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Quote Jesus said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, t8,
PERMIT ME TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER TRUTH REGARDING THE ABOVE VERSE OF JOHN 17:1:5
John17: 1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:
Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
CLEAR!
GLORIFY YOUR SON,THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!
SO IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT THEY BOTH GLORIFIED EACH OTHER
SO:UNLESS ALL THOSE THAT READ THIS VERSE BE AWARE WHAT THIS GLORIFICATION CONSISTS OF, IT'S NO USE ARGUE AND USE THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE
ThisPARTICULAR paragraph started and ended in an emphatic SAME way !
THEREFORE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON AS GOD'S SPIRITS ARE GLORIFIED IN ONE BEING
JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,THE WORD MADE FLESH, THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH,
SO THE HOLY SPIRIT”S JOB WAS INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON, THEREFORE :
UNIFYING THE FATHER AS GOD AND THE SON AS MAN.
THE WORD IN FLESH, THE MEDIATOR!
MASTICATE:
A SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT FORGIVEN IN THIS WORLD AND IN THE WORLD TO COME
OBVIOUS ONLY THROUGH HIS MEDIATION, IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT GOD BECOMES MAN IN JESUS CHRIST, ONLY THROUGH HIS MEDIATION IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT GOD CREATED OUR WORLD!
ALWAYS A TRIUNE GOD IN DIFFERENT FUNCTION, BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT REMAIN IN BETWEEN TO UNITE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON!
SO:
THE FATHER 'S SPIRIT IS JESUS'S SPIRIT AS MAN,
THE HOLY SPIRIT, IS JESUS' SOUL AS MAN!
THE SON'S SPIRIT, IS JESUS’ FLESH SUBSTANCE AS MAN!
ALL OF GOD!
THIS RECIPROCAL GLORIFICATION OF BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON, IS VITAL TO DISCERN, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IF WE LOOK AT JESUS AS ONE BEING, ONLY MAN, NOT ALSO DIVINE, WE WOULD BE DEFINITELY IN A CONFLICT,REGARDING THE TRUTH!
JESUS STARTED THIS CHAPTER WITH THIS VITAL CONCEPT PURPOSELY, SINCE IT WAS THE TIME THAT HE WOULD TRANSFORM BOTH HIS FLESH BODY AND HIS SOUL TO, RECIPROCALLY GIVE EACH OTHER THEIR RESPECTIVE QUALITIES, ATTRIBUTES!
THIS MEANS, THAT THE SOUL,THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHERFOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, RECEIVES ALL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES FROM JESUS AS MAN, AND JESUS’ FLESH BODY IN THE SAME INSTANT LIKEWISE, RECEIVES GOD’S ATTRIBUTES FROM HIS SOUL AS SPIRIT!
THROUGH THIS PROCESS THEY BECOME ONE BEING IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
REFLECTING UPON THIS CONCEPT, YOU WOULD BE AWARE THAT JESUS WAS SENT BY THE FATHER TO BE BORN AS MAN PURPOSELY TO LIVE THE MOST PERFECT SPIRITUAL LIFE EVER ON EARTH AS MAN!
ONLY GOD COULD ACHIEVE THIS UNFATHOMABLE TASK
ONE SPECK OF THE LEAST OF SIN, AND OUR SALVATION RUINED ETERNALLY!
BY DOING SO HE ERADICATED THE ENTIRE NEGATIVE OF HUMAN ATTRIBUTES EVER EXISTED, AND WILL EVER EXIST!
OBVIOUS HE IS THE ETERNAL LIFE!
THEREFORE SATAN’S FUNDAMENTAL ASSETTS BECAME NULL
MORE TO COME!
Peace and love to Jesus
Charles
kerwin,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Spirit of the antichrist has been around since sin was conceived in Satan's heart. Kerwin,
ACTUALLY HE WAS STILL LUCIFERwhen he sinned
AFTER HE SINNED, GOD SEPARATED HIM FROM HIS SPIRITUAL BODY!
HIS SPIRIT BECAME AN EVIL SPIRIT AND ACQUIRED THE NAME OF HIS EVIL KINGDOM SATANIA AND HIS HEADQUARTERS IS THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH, OUR ENERGY,OBVIOUS BY GOD THROUGH THE WORD: THE MEDIATOR
His ex body ARE THE JEWS, and HIS EX ANGELS' BODIES are us the gentiles!
SO IN REALITY THAT IS OUR ORIGINAL SIN!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
JESUS SPEAKING TO SCRIBES AND PHARISEES:
New International Version (©2011)
And so upon YOU will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, WHOM YOU MURDERED between the temple and the altar.New Living Translation (©2007)
As a result, YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for the murder of all godly people of all time–from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom YOU killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar.English Standard Version (©2001)
so that on YOU may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
so that upon YOU may fall the GUILT of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, WHOM YOU MURDERED between the temple and the altar.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
So all the righteous blood shed on the earth WILL BE CHARGED TO YOU, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.International Standard Version (©2012)
As a result, YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of the righteous Abel to the blood of Berechiah's son Zechariah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.NET Bible (©2006)
so that on you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
So that all the blood of the righteous may come upon you that has been shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, even unto the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered in the midst of The Temple and the altar.GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
As a result, you will be held ACCOUNTABLE for all the innocent blood of those murdered on earth, from the murder of righteous Abel to that of Zechariah, son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you slew between the temple and the altar.American King James Version
That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar.American Standard Version
that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.Douay-Rheims Bible
That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.Darby Bible Translation
so that all righteous blood shed upon the earth should come upon you, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.English Revised Version
that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.Webster's Bible Translation
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.Weymouth New Testament
that all the innocent blood shed upon earth MAY COME ON YOU, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Berechiah whom you murdered between the Sanctuary and the altar.***[[WHEN THESE BIBLES SAY “come upon you,” IT SEEMS TO MEAN THAT THEY WOUKD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE, and GUILTY, for these things]]***
World English Bible
that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you killed between the sanctuary and the altar.Young's Literal Translation
that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar:Read the above scripture. Now compare what it says of Babylon:
Now, compare this to revelation:
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?Quote (david @ May 07 2013,04:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
Hi David,Are you suggesting that Christendom (according to YOU) shuts up
the kingdom of heaven against men and makes others
a twofold child of hell? (ref. Matt 23:13-15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (942767 @ May 05 2013,16:00) This is what Stong's condordance states relative to the word “ascend”: Quote Number 305
Transliteration:
anabaino {an-ab-ah'-ee-no}
Word Origin:
from 303 and the base of 939
TDNT:
1:519,90
Part of Speech:
verb
Usage in the KJV:
go up 37, come up 10, ascend 10, ascend up 8, climb up 2, spring up 2, grow up 2, come 2, enter 2, arise 2, rise up 2, misc 2, vr ascend 1Total: 82
Definition:
ascendAnd so, the scripture states that he was going to ascend to his Father and his God and to our Father and our God. What is so hard to understand about this.
Marty,John 6:62
Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!The Greek word is the same in this verse. So if the verse you are using makes it clear that Jesus would ascend into heaven, to his God and our God, then the verse I've just quoted should make it equally clear that Jesus was ascending back to where he had already previously been, right?
So using your own words, What is so hard to understand about this?
Quote (carmel @ May 05 2013,01:41) MIke, IT IS ONLY THE REASON THAT YOU SIMPLY COMMITTED YOURSELF THAT :
1. THE WORD IS NOT GOD!
2. THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH BUT NOT GOD IN FLESH
3. THE WORD IS JESUS CHRIST, BUT NOT GOD/MAN
Yeah Charles,But the reason I've committed myself to these things is because they are the things taught in the scriptures.
1. The Word OF God Almighty cannot possibly BE the Almighty God he is the Word OF, right?
2. God Almighty is not man, nor does He ever change. So your claim that God Almighty Himself came in the flesh to be killed by the puny humans He Himself created holds no water. Nor is such a thing ever taught in any scripture. The scriptures say God sent His Son to be born of flesh and die at the hands of human beings. Your teaching says God Himself came to be born of flesh and die at the hand of human beings. Sorry Charlie, but I have to stick with what the scriptures teach.
3. I haven't been taught in scripture about any “God/Man”, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. I do, however, understand that the word “Christ” means “anointed one”, and that Jesus is the anointed one OF God Almighty. Again, the one whom God Almighty anointed cannot possibly be the Almighty God who anointed him, right?
Quote (t8 @ May 05 2013,17:07) Jesus said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you”. And many here deny Jesus and by correcting us who speak this, they are correcting Jesus too and the Father who sent him. Do these people realise the gravity of the situation. I think not.
Good point. I would not want to be the one in the position of correcting our Creator and the King He appointed over us.Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,01:02) GLORIFY YOUR SON,THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU! SO IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT THEY BOTH GLORIFIED EACH OTHER
And?
Aren't we all servants and heirs of our God, just like Jesus is? (Romans 8:17) And aren't we suppose to glorify our God in all of our actions, just like Jesus did? (1 Corinthians 10:31)
I'm not seeing anything in that verse that even hints at Jesus being God Almighty, Charles.
Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2013,17:03) Hi T8, What I illustrate here is that the concept of “The Trinity” is
to narrow a scope when defining the actions of “GOD”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J. The concept of the Trinity is false.Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2013,17:04) Hi T8, Glad to see you realize that we as well as the angels
will take part in revealing YHVH to this world.
I am sure your words here have a more intended deeper meaning.Perhaps what you are saying is, “I am glad you see things my way now”.
Regardless, your idea that I realise this is misleading because I have taught this all along and had much opposition because of it.
Theos and elohim have a greater range of meanings than most Christians realise. Even an earthquake can be called elohim.
Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2013,17:05) Hi T8, You're forgetting that it was I who suggested that you to start the thread:
“Have you learned something new., Have you changed your mind?”
(as a place to document what “we” (not just me) learned at H-net)And how it was my suggestion for you to start the category “The Hot Seat”
(as a place to document those who refuse to answer simple questions)
All hail Ed J for the name “Hot Seat”.Still, I am yet to see you admit to any of your errors.
Till then, I will assume that you have not grown much and view yourself as too important.A humble man who admits his faults is a man growing in the faith.
Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,20:17) GLORIFY YOU SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU! WHO IS GLORIFYING WHO?
THE FATHER
THE SON
OR BOTH?
According to the order you suggest here, the Father glorifies the son and then the son returns the glory.Likewise God loves us first and surely we are to love God in return.
Quote (Ed J @ May 07 2013,09:19) Quote (david @ May 07 2013,04:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
Hi David,Are you suggesting that Christendom (according to YOU) shuts up
the kingdom of heaven against men and makes others
a twofold child of hell? (ref. Matt 23:13-15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed.I tend to use the word “Christendom” wrongly. Sorry.
Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
David,Atheists, heretics, pagans, and even the corrupt that know the truth have all persecuted the saints. I believe some of the Prophets may have been killed by pagan Jews. There is no one religion, city, or country that is responsible for all the evil leveled against the saints. There are a type of people.
t8,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote According to the order you suggest here, the Father glorifies the son and then the son returns the glory. t8,
FIRST AND FORMOST:
I SUGGESTED NOTHING.
THE SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR ENOUGH BUT:
WITH EVERY RESPECTSINCE WE ARE ALL HUMANS
THAT'S WHAT YOUR CORRUPT MINDED MENTALITY, INTELIGENCE, WORLDLY WISDOM TELLS YOU!
READ AGAIN:
GLORIFY YOUR SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!
SO THE WORD RETURN DOES NOT EXIST!
IT IS ONE RECIPROCAL ACT, THE FATHER GLORIFIED HIS SON, AND IN THE SAME INSTANT, IN ONE ACTION,THE SON GLORIFIED HIS FATHER!
THEY BOTH GLORIFIED EACH OTHER IN ONE INSTANT
SIMILAR TO :
A DIRECT IMPACT BY TWO EQUAL ELEMENTS! IT IS ONE IMPACT,BUT BOTH RECEIVE AND BOTH GIVE EQUALLY!
SO THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS'SOUL,ACTED FIRST!
BUT AS SOON AS THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER MADE CONTACT WITH HIS SON, BOTH THE FATHER AND HIS SON EQUALLY GAVE AND RECEIVED EACH OTHER!
THE FATHER RECEIVED THE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES FROM THE SON!
THE SON RECEIVED THE GODLY ATTRIBUTES FROM THE FATHER!
THERE'S NOTHING WHICH MOVES BACK AND FORTH!FROM THE FATHER TO THE SON, AND VICE VERSA!
BUT THROUGH UNIFICATION,THEY BOTH BECAME ONE, ETERNALLY
Genesis 2:24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote But the reason I've committed myself to these things is because they are the things taught in the scriptures Mike,
They are the things taught in the scriptures different in many churches? WHY?
Quote 1. The Word OF God Almighty cannot possibly BE the Almighty God he is the Word OF, right? In the moment you die, which one will be Mike?
Mike the flesh in the grave?
Or Mike the soul in front of Jesus to be judged ?
Or Both the one in the grave, and the one in front of Jesus would be Mike?
Now on what Jesus will judge?
On whatever MIke the soul did?
On whatever Mike the flesh did?
Or on both whatever Mike the flesh and soul did?
Since in front of Jesus would be Mike the soul, would you say to Jesus that you the soul, cannot be the same Mike the flesh who committed all those lies regarding Jesus was not God in flesh, while Mike the soul in flesh was alive on earth?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2013,23:33) Quote (david @ May 06 2013,23:52) Kerwin, does Jesus words not indicate what this scripture in revelation was referring to?
And does it not seem like both scriptures indicate that Babylon the great, (Christendom/false religion as a whole/religious leaders) are the ones responsible for the shed blood of both prophets and people in general?
David,Atheists, heretics, pagans, and even the corrupt that know the truth have all persecuted the saints. I believe some of the Prophets may have been killed by pagan Jews. There is no one religion, city, or country that is responsible for all the evil leveled against the saints. There are a type of people.
Hi kerwin, I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Of course various different people and groups have persecuted the holy ones.That's not in despute.
But, can you comment on Jesus words and how they compare to what was said of Babylon the great?
Quote (david @ May 07 2013,04:44) JESUS SPEAKING TO SCRIBES AND PHARISEES: New International Version (©2011)
And so upon YOU will come ALL the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, WHOM YOU MURDERED between the temple and the altar.New Living Translation (©2007)
As a result, YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for the murder of ALL godly people of all time–from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom YOU killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar.
Now, compare this to revelation:“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED on the earth.”–rev 18:24
Kerwin, have you thought about why Jesus said they would be held accountable for ALL the righteous murdered, including Abel, someone they of course didn't murder?
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