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Quote (david @ May 08 2013,06:51) Quote (david @ May 07 2013,04:44) JESUS SPEAKING TO SCRIBES AND PHARISEES: New International Version (©2011)
And so upon YOU will come ALL the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, WHOM YOU MURDERED between the temple and the altar.New Living Translation (©2007)
As a result, YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for the murder of ALL godly people of all time–from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom YOU killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar.
Now, compare this to revelation:“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED on the earth.”–rev 18:24
Kerwin, have you thought about why Jesus said they would be held accountable for ALL the righteous murdered, including Abel, someone they of course didn't murder?
David,So Babylon will be held responsible for all the sins of the wicked.
How are Babylon and the False Prophet related?
Quote (david @ May 08 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2013,23:33) Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
David,Atheists, heretics, pagans, and even the corrupt that know the truth have all persecuted the saints. I believe some of the Prophets may have been killed by pagan Jews. There is no one religion, city, or country that is responsible for all the evil leveled against the saints. There are a type of people.
Hi kerwin, I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Of course various different people and groups have persecuted the holy ones.That's not in despute.
But, can you comment on Jesus words and how they compare to what was said of Babylon the great?
David,I assume Jesus is speaking of Jerusalem in general.
Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:45) Read the above scripture. Now compare what it says of Babylon: Now, compare this to revelation:
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24
Davidlet make it clear ,Babylon ,and the scribes,Pharisees ,DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME OF ABEL;BUT WHAT WAS EXISTING WAS THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD,AND JUST AS CAIN WAS MADE AWARE OF HIS OWN HEART BEFORE HE KILLED HIS BROTHER ,SO ARE ALL WHO DO WRONG , BUT MANY CHANGE AND DO NOT PRODUCE THE FRUITS OF WICKEDNESS BUT MANY ALSO CHOSE TO DO WHAT IS WRONG AND WICKED KNOWING VERY WELL WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS BAD BUT FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST THEY CHOSE TO BE CORRUPTED IN THEIR HEART ANY WAY.
SO I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THOSE THAT CHRIST IS POINTING OUT ,AND YES THIS IS WHAT THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AND SADDUCEE'S WERE PRACTICING IN THEIR DAILY LIVES ,AND SO EXPLOITING THE ORPHAN AND THE WIDOW AND THE ELDERLY
SAME CASE FOR ABEL AND CAIN .
AS FOR REVELATION IT IS TRUE IN MEANING THE SAME THING BUT NOT ADDRESSED TO THE SAME PEOPLE BUT TO THE NATIONS AS A WHOLE ,
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING
Quote (carmel @ May 08 2013,05:49) READ AGAIN: GLORIFY YOUR SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!
SO THE WORD RETURN DOES NOT EXIST!
If you don't like the word 'return', then we don't have to use it.What you quote is sufficient.
GLORIFY YOUR SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!
So one glorifies the other that the other glorifies you.
That is the keyword here. I said return, but THAT is good too.Quote (t8 @ May 07 2013,12:24) Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2013,17:03) Hi T8, What I illustrate here is that the concept of “The Trinity” is
to narrow a scope when defining the actions of “GOD”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J. The concept of the Trinity is false.
QUOTE]The concept of the Trinity is false.[/QUOTE]
t8,
What makes you so convinced ,THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO SAY IS FALSE
INSTEAD SAY: I DON'T BELEIVE IN THE TRINITY
LIKE THAT YOU WOULD NOT ONLY BE RESPECTED, BUT YOU ALSO RESPECT OTHER'S BELIEF !
THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURES THERE ARE MORE THEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE WHICH SIGNIFIES A TRIUNE GOD,AS MUCH AS ONE GOD!
WHICH IS ALSO NOT THAT CLEAR THAT GOD IS ONE ENTITY ONLY!
The transfiguration event on mount tabor is an evidence that ELIAH, JESUS ,AND MOSES ARE SYMBOLICALLY THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT RESPECTIVELY,
AND IT IS ALSO SUMMED UP WITH THE CLOUD,
SOMETHING VERY COMMON TO REPRESENTS GOD!
WHICH COVERED THEM TO SYMBOLIZE THREE PERSONS IN ONE GOD. AND CONFIRMED IN THE FATHER'S WORDS:
IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED
WHICH ASSERTS THAT THE FATHER IS IN JESUS,
THE FATHER IN THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS, THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH:Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2013,12:32) Quote (david @ May 08 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2013,23:33) Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
David,Atheists, heretics, pagans, and even the corrupt that know the truth have all persecuted the saints. I believe some of the Prophets may have been killed by pagan Jews. There is no one religion, city, or country that is responsible for all the evil leveled against the saints. There are a type of people.
Hi kerwin, I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Of course various different people and groups have persecuted the holy ones.That's not in despute.
But, can you comment on Jesus words and how they compare to what was said of Babylon the great?
David,I assume Jesus is speaking of Jerusalem in general.
Doesn't it specifically say he is speaking to the scribes and Pharisees?Why do you think he is speaking to Jerusalem?
Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2013,12:29) Quote (david @ May 08 2013,06:51) Quote (david @ May 07 2013,04:44) JESUS SPEAKING TO SCRIBES AND PHARISEES: New International Version (©2011)
And so upon YOU will come ALL the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, WHOM YOU MURDERED between the temple and the altar.New Living Translation (©2007)
As a result, YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for the murder of ALL godly people of all time–from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom YOU killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar.
Now, compare this to revelation:“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED on the earth.”–rev 18:24
Kerwin, have you thought about why Jesus said they would be held accountable for ALL the righteous murdered, including Abel, someone they of course didn't murder?
David,So Babylon will be held responsible for all the sins of the wicked.
How are Babylon and the False Prophet related?
Kerwin, you ask if Babylon will be held responsible for the sins of the wicked?We aren't discussing all the sins of the wicked. Both Jesus words to the “scribes and Pharisees” and the thought in revelation speak of those whose blood was shed.
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED on the earth.”–rev 18:24
I'm not sure how you can read these two scriptures and not see huge similarities, and similarities that are quite unique to these scriptures.
Quote (david @ May 09 2013,04:14) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2013,12:32) Quote (david @ May 08 2013,06:45) Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2013,23:33) Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
David,Atheists, heretics, pagans, and even the corrupt that know the truth have all persecuted the saints. I believe some of the Prophets may have been killed by pagan Jews. There is no one religion, city, or country that is responsible for all the evil leveled against the saints. There are a type of people.
Hi kerwin, I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Of course various different people and groups have persecuted the holy ones.That's not in despute.
But, can you comment on Jesus words and how they compare to what was said of Babylon the great?
David,I assume Jesus is speaking of Jerusalem in general.
Doesn't it specifically say he is speaking to the scribes and Pharisees?Why do you think he is speaking to Jerusalem?
David,He started talking to the bible scholars and the members of the Pharisee sect then switched to Jerusalem.
Jeremiah 4:14
King James Version (KJV)14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?
and
Jeremiah 6:8
King James Version (KJV)8 Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited.
Hi Kerwin.
Perhaps you are thinking of these verses:Matthew 23:35 That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, All these things shall come on this generation. O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent to you.
Revelation 18:10 -24
“Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come.”
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote It is amazing to me how, in the process of trying to convince us that Jesus IS God, Trinitarians often use wording that clearly distinguishes Jesus as someone other than God. Mike,
It is you that cannot see:
HOW MANY TIMES IN YOUR LIFE YOU READ THAT THE
WORD IS GOD
THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH
THE WORD IS JESUS CHRIST
SO YOU ARE RIGHT THAT JESUS IS SOMEONE OTHER THAN GOD
HE IS SIMPLY GOD IN FLESH
GOD THE FATHER IS SPIRIT
AND HE REMAINS SO TILL THE LAST DAY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,09:43) THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURES THERE ARE MORE THEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE WHICH SIGNIFIES A TRIUNE GOD,AS MUCH AS ONE GOD!
All those scriptures you rely on for your Trinity can easily be refuted. Too much to say here, but try this page.https://heavennet.net/writings/supporting-the-trinity-doctrine/
After that, if you still hold onto the Trinity, then you would like many I have met, holding to the traditions of man above the truth and power of God.
Let's see which way you go.
Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,09:43) WHICH ASSERTS THAT THE FATHER IS IN JESUS,
THE FATHER IN THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS, THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH:
Have you not read that Jesus can be in us and God can be in us? If God was in Christ, besides the obvious meaning, it also means that he is not Christ. Likewise if Christ is in us we are not Christ.Further, your quoted words suggests that Jesus is just mere flesh. But scripture says, “cursed is the man who trusts in flesh”.
Simplicity in Christ is just that. It is not a complicated mystery. Your Trinity makes everything wrong and consequently complicated. Just read the scriptures as they were meant to be. Not through Trinity coloured lenses.
Quote (2besee @ May 09 2013,08:48) Hi Kerwin.
Perhaps you are thinking of these verses:Matthew 23:35 That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, All these things shall come on this generation. O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent to you.
Revelation 18:10 -24
“Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come.”
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.
2besee,That is part of what David and I are discussing though David made the connection and then pointed out that Jesus stated the blood of all the righteous was on Jerusalem.
We differ as I believe Jerusalem/Babylon is a land and he believes Jerusalem/Babylon is a religion.
Quote Have you not read that Jesus can be in us and God can be in us? t8,
I think I have posted enough posts to make everybody aware what my knowledge is regarding WHO EBIDES IN US
Scripture states that the Holy Spirit is in us and through Him we could become ONE LIKE CHRIST
Quote Likewise if Christ is in us we are not Christ. THAT'S YOUR POOR MENTALITY!
SINCE JESUS BECAME LIKE US, MAN ON EARTH,WE COULD BECOME LIKE HIM WHILE ON EARTH!
GOD IN FLESH!
THE REASON THAT HE DIED FOR!
PSALM 82:6 I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High
BUT WE NEED TO COMPLETELY ABANDON THE ENTIRE ENTITY OF OURSELVES,IN ORDER TO LET THE HOLY SPIRIT ESTABLISH US HIMSELF ACCORING TO HIS LIKE!
Quote Further, your quoted words suggests that Jesus is just mere flesh AT LAST YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON TO DISCERN WHAT I HAVE BEEN SCREAMMING ABOUT!
BUT JESUS FLESH WAS NOT JUST FLESH!
JESUS' FLESH WAS NOT ORIGINATED THROUGH LUCIFER'S SUBSTANCE LIKE OURS. THEREFORE CORRUPTED,AND SINFULL THROUGH ADAM'S SIN!
JESUS' FLESH WAS GOD'S GENUINE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE WHICH CAME FROM HEAVEN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND CONCEIVED MARY!
NOW MARY'S FLESH WAS THE SON'S SPIRIT WHICH THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,USED AS HIS GENUINE SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE ENTIRE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE PUREST FLESH SUBSTANCE OF MARY,THROUGH CREATION,PURPOSELY TO FURNISH THE WORD JESUS CHRIST, THE TRIUNE GOD, THE GODHEAD IN FLESH WITH THE PUREST OF THE PURE FLESH AND BECAME MAN.
SO THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD!
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE!
SO ALTHOUGH THE SON'S SPIRIT WAS ONLY THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS, IT IS STILL REMAINED GOD'S SPIRIT,SIMPLY TRANSFORMED INTO PURE FLESH!
THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!
Quote cursed is the man who trusts in flesh”. DEFINITELY!
AS I SAID GOD NEVER TRUSTED IN THE FLESH!
I REPEAT:
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD! OK?
SO HE USED HIS GENUINE SPIRIT OF HIS SON, IN ORER TO OWN THE APPROPRIATE SUBSTANCE FOR HIM TO BECOME MAN IN THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD, GOD IN FLESH:
JESUS CHRIST!
NOW REFLECT :
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man.
24Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh. 25And they were both naked: to wit, Adam and his wife: and were not ashamed.
The above is the equivalent statement of what I said above!
TO REMIND YOU: RESPECT OTHERS' CONCEPTION SO OTHERS RESPECT YOURS LIKEWISE
NO ONE KNOWS THE GENUINE TRUTH!
BUT IF I WERE YOU GIVE AND RESPECT GOD WHAT HE DESERVES:
THEREFORE ALL POSSIBILITY
NOT JUST A MERE ONE ENTITY AND NOT ALSO THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES, WHICH IS HIS OWN MANIFESTATION THROUGH HIS MYRIAD VESATILES SPIRITS, NEVER MIND THREE PERSONS IN ONE SPIRIT
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,17:10) Quote (942767 @ May 06 2013,09:00) Quote I ascend to IN FULL AND MAKE SURE TO REFER TO STRONG'S,THEN PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT[/B] Marty!
I'm afraid you didn't get the message!
I said:
ASCEND TO not ascend!
the word ascend has a vast definition, IT COULD MEAN ALSO ASCEND TO A HIGHER STATE, OR A HIGHER POSITION,GET PROMOTED, and in order to get the right definition you must define also the word to
they are attached to each other, THAT'S WHY I SAID IN FULL
SO: ASCEND TO
HAVE ANOTHER GO!
IN THE MEAN TIME I CONTINUE READING YOUR POST !
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles:The word “ascend to” may mean as you have stated, but you cannot state that it means that in these scriptures:
Quote Jhn 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jhn 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father Marty,
It would be very interesting, if you were to support your conclusion, not just say so!
Quote but you cannot state that it means that in these scriptures: AFTER ALL YOU ALSO CANNOT STATE THAT IT MEANS NOT WHAT I STATED UNLESS YOU GIVE PROOF!
I AM SURE THAT scripture is well clear and in favour of my conclusios:
Reflect:
Touch me not!
Why Jesus said the above words to Magdalene when a few hours later he enterred through stone walls, and seated himself in the midst of his brethren where they were locked,and never bothered to be touched?
Why Jesus said the above words to Magdalene if not to protect her,and not to hurt her, since she was a mortal,sinfull creature,?
Why Jesus couldn't protect her?
Why did Jesus told Magdalene that he was not yet in the state of His Father, although he had just resurrected and then he told her in the same time that he will be later in the state of His Father and so on?
Don't you think that all these circumstances were purposely prepared by Jesus in order to establish the truth, regarding his resurrection, and also what Jesus hadreally become from that moment in time onwards?
Are you ready,, for the LOVE IN CHRIST to accept the truth?
Are you ready FOR THE LOVE IN CHRIST to hear what you, with every respect cannot discern?
I already posted in details regarding this, and if you would like to read it I will post it to you again!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,00:12) 1. SO YOU ARE RIGHT THAT JESUS IS SOMEONE OTHER THAN GOD 2. HE IS SIMPLY GOD IN FLESH
3. GOD THE FATHER IS SPIRIT
Hi Charles,1. If there is but ONE Almighty God, and you agree that Jesus is someone other than Him, then praise Jah for shining that light into your heart!
2. No, he was the SON OF God in the flesh. Surely you can see there is a difference between “God”, and “Son OF God”, right?
3. Agreed.
Quote (kerwin @ May 09 2013,06:12) We differ as I believe Jerusalem/Babylon is a land and he believes Jerusalem/Babylon is a religion.
Hi Kerwin,I've been reading your discussion with David. I haven't really seen anyone show “rock-solid” scriptural proof for either claim, but it is hard for me to believe that ALL of the “bad people” are in ONE land.
There are good and bad throughout the entire earth. Let's say Babylon is the United States. Why would God say, “Come out of her my people” – as if ONLY the United States has “bad people” in it?
What if I left the United States and went to, say, Iraq? Would I then be okay because I left the land were everybody is bad, and moved to a land where everybody is good?
Does EVERYBODY in this land of Babylon deserve to be punished, while NOBODY in any other nation in the entire world does?
To me, it doesn't make sense.
Okay, that's my two cents. Carry on.
Quote (carmel @ May 09 2013,14:55) Why did Jesus told Magdalene that he was not yet in the state of His Father………
“In the state of his Father”?
What if “ascend to” simply means “ascend to”? Then what?Charles, just ASSUME it does for a minute. ASSUME that Jesus ascended to his Father and his God. Does God Almighty have a father? Does He have a God of His own?
So if you accepted “ascend to” as it was written (without having to come up with an alternate meaning for those Greek words), would you be able to accept that Jesus is someone other than God Almighty? Would you be able to accept the words of your Lord when he told us that our one and only God is also HIS one and only God?
Charles, even the fact that you realize Jesus HAS a Father should be enough to tell you he isn't God Almighty.
Quote (carmel @ May 10 2013,07:55) 942767,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father Marty,
It would be very interesting, if you were to support your conclusion, not just say so!
Quote but you cannot state that it means that in these scriptures: AFTER ALL YOU ALSO CANNOT STATE THAT IT MEANS NOT WHAT I STATED UNLESS YOU GIVE PROOF!
I AM SURE THAT scripture is well clear and in favour of my conclusios:
Reflect:
Touch me not!
Why Jesus said the above words to Magdalene when a few hours later he enterred through stone walls, and seated himself in the midst of his brethren where they were locked,and never bothered to be touched?
Why Jesus said the above words to Magdalene if not to protect her,and not to hurt her, since she was a mortal,sinfull creature,?
Why Jesus couldn't protect her?
Why did Jesus told Magdalene that he was not yet in the state of His Father, although he had just resurrected and then he told her in the same time that he will be later in the state of His Father and so on?
Don't you think that all these circumstances were purposely prepared by Jesus in order to establish the truth, regarding his resurrection, and also what Jesus hadreally become from that moment in time onwards?
Are you ready,, for the LOVE IN CHRIST to accept the truth?
Are you ready FOR THE LOVE IN CHRIST to hear what you, with every respect cannot discern?
I already posted in details regarding this, and if you would like to read it I will post it to you again!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles:Just read the scripture, Charles. Tell me how it can mean what you are claiming that it may mean. He said: “for I am not yet ascended to my Father”.
Are you trying to state that he “was going to ascend to the position of the Father”?
The proof is the scripture itself.
This is what he stated prior to the crucifixion, and resurrection:
Quote Jhn 16:16 ¶ A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. Jhn 16:17 Then said [some] of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
Jhn 16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
Jhn 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
Jhn 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
Jhn 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
Jhn 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
Jhn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.
Jhn 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Jhn 16:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Jhn 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Jhn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Jhn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jhn 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Jhn 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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