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT TO GOD ,WHO GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WHOM HE PLEASES ,

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OK? IT ALL DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE WAY YOU BEHAVE IN RESPECT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WHAT YOU ASK HIM!!! HE SHALL SPEAK; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. LIKE HE IS DOING WITH ME, AND TO ME,SINCE I AM ENTIRELY DEPENDING ON HIM

THE “HIM” MEANS THE HOLY SPIRIT ” RIGHT THIS IS A TOOL GOD USES NOT A BEING ,IT IS THE TOOL OF TRUTH ,THAT GOD USES TO FULFILL HIS WILL,

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Jn 13:31 When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. Jn 13:32 If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.

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Now is the Son of man glorified,( NOTICE SON OF MAN, NOT SON OF GOD) and God is glorified in him. ONE SAME GLORY! 32 If God be glorified in him,( JESUS) God also will glorify him(JESUS) in himself;(GOD) and IMEDIATELY will he(GOD) glorify him. (JESUS) THAT WAS JOHN 13, NOW READ AGAIN THE SAME WORDS WHICH JESUS EMPHASIZED PURPOSELY SO WE COULD DISCERN THE TRUTH: John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee. IN ONE GLORY, AND IN ONE INSTANT! LIKE A DIRECT IMPACT WITH TWO EQUAL ELEMENTS : ONE IMPACT   BOTH HIT EACH OTHER IN ONE INSTANT! BOTH GAVE AND BOTH RECEIVED EQUALLY!

YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION ,BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW;

THE GLORY IS THIS ; SON OF MAN STANDS FOR ADAM LOST GLORY WITH HIS GOD AND CREATOR,THE GLORY OF THE SON OF GOD HIS THE TOTAL RECOGNITION BY GOD OF HIS SON FOR THE OBEDIENCE UNTIL DEAD ,WHAT FULFILLED THE WILL OF GOD,TO SAVE MEN FROM THE SIN OF DEAD RECEIVED FROM ADAM AND ALSO AS A CONSEQUENCE THERE OWN SINS IN IG
NORANCE ,
NOW THE GLORY OF THE FATHER THROUGH THE SON ,HIS THE FINAL ACCOMPLISHMENT OF GOD'S WORDS IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT HAVE BEEN FULFILLED THROUGH THE SON OBEDIENCE ,AND SO PROVED THAT THE FATHER AND THE SON WORDS HAVE THE TRUTH AND GOD SAYS ; DT 18:18 ‘I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
DT 18:19 ‘ It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.

ZEC 1:6 “But did not My words and My statutes, which I commanded My servants the prophets, overtake your fathers? Then they repented and said, ‘ As the LORD of hosts purposed to do to us in accordance with our ways and our deeds, so He has dealt with us.’ ””’

JER 6:19 “ Hear, O earth: behold, I am bringing disaster on this people,
The fruit of their plans,
Because they have not listened to My words,

THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEINGS AND NOT EQUAL ,THE SON IS SUBMITTED TO THE FATHER ;1CO 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all,

ISA 59:21 “As for Me, this is My covenant with them,” says the LORD: “My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring’s offspring,” says the LORD, “from now and forever.”

JER 23:22 “But if they had stood in My council,
Then they would have announced My words to My people,
And would have turned them back from their evil way
And from the evil of their deeds.
JER 23:30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” declares the LORD, “who steal My words from each other.
JER 25:8 “Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘Because you have not obeyed My words,
JER 25:13 ‘I will bring upon that land all My words which I have pronounced against it, all that is written in this book which Jeremiah has prophesied against all the nations.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF GOD NOT YOURS ;

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ May 12 2013,11:54)

Hi t8: Quote She sits on the city of seven hills. This could also mean 7 continents.  Her influence is worldwide. Quote Rev 17:15   And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

In case you didn't know, Mecca is 'the city of seven hills'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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Quote (942767 @ May 12 2013,11:54) Hi t8: Quote She sits on the city of seven hills. This could also mean 7 continents.  Her influence is worldwide. Quote Rev 17:15   And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, In case you didn't know, Mecca is 'the city of seven hills'. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Marty,

The bible is true, it's what people say about it that is not true.
The spirit of antichrist says Christ must still appear in the flesh.

“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea,
though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now
henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16)

Jesus second coming was spiritual and it occurred
at “Pentecost”; NO FLESH RETURN! (John 16:10)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

What are the Muslims going to do when 'Mecca' gets nuked?

[Ed J]

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What are the Muslims going to do when 'Mecca' gets nuked?

“And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city,
 wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she
 made desolate. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged
 you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus
 with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” (Rev 18:19-21)

[carmel]

terraricca,May wrote:

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YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION ,BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW;

Terraricca,

I RESPECT YOUR INTELIGENCE!

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YOU DO NOT PRAY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT

Matthew12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man,   A PERSON
it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the

Holy Ghost, ALSO A PERSON SINCE JESUS COMPARED HIM WITH A PERSON

it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
   

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AGAIN I DO NOT PRAY AT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT TO GOD ,WHO GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WHOM HE PLEASES

WRONG! YOU PRAY TO GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST  SO YOU ADDRESS GOD AS JESUS CHRIST  THAT IS  HIS NAME IN THE TRUTH!

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT GOD WILL HEAR YOU!

Peace and love in JESUS CHRIST

Charles

[carmel]

mikeboll64,May wrote:

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We do what he says. We believe what he taught us.

Mike,

I AM AFRAID THAT YOUR OWN WORDS CONTRADICT YOU:

WE AS GENTILES, NOT JEWS!

THE ONLY WAY TO PLEASE THE FATHER  IS TO PLEASE JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY WAY TO PRAISE THE FATHER IS TO PRAISE JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY WAY TO LOVE THE FATHER IS TO LOVE JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY WAY TO BELEIVE IN THE FATHER IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY WAY TO ADORE THE FATHER IS TO ADORE JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE JUDGED IN RELATION TO THE ABOVE IS BY JESUS CHRIST

I SAID:

GOD IS THE HEAD OF JESUS CHRIST!

NO GOD (HEAD)NO JESUS CHRIST!

NO JESUS CHRIST( BODY) NO GOD!

THE SAME WITH YOU AND ALL HUMANS:

YOUR HEAD IS NOT YOU WITHOUT YOUR BODY!

YOUR BODY IS NOT YOU WITHOUT YOUR HEAD!

YOUR BODY IS NOT YOU WITHOUT YOUR SOUL!

YOUR SOUL IS NOT YOU WITHOUT YOUR BODY!

WHEN WE FACE OUR ONLY GOD JUDGE JESUS CHRIST OUR SOUL HIS SUBSTANCE WOULD ONLY BE MATERIALIZED ACCORDING TO THE SPIRITUAL WORK ACHIEVED ON EARTH!

IF THE SOUL IS NOT AT LEAST HALF MATERIALIZED LIKE ADAM WAS, PARADISE WOULD BE LOST FOR US

AND HELL WOULD BE OUR ABODE, THEN ONLY THE DIVINE  MERCY JESUS WOULD BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHEN WOULD BE THE TIME TO COME OUT FROM THAT KIND OF ETERNAL DARKNESS

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[jb2u]

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jb2u,May wrote: [/quote] Quote the world hath not known thee   Jb2u, What does your words above say? They say the world has not known you UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME! OK?………….. …………………. SO HE WAS NEVER KNOWN! IN THE TRUTH! the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.[/B] Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Charles…I see you wisely did not address the fact that you ADDED words to scripture in order to make your point!!!!

That being said, I will stick to the scripture as it is. I will not add words in order to make my point. If the scripture actually read what you said that it does, then I would believe the same as you; however, it does not!!!

Seriously…THINK about what it means when you must ADD to God's word in order to get proof for what you believe!!!

[jb2u]

Charles….

I noticed that you did not answer my question; so, I will re-post as I assume that you must have overlooked it!!

Do you honestly BELIEVE these things that you type? Tell me, is Jesus and the Father the same person to you? Are Jesus and the Father both God? Are you saying God came in the form of Jesus, thus separating Himself, but in the end, He will combine Himself back into one person??

Please answer so that I can better understand your view!!

[jb2u]

You know Charles, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, you believe the wrong thing??

I see some very enlightened people on this site. You see some “misguided” people.

Consider this, maybe because you believe in the wrong thing, it opens you up to believing in false doctrine!! Maybe that is why you do not see where adding words to scripture in order to make your point is wrong. Maybe you do not even see that you are adding words? Just consider it!!

[terraricca]

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terraricca,May wrote: [/quote] Quote YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION ,BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW; Terraricca, I RESPECT YOUR INTELIGENCE! Quote YOU DO NOT PRAY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT Matthew12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man,   A PERSON it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, ALSO A PERSON SINCE JESUS COMPARED HIM WITH A PERSON it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.     Quote AGAIN I DO NOT PRAY AT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT TO GOD ,WHO GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WHOM HE PLEASES WRONG! YOU PRAY TO GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST  SO YOU ADDRESS GOD AS JESUS CHRIST  THAT IS  HIS NAME IN THE TRUTH! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT GOD WILL HEAR YOU! Peace and love in JESUS CHRIST Charles

Charles

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Matthew12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, A PERSON it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, ALSO A PERSON SINCE JESUS COMPARED HIM WITH A PERSON it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

the holy spirit his the spirit of truth coming from the father ;1Co 2:10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

1Co 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

1Co 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1Co 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
1Co 3:10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.

1Co 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
1Co 3:13 his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work.

1Co 3:14 If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward.

1Co 3:15 If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

1Co 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a “fool” so that he may become wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;

1Co 4:6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

IF YOU ARE NOT FOR THE TRUTH OF GOD THEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE IS IT NOT THIS THAT CHRIST CAME FOR TO LET US KNOWN HIS FATHER AND SO BE THE DOOR THROUGH WHICH WE ALL COULD BE RECONCILED WITH HIS FATHER YES AND YES YOU PRAY TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST ,BUT GOD IS HIGHER THAN HIS SON CHRIST ,

SO IF YOU SPEAK AGAINST THE TRUTH (HOLY SPIRIT )WHAT IS IT THAT IS LEFT NOTHING AND SO HOW COULD IT BE FORGIVEN IF YOU MAKE A LIE OUT OF WHAT IS THE TRUTH OF GOD ,YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE WITH YOUR OWN LIVE.

[carmel]

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Please do “EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER”;

Edj,

I am posting 13:31 FIRST!

31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

So through the process of  glorifying the Son by the Father through the Holy Spirit, LIKEWISE, GOD ALSO WOULD BE GLORIFIED!

THEREFORE BOTH GOD ( spirit)AND THE SON ( flesh)WOULD BE ENRICHED WITH A CONDITION,STATE, WHICH THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE!

Jesus, purposely emphasized on particular SMALL STATEMENTS, THROUGHOUT HIS SPEACHES to make us aware about the hidden things of God  

So in 31  he said things and then he repeated them again in 32 to expand and clarify what he wanted to reveal!

So this time  he purposely did so to make us realize that he was referring to himself as son of man therefore AS FLESH BODY, not as son of God his soul! OBVIOUS THE FLESH WAS BEING SUBJECTED TO DEATH.

Jesus’ fundamental mission was to supply, humanity with a NEW,COMPLETE ETERNAL BODY, notwithstanding the fact that  ADAM RUINED HIS!

NOW: The only way for the flesh substance to remain in existence ETERNAL,was to unite it with the soul, SINCE THE SOUL NEVER DIES, and vice versa, the only way for the soul to become visible was to unite it with the flesh! SUBSTANCE, SINCE THE FLESH IS VISBLE.

But as we all know,THANKS FOR ADAM! THESE TWO ELEMENTS ARE ENEMIES one from God, GOOD CONCEPT the SOUL, and one from earth, Satan’s EVIL CONCEPT the FLESH!

SO THE BATTLE WAS : EITHER SATAN ACQUIRE THE SOUL FOR ETERNITY, AND BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH BUT EVIL,OR GOD ACQUIRE THE FLESH SUBSTANCE FOR ETERNITY TO LEAVE NO DOUBT THAT GOOD IS SUPERIOR TO EVIL!

Up to that moment in time, Satan owned BOTH!Again thanks to Adam!
Always predestined by God though,  in order to MANIFEST HIS LOVE IN THE TRUTH,TO HIS ENEMIES, when He  HIMSELF, FIRST AS THE WORD  CREATED ALL, THEN AS THE WORD MADE FLESH  became  SUBJECT to his enemies plan, and through it he acquired THE ENTIRE PRODUCT: THE SPIRIT, THE SOUL, AND THE FLESH  IN ONE INSTANT THEREFORE THE ENTIRE CREATION!

SO Obvious!  The task which God had to achieve was  the FLESH BODY FIRST, and become GOD OF ALL FLESH ON EARTH! NOT THAT HE NEEDED IT, but for sure to give accordingly all His attributes to all His creatures to become GODS, AND JESUS CHRIST ,THE MEDIATOR, WAS THE FIRST TO ACIEVE IT, THE FIRST PERFECT FULL MAN WITH  THE FULLNESS OF GOD and His ATTRIBUTESwithin him, ON EARTH! HIS  SPIRIT, HIS SOUL AND HIS FLSH BODY!  ALL GOD’S, AND NOTHING LESS IS POSSIBLE

ALL IN HIM! ALL BY HIM! AND ALL FOR HIM!

But not unless AS the WORD, He himself HIDDEN, UNKNOWN START his enemies' road, and supply them the  power, to achieve their plan and prevent God from achieving His!!!!    

THE MOST PERFECT PARADOXICAL PROCESS:

BEING EVIL TO DEMONSTRATE GOOD! BEING DARKNESS TO DEMONSTRATE LIGHT!BEING HATEFULL TO DEMONSTRATE LOVE, BEING POOR TO DEMONSTRATE RICHNESS!…………..

FORGET THEM FATHER BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO!

So IN 31 Jesus declared that NOW! Is the FLESH BODY GLORIFIED!

This is a reference to the Son’s spirit the mediator,creator, the   WORD, since this spirit was comsumed entirely in the creation of our world, which is the actual process of His enemies mentioned above therefore the entire MATTER!

So the only GLORIFICATION which the Son of man, the FLESH body (THE EX SON'S SPIRIT)could achieve was that:

Not withstanding the fact that the Son of man, the flesh body, had to die!

IT  WOULD MAINTAIN ITS ORIGINAL GOD'S ATTRIBUTES,WHEN HE LEFT THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT!  OF WHICH THE ETERNAL LIFE WAS MOST VITAL ,SINCE IT’S GOD’S,  AS THE FATHER PROMISED HIM!

So it must be a continueous process NO MATTER WHAT!  THEREFORE IT MUST NEVER DIE LIKE THE ONE which acquired THE FIRST ADAM,  and also his descendants

SO TO EMPHASIZE,AND CLARIFY:

NOT ONLY THAT!

but also this flesh body would become SPIRIT!

AGAIN NOT ONLY THAT!

But it will also retains its original flesh state,it never changes in every sense

So the Son’s Spirit first as the WORD,then as the WORD MADE FLESH recovered both His original spirit which left the Father before the world was, and his original FLESH BODY WHILE ON EARH.

APART THAT HIS SPIRIT IS STILL WITHIN THE ENTIRE CREATION UP TO THIS DAY,AND UP TO THE DAYS TO COME! AND ETERNALLY!

ALSO HE WAS ALWAYS ONE WITH THE FATHER THROUGHOUT ALL THESE MILLIONS,AND MILLIONS OF YEARS:

THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE

Then we come to the question! BUT DIDN’T JESUS DIE and  WAS BURRIED?

Yes for sure, but that is irrelevant, it DOESN’T MEAN, and ASSERT THAT HE DID DIE LIKE WE DO!

SO IN 31 IT ONLY SAYS THAT  THE FLESH IS GLORIFIED, AND GOD ALSO IS GLORIFIED! SO LET’S SEE WHAT 32 SAYS:

IN THE NEXT POST

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

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Reading the above scripture, Mike, I would like to pin point to you, that Paul mentioned all those who accordingly saw Jesus after resurrection! I believe that Paul was being precisely in order how Jesus was seen! WHY PAUL NEVER MENTIONED THAT MAGDALENE WAS THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO SEE JESUS?

John 20:19 says that after Mary saw Jesus, he was seen by “the disciples”. It doesn't give any order of who saw Jesus first.

Anyway, I don't know why Paul didn't mention Mary.

[mikeboll64]

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“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16)

2 Corinthians 5:16 NASB ©
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.

Thanks Ed. That scripture goes along way towards confirming that Christ is no longer a flesh and blood human being.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2013,09:47) We do what he says. We believe what he taught us.   Mike, I AM AFRAID THAT YOUR OWN WORDS CONTRADICT YOU: WE AS GENTILES, NOT JEWS! THE ONLY WAY TO PLEASE THE FATHER  IS TO PLEASE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO PRAISE THE FATHER IS TO PRAISE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO LOVE THE FATHER IS TO LOVE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO BELEIVE IN THE FATHER IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO ADORE THE FATHER IS TO ADORE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE JUDGED IN RELATION TO THE ABOVE IS BY JESUS CHRIST

I don't believe any of those things are actually said in scripture, Charles.  But I do adore, believe in, love, praise, and please Christ.  And I do accept that our one and only true God, Jehovah, has appointed Jesus as our Judge.  He also appointed His servant Jesus as our Mediator, Priest, Lord, and King.

I guess I'm not seeing any contradiction in my words.  All I see is you ADDING the words “the ONLY WAY to……..” to the scriptures.

Charles, I was talking about Jesus worshipping Jehovah. I was talking about Jesus himself telling Satan that we are to worship the Lord our God, and serve him ONLY.

These are things WE do. You, on the contrary, have decided to not only worship the one Jesus told us to – but to worship the messenger along with his and our God.

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I SAID: GOD IS THE HEAD OF JESUS CHRIST! NO GOD (HEAD)NO JESUS CHRIST! NO JESUS CHRIST( BODY) NO GOD!

We've already discussed this before, Charles.  I believe it is absurdly silly of you to think the words “the head of Christ is God” means that Jesus' literal head on his shoulders is the being of God Almighty.

What it means is the RULER of Jesus is God.

[mikeboll64]

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Seriously…THINK about what it means when you must ADD to God's word in order to get proof for what you believe!!!

Amen.

[carmel]

jb2u,May wrote:

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Do you honestly BELIEVE these things that you type? Tell me, is Jesus and the Father the same person to you? Are Jesus and the Father both God?

Jb2u,

First of all you have to ditinguish the difference between:

Jesus Christ and the Father:

The Father is the first Person of the Godhead!

Jesus christ is the word MADE FLESH the fullness of the  Godhead in flesh,

The  Father is Jesus' spirit!

The Holy Spirit is Jesus' soul!

The Son's spirit  is Jesus' flesh body!

Therefore:

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man!

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Are you saying God came in the form of Jesus, thus separating Himself, but in the end, He will combine Himself back into one person??

YES GOD IN RESPECT TO MY STATEMENT ABOVE, WAS IN THE WORLD WITHIN THE FLESH BODY OF HIS SON, AS THE WORD,THE GODHEAD, JESUS CHRIST, IN FLESHCONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!
THE THIRD AND LAST KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GODTHROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!

BUT NO! ALTHOUGH THE SON’S SPIRIT LEFT THE FATHER  BEFORE THE WORLD WAS AS THE TRIUNE GOD IN THE   WORD TO CREATE ALL, HE STILL MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY  OF THE GODHEAD IN THE FATHER!

THIS IS THE SECOND KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE SON’S SPIRIT

ALSO, GOD IS ETERNALLY ONE ,AND ALSO ETERNALLY THREE  PERSONS, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HIS SON, LEFT HIM !
WHATEVER GOD DOES HE ALWAYS ENRICHES HIMSELF !

IN THE END HE WILL NOT UNITE HIMSELF INTO ONE PERSON, HE NEVER WAS ONE PERSON!

HE WILL UNITE HIMSELF INTO ONE MYSTICAL BODY  WHICH CURRENTLY IS OWNED BY HIS SON, GLORIFIED IN A UNIQUE STATE OF BOTH SPIRIT, IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND FLESH, IN THE SON’S SPIRIT!

THE TWO KINDS OF FUNCTIONS OF THE TRIUNE GOD MENTIONED ABOVE

THE FIRST KIND OF FUNCTION OF THE TRIUNE GOD,WAS THROUGH THE FATHER WHEN HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

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Hi:

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2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2Ti 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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