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  • #344150
    jb2u
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    Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,06:43)
    t8,

    What makes you so convinced ,THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO SAY IS FALSE

    INSTEAD SAY: I DON'T BELEIVE IN THE TRINITY

    LIKE THAT YOU WOULD NOT ONLY BE RESPECTED, BUT YOU ALSO RESPECT OTHER'S  BELIEF !

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Are you kidding?

    You say things like…

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    THAT'S WHAT YOUR CORRUPT MINDED MENTALITY, INTELIGENCE, WORLDLY WISDOM TELLS YOU!

    And then you tell others to say “I don't believe in the trinity” so that we may “respect other's belief.” You would be wise to take your own advice!!

    All that being said….I am committed to following Jesus and HIS teachings. Likewise, He was quick to “call out” false doctrine. When Jesus says that His Father and ours is the ONLY true GOD, then I feel committed to repeat HIS words to all that want to deny that the Father is the ONLY true GOD!!!

    #344151
    Proclaimer
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    Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2013,18:38)
    T8,

    A good point but I do not believe the merchants of the world would moan as loud about the lost of them as a customer base.


    I agree. That is hard to reconcile, but just about every other point fits like a glove.

    The woman rides the Beast, and the Vatican rides Rome which was the Beast or one of the heads at least.

    She is dressed in purple and holds a gold cup in her hand. What a fitting description of Roman Catholicism.

    She makes the whole world drunk on her wine. With 1.2 billion Catholics in every country on Earth, that is a fitting description of her doctrine making people drunk.

    Kings commit adultery with her. How many political leaders seek the favour of this Church to gain her influence. Emperors, Mussolini, politicians today.

    She sits on the city of seven hills. I think that is a title for Rome as well as a few other cities including Jerusalem.

    Now if we take the economic view about the Kings, then New York or London seem to be a better fit. And if we think of Babylon as a melting pot of people, then the USA seems to fit.

    I know one thing. She is not New Zealand.

    :D

    #344152
    jb2u
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,06:43)
    ………

    THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURES THERE ARE MORE THEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE WHICH SIGNIFIES A TRIUNE GOD,AS MUCH AS ONE GOD!

    WHICH IS ALSO NOT THAT CLEAR THAT GOD IS ONE ENTITY ONLY!
    …….
    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Let me get this straight!! You believe that there is evidence that supports both a triune GOD and one GOD; but, even in light of Jesus telling you that the ONLY true GOD is His Father, you still put your faith in a belief that is OPPOSITE of what JESUS actually says???

    You have GOD telling you that He is ONE, and you have Jesus telling you that the ONLY true GOD is His Father!! And you decide to go with…a group of men that decided on a triune God? A group of men that banished and burned those that refused to accept this belief? A group of men that did not want the Bible to be translated into other languages? A group of men that came from a culture of poly-gods? A group of men that took some 80 years to even fully “define” this concept of a trinity to a point that 1700 years later people still can't explain it clearly??

    I think I'll stick with the words of GOD and Jesus, whom GOD sent!!

    #344153
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    I agree jb2u. I just can't fathom why anyone would ignore what God has spoken and what Jesus has spoken and instead push a third century doctrine. In addition to the blatant opposition to the words of truth in scripture and words of God and Jesus, you also have very bad fruit surrounding that doctrine. The way it came into being is very dodgy and the way it was enforced led to many deaths. Burnings and persecution is probably only half the story.

    It reminds me of the words, “the day will come when men think they do God a service when they kill you”.

    #344154
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ May 11 2013,02:25)
    t8

    “they are before the throne of God
     and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne
     will shelter them with his presence.
    16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
     never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat down on them,’
     nor any scorching heat.

    where can we be NEVER BE THIRST ???
    OR WHERE DOES THE SUN NOT BEAT US DOWN OR SCORCHING BY HEAT ??? OR NEVER BE HUNGER AGAIN ??? IS IT NOT ON EARTH ???


    Could be T. When I read the whole verse though it actually appears to be 144000 sealed on the Earth at that moment, and a large crowd before the Throne of God who came out of the Great Tribulation.

    It seems to be the opposite at that moment at least. 144000 on Earth, and saints in Heaven. Ultimately we may return to Earth perhaps in the Battle of Armageddon, but where does it say that the 144,000 ascend into Heaven? I can't remember reading that anywhere.

    #344164
    terraricca
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    Quote (t8 @ May 10 2013,20:09)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 11 2013,02:25)
    t8

    “they are before the throne of God
     and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne
     will shelter them with his presence.
    16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
     never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat down on them,’
     nor any scorching heat.

    where can we be NEVER BE THIRST ???
    OR WHERE DOES THE SUN NOT BEAT US DOWN OR SCORCHING BY HEAT ??? OR NEVER BE HUNGER AGAIN ??? IS IT NOT ON EARTH ???


    Could be T. When I read the whole verse though it actually appears to be 144000 sealed on the Earth at that moment, and a large crowd before the Throne of God who came out of the Great Tribulation.

    It seems to be the opposite at that moment at least. 144000 on Earth, and saints in Heaven. Ultimately we may return to Earth perhaps in the Battle of Armageddon, but where does it say that the 144,000 ascend into Heaven? I can't remember reading that anywhere.


    t8

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    but where does it say that the 144,000 ascend into Heaven? I can't remember reading that anywhere.

    1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
    1CO 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power

    RO 8:23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
    1CO 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
    1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
    1CO 16:15 Now I urge you, brethren (you know the household of Stephanas, that they were the first fruits of Achaia, and that they have devoted themselves for ministry to the saints),
    JAS 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.
    REV 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.

    to my understanding the first resurrection applies to two groups one is the 144k and the other the great multitude that have wash their robe in to the blood of Christ ,

    so that all others that remain would be in the second resurrection ,this is the resurrection of judgement for them,

    #344167
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2013,10:19)
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    mikeboll64,May wrote:


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    Does He have a God of His own?

    Mike,

    YES GOD ALMIGHTY HAS HIS OWN PARTICULAR ,SPIRIT PROPERTY ,BUT GLORIFIED IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH GOD BEING ,WHO IS KNOWN BY US IN GOD’S TERMS  AS  SON OF GOD WELL?

    THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON GOD:

    HEBREWS 1:8 But to the Son:

    YOUR THRONE,O GOD

    SO IF JESUS IS HIS SON, AND HIS SON IS GOD, THEREFORE HIS SON IS ALSO HIS GOD! LIKE FOR INSTANT,HIS KINGDOM, HIS NAME, HIS POWER, HIS LIGHT, HIS TRUTH,

    Hebrews 1:2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed

    HEIR OF ALL THINGS, (INCLUDING GOD'S ATTRIBUTES,)

    by whom also he made the world. 3Who being the

    BRIGHTENESS OF HIS GLORY,

    and the

    FIGURE OF HIS SUBSTANCE,

    and upholding all things by the

    WORD OF HIS POWER,

    making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.

    SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH :

    HIS GOD!

    HIS OWN PARTICULAR GOD THE SON  DIFFERENT,DISTINCT FROM GOD THE FATHER, BUT THE SAME GOD!

    HIS OWN PROPERTY,HIS OWN SUBSTANCE, IT BELONGS TO HIM!

    AND ON THE LAST DAY HE WILL OWN IT DIRECTLY AND BECOME ALL IN ALL

    SO DUE TO THE FACT THAT ONLY HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD OWNS BOTH THE FLESH AND SPIRIT BODY! RIGHT NOW!

    JESUS, INHERITED ALL GOD'S ATTRIBUTES,AND ALL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES!

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST!

    IT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:

    is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    9Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity:

    THEREFORE GOD,

    thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
    SO IT IS EMPHASIZED HERE,

    THAT ALMIGHTY GOD HAD ANOINTED JESUS THROUGH THE UNIFICATION OF HIMSELF WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    SO THE FATHER WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO(the Holy Spirit) IS UNITED WITH JESUS FLESH BODY,AS ONE GLORIFIED BEING,

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH

    THEREFORE ALSO THE FATHER, IS EQUALLY GLORIFIED, ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT YET FULLY IN POSSESSION OF THE FLESH AND SPIRIT BODY OF JESUS CHRIST,SO ALMIGHTY GOD IS:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST!

    BEFORE HE WAS ONLY THE TRUE GOD!  SPIRIT!

    TWO IN ONE FLESH

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #344168
    carmel
    Participant

    mikeboll64,May wrote:

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    In the state of his Father”?     What if “ascend to” simply means “ascend to”?  Then what?

    Mike,

    What if “ascend to” in that particular verse means both in the state of the Father, and also went up in heaven”?

    THEN WHAT?

    HOW ABOUT ALL OF US IN, and FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS PARICULAR EVENT DISCUSS IT TO ESTABLISH SOME TRUTH?

    I AM READY!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #344169
    carmel
    Participant

    jb2u,May wrote:

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    but, even in light of Jesus telling you that the ONLY true GOD is His Father, you still put your faith in a belief that is OPPOSITE of what JESUS actually says???

    Jbtu,

    YOU HAD ISOLATED an AMBIGUOUS VERSE

    WHY NOT ANALYZE ALL THAT PARAGRAPH IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WHAT JESUS WAS REERRING TO

    THE FACT THAT THROUGH THE SAME STATEMENT, JESUS DECLARED THAT HIS FATHER WAS NOT KNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IT IS ALREADY AN EVIDENCE THAT, ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, HE WAS JUST AS WELL AS HE WAS NOT AND ONLY, ACCORDING TO JESUS, THROUGH THE ETERNAL LIFE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, THAT THE FATHER, NOT ON HIS OWN, EVENTUALLY THEY MAY KNOW HIM AS SUCH!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #344170
    carmel
    Participant

    mikeboll64,May wrote:

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    And aren't we suppose to glorify our God in all of our actions, just like Jesus did?  (1 Corinthians 10:31)

    Mike,

    you agreed that the FATHER GLORIFIED HIS SON, AND VICE VERSA:   IN ONE INSTANT

    WHEN, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST GOD/MAN,GOD IN FLESH:

    ALMIGHTY GOD GLORIFIED YOU! MIKE, OR ANY OTHER HUMAN FILTHY, CORRUPTED, MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD BEING?

    SO WHY THE HELL YOU PUT JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO SWALLOW IT,AND IN THE SAME TIME  DO NOT RESPECT HIM ACCORDINGLY,

    IN THE SAME BASKET OF ALL THE DUNG OF US?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #344171
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2013,03:20)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2013,10:40)


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    And aren't we suppose to glorify our God in all of our actions, just like Jesus did?  (1 Corinthians 10:31)

    Mike,

    you agreed that the FATHER GLORIFIED HIS SON, AND VICE VERSA:   IN ONE INSTANT

    WHEN, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST GOD/MAN,GOD IN FLESH:

    ALMIGHTY GOD GLORIFIED YOU! MIKE, OR ANY OTHER HUMAN FILTHY, CORRUPTED, MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD BEING?

    SO WHY THE HELL YOU PUT JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO SWALLOW IT,AND IN THE SAME TIME  DO NOT RESPECT HIM ACCORDINGLY,

    IN THE SAME BASKET OF ALL THE DUNG OF US?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel

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    you agreed that the FATHER GLORIFIED HIS SON, AND VICE VERSA:    IN ONE INSTANT

    where is it written : “in one instant “????

    and what is it the glory of the father and what is the glory of the son ????

    if you can not answer this your faith is null

    #344172
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ May 10 2013,00:15)
    Mike,

    ARE YOU CONFIRMING THAT THERE IS:

    A GOD

    A GOD IN FLESH

    THE SON OF GOD

    AND THE SON OF GOD IN FLESH?


    No Charles,

    I was saying that Jesus wasn't ever “God in the flesh”. Instead, he was the “Son OF God in the flesh”.

    #344173
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (carmel @ May 10 2013,15:20)
    SO WHY THE HELL YOU PUT JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO SWALLOW IT,AND IN THE SAME TIME  DO NOT RESPECT HIM ACCORDINGLY,

    IN THE SAME BASKET OF ALL THE DUNG OF US


    No Charles,

    Jesus is my Savior.  If not for what he did, there would be no chance of an everlasting life for any of us.  I hold him in very high esteem.  He is, after all, the second most powerful being in existence, and I believe he loves us as much as his God loves us.

    This is a bad “side-effect” of discussing scriptures with Trinitarians, Charles.  Those of us who believe the scriptures that clearly tell us Jesus is the Son OF God, love Jesus as much as you do.  In fact, since WE are the ones who actually follow his teachings, we most likely love (or at least respect) him MORE than you guys do.  We do what he says. We believe what he taught us.  Unfortunately, in our efforts to demonstrate to you that he is not God Almighty, but the Son OF God Almighty, it sometimes seems like we must “diminish” our great Lord and Savior to drive that point home.

    I do not place my God-appointed King in the same basket as the rest of us sinful human beings.  He is not only higher than us, but also higher than the angels that are higher than us.

    I hope you believe that I love my Lord as much as you do. I'm merely trying to describe him as he is………… not HIGHER than he is, nor LOWER.

    #344174
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ May 10 2013,14:27)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2013,10:19)
    In the state of his Father”?     What if “ascend to” simply means “ascend to”?  Then what?


    Mike,

    What if “ascend to” in that particular verse means both in the state of the Father, and also went up in heaven”?

    THEN WHAT?

    HOW ABOUT ALL OF US IN, and FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS PARICULAR EVENT DISCUSS IT TO ESTABLISH SOME TRUTH?


    Can we discuss it in short, to-the-point posts?

    For example, can you list just ONE scripture that supports your understanding that Jesus has taken on “the state of the Father”?

    I thought you believed the Father and Son were distinct persons. Was I wrong about that?

    #344193
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 10 2013,19:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2013,18:38)
    T8,

    A good point but I do not believe the merchants of the world would moan as loud about the lost of them as a customer base.


    I agree. That is hard to reconcile, but just about every other point fits like a glove.

    The woman rides the Beast, and the Vatican rides Rome which was the Beast or one of the heads at least.

    She is dressed in purple and holds a gold cup in her hand. What a fitting description of Roman Catholicism.

    She makes the whole world drunk on her wine. With 1.2 billion Catholics in every country on Earth, that is a fitting description of her doctrine making people drunk.

    Kings commit adultery with her. How many political leaders seek the favour of this Church to gain her influence. Emperors, Mussolini, politicians today.

    She sits on the city of seven hills. I think that is a title for Rome as well as a few other cities including Jerusalem.

    Now if we take the economic view about the Kings, then New York or London seem to be a better fit. And if we think of Babylon as a melting pot of people, then the USA seems to fit.

    I know one thing. She is not New Zealand.

    :D


    T8,

    There is also a lot of Muslims.

    Who counts Secularists who do not regard of their fathers or any god but instead exalt humanity. They pretend to be Catholics, Muslims, and every other sect.

    The UN has NGO's that are religions. The Catholic Church split a long time ago and may not have ever been truly empire wide even in the Roman Empire.

    This all could be placed under the label False Prophet.

    #344205
    carmel
    Participant

    mikeboll64,May wrote:

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    He is, after all, the second most powerful being in existence,

    MIke,

    WITH EVERY RESPECT:

    JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD MADE FLESH, GOD IN FLESH, IS

    THE MOST POWERFULL BEING IN ALL EXISTENCE

    ALMIGHTY GOD WAS NEVER AS RICH AS HE IS NOW:

    BUT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST:

    ONLY ON THE LAST DAY ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD BE:

    ALL IN ALL, AND ALSO THROUGH JESUS CHRIST'S BODY

    THEREFORE IT IS CONFIRMED THAT GOD CAN ONLY ENRICH HIMSELF BY HIMSLEF AND NOTHING OUTSIDE OF HIMSLEF WOULD BE POSSIBLE!

    THE HEAD OF JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!

    WHAT WILL YOU BE CALLED MIKE YOURSELF WITHOUT YOUR HEAD?

    WHAT WILL YOUR HEAD WOULD BE CALLED WITHOUT YOUR BODY?

    IN BOTH CASES FOR SURE THEY WOULD NEVER BE CALLED MIKE

    THEREFORE IT APPLIES TO GOD:

    NO GOD(HEAD) NO JESUS CHRIST

    NO (BODY) JESUS CHRIST NO GOD

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #344212
    jb2u
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2013,07:44)
    ……….Jbtu,

    YOU HAD ISOLATED an AMBIGUOUS VERSE

    WHY NOT ANALYZE ALL THAT PARAGRAPH IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WHAT JESUS WAS REERRING TO

    THE FACT THAT THROUGH THE SAME STATEMENT, JESUS DECLARED THAT HIS FATHER WAS NOT KNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IT IS ALREADY AN EVIDENCE THAT, ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, HE WAS JUST AS WELL AS HE WAS NOT AND ONLY, ACCORDING TO JESUS, THROUGH THE ETERNAL LIFE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, THAT THE FATHER, NOT ON HIS OWN, EVENTUALLY THEY MAY KNOW HIM AS SUCH!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    First, this verse is NOT ambiguous. Look up the definition of ambiguous!! There is only one true GOD in this verse and Jesus is clearly NOT Him!!!

    Second, please read the paragraph yourself!!! Jesus NEVER says, as you say, “His Father was not known as the only true God.” What it says is that “O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.”

    Do you see the difference?? You see, you have to add words and change the verse in order to make YOUR point. I, however, do not!!! I see that the world does not know GOD, but the TRUE believers (those that God has given to Jesus) KNOW that GOD sent Jesus. NOTICE: it does NOT say the true believers know that I am God. No, Jesus is saying that the true believers know that GOD sent Jesus!! Do you see the difference???

    Charles, do you honestly BELIEVE these things that you type? Tell me, is Jesus and the Father the same person to you? Are Jesus and the Father both God? Are you saying God came in the form of Jesus, thus separating Himself, but in the end, He will combine Himself back into one person??

    Please answer so that I can better understand your view!!

    #344213
    carmel
    Participant

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    where is it written : “in one instant “????

    and what is it the glory of the father and what is the glory of the son ????

    if you can not answer this your faith is null

    Terraricca,

    I HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT YOU ASKED AT LEAST FOR THESE LAST TWO YEARS THROUHGOUT MY POSTS

    For now I am posting scriptures which DEMONSTRATES WHAT YOU ASK, and I give you time to

    PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT SOMTHING YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN

    READ AND MASTICATE EACH WORD something which you never REALLY did, WITH EVERY RESPECT

    REFLECT IN DEPT AND LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT talking to you according to WHAT HE HEARS FROM YOU  

    AGAIN SOMETHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT READY TO DO,SINCE YOU DO NOT PRAY TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!

    John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself;

    BUT WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE SHALL HEAR,

    OK? IT ALL DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE WAY YOU BEHAVE IN RESPECT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WHAT YOU ASK HIM!!!

    HE SHALL SPEAK;

    and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.

    LIKE HE IS DOING WITH ME, AND TO ME,SINCE I AM ENTIRELY DEPENDING ON HIM

    SO START READING:

    John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:

    Now is the Son of man glorified,( NOTICE SON OF MAN, NOT SON OF GOD) and God is glorified in him.

    ONE SAME GLORY!

    32 If God be glorified in him,( JESUS) God also will glorify him(JESUS) in himself;(GOD) and

    IMEDIATELY

    will he(GOD) glorify him. (JESUS)

    THAT WAS JOHN 13, NOW READ AGAIN THE SAME WORDS WHICH JESUS EMPHASIZED PURPOSELY SO WE COULD DISCERN THE TRUTH:

    John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:

    Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.

    IN ONE GLORY, AND IN ONE INSTANT!

    LIKE A DIRECT IMPACT WITH TWO EQUAL ELEMENTS :

    ONE IMPACT  

    BOTH HIT EACH OTHER IN ONE INSTANT!

    BOTH GAVE AND BOTH RECEIVED EQUALLY!

    I WILL EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    Charles

    #344216
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 12 2013,01:42)
    Terraricca,

    John 13: 32 If God be glorified in him,( JESUS) God also will glorify him(JESUS) in himself;(GOD) and will he(GOD) glorify him. (JESUS)

    I WILL EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    Please do “EXPAND ON THIS FURTHER”; you adding (Jesus) and (GOD) into the text does not clarify anything.
    Maybe it's where you got the commas, not sure, but I haven't got a clue as to what you are trying to say?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #344217
    carmel
    Participant

    mikeboll64,May wrote:

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    For example, can you list just ONE scripture that supports your understanding that Jesus has taken on “the state of the Father”?

    Mike,

    I will post as you suggested!

    ONE AT A TIME!

    BUT I WILL POST ACCORDING TO WHAT I BELEIVE IS THE APPROPRIATE ONE, IN THE APPROPRIATE TIME, AND THE APPROPRIATE WAY, TO LEAD OTHERS TO WHAT I BELEIVE IS THE TRUTH!

    AFTER ALL IT IS WHAT I AM CONVINCED ABOUT, AND NOT TO CONVINCE OTHERS, BUT TO PUT OTHERS IN THE POSITION TO MAKE THEM REFLECT UPON, AND THEN ITS UP TO THEM TO PRODUCE SCRIPTURES TO CONTRADICT ME, OR AGREE WITH ME!

    SO FOR THE ABOVE PARTICULAR SCRIPTURE YOU ASKED, IT WILL EVENTUALLY COME!

    BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST!

    SO

    LIKE YOU ALREADY AGREED THAT:

    THE FATHER AND JESUS GLORIFIED THEMSELVES, THROUGH THEMSELVES, IN ONE INSTANT, AND IN ONE GLORY!

    OBVIOUS THROUGH AND  AFTER RESURRECTION!

    YOU WOULD EVENTUALLY DO THE SAME, OR NOT ON WHAT I POST LATER!

    SO THIS IS THE FIRST SCRIPTURE:

    1Corinthians 15:5 And that he was seen by Cephas; and after that by the eleven. 6Then he was seen by more than five hundred brethren at once: of whom many remain until this present, and some are fallen asleep. 7After that, he was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8And last of all, he was seen also by me, as by one born out of due time. 9For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

    Reading the above scripture, Mike, I would like to pin point to you, that Paul mentioned all those who accordingly saw Jesus after resurrection! I believe that Paul was being precisely in order how Jesus was seen!

    My question, or rather what I would like you, AND WHOEVER IS INTERESTED TO PARTICIPATE to reflect upon, is :

    WHY PAUL NEVER MENTIONED THAT MAGDALENE WAS THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO SEE JESUS?

    TO ME IT WAS LEFT OUT FOR A GENUINE PARTICULAR  REASON FOR WHOEVER READ SCRIPTURES IN THE FUTURE, AND IT WOULD BE A KEY ELEMENT FOR THE TRUTH!

    MORE TO COME

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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