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Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,10:19) Hi JB2U, There is no triune God mentioned in Scripture – but these terms “are” mentioned in Scripture:
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy SpiritDo you deny this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I think this post is a bit silly Ed J.No one denies that.
And I could frame a similar post.
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy Spirit
4. Angels (theos/elohim)
5. Men (counsel/theos)My point is that you can force the numbers anyway you want.
A Quinitarian could do what I just did, and a Quadritarian, Trinitarian, Binitarian, and Unitarian can all do the same.
Simply put, this proves nothing. We have scripture says that Jesus said, “I pray that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
I believe in Jesus Christ, thus I believe his words above. If a man does not believe these words of Jesus, then they are in denial of their supposed master's words.
Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,16:09) I believe it SHOULD concern you. If I believe something to be true that is not stated in the Bible, I would be concerned. I can appreciate that you want to “expand my horizon,” but that does not mean that the horizon is where the truth is, right? If you show me BIBLICAL truth for what you believe then I can believe it; however, if you just tell me what you believe using ambiguous verses or misinterpreted verses, I can not believe that. Does that make sense to you?
As far as the meaning of Jewish names, are you aware that most Hebrew names use a form of GOD's name in them? It only proves that they show reverence to the one true GOD. I fail to see where it really proves that Jesus is GOD???
100% agree.+1
Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,17:00) Why is it that I asked Ed J and Charles for a VERY simple thing, and I have yet to receive it?? Show me where, in the Bible, it clearly says…Jesus is Yahweh.
This should not be hard. If Jesus is GOD and the Bible is the revelation of the Word, then surely it is CLEARLY stated that Jesus is Yahweh somewhere in the Bible!!!
Many are not transparent here.Some will not admit truth that could threaten their belief base. Such are not truth seekers, but love the sound of their own voice and their own knowledge above truth. They choose to be like this.
But blessed is the man who loves truth to the degree that it even puts himself in poor light. Such a man is being perfected and has crucified himself so that Christ can live in him. He is being clothed with Christ so that his shame is covered in the glory of Christ.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote At the most, it simply clarifies for us that there IS a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit. MIke,
NO MIKE!
You are confused!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
T,I am curious about what Ed thinks of the human clones that scientist have made but do not allow to mature past an early stage of life.
Quote (david @ May 03 2013,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54) Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24When on earth, Jesus similarly spoke of a certain group who were accountable for “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”–mat 23:35-38
He was speaking of the religious leaders of Jerusalem.
David,Jesus was put to death by the state at the urging of religious authorities of his time. Rome put him to death. Judah urged them to do so despite their reluctance.
Jesus is rebuking Jerusalem, and the people therein. It seems you are confusing Babylon with the False prophet. Babylon, like Jerusalem, was a capital city.
Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:25) Quote (david @ May 03 2013,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54) Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24When on earth, Jesus similarly spoke of a certain group who were accountable for “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”–mat 23:35-38
He was speaking of the religious leaders of Jerusalem.
David,Jesus was put to death by the state at the urging of religious authorities of his time. Rome put him to death. Judah urged them to do so despite their reluctance.
Jesus is rebuking Jerusalem, and the people therein. It seems you are confusing Babylon with the False prophet. Babylon, like Jerusalem, was a capital city.
No. See the account. Read the account. He starts out with:“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”
Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
“all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”Now, compare this to revelation:
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24Quote (david @ May 04 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:25) Quote (david @ May 03 2013,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54) Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24When on earth, Jesus similarly spoke of a certain group who were accountable for “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”–mat 23:35-38
He was speaking of the religious leaders of Jerusalem.
David,Jesus was put to death by the state at the urging of religious authorities of his time. Rome put him to death. Judah urged them to do so despite their reluctance.
Jesus is rebuking Jerusalem, and the people therein. It seems you are confusing Babylon with the False prophet. Babylon, like Jerusalem, was a capital city.
No. See the account. Read the account. He starts out with:“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”
Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
“all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”Now, compare this to revelation:
“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24
David,I can see where his words could be understood to have been said to hypocrites who were bible scholars and those of the Pharisee sect that resided in Jerusalem.
Quote Show me where, in the Bible, it clearly says…Jesus is Yahweh. Jb2u,
FIRST AND FORMOST:
YAHWEH IS ARTIFICIAL! CORRUPTED MAN MADE NAME!
GOD IS A SPIRIT: HE NEVER HAD,OR NEEDED NAMES!
Now with this scripture hereunder,is more evidence THAT JESUS IS GOD, then if it HAD TO BE AS you said:
FOR US GENTILES VITAL TO KEEP IN MIND!
John 14:1 LET not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, (not Yahweh)BELIEVE ALSO IN ME
BELIEVING ONLY IN GOD, IS USELESS!
CALL ONTO GOD ONLY IS USELESS!
WE MUST DO BOTH IN ONE INSTANT!
THAT IS: WE CALL ONTO GOD, AND OUR MIND,DIRECTION AND BELIEF IS IN JESUS CHRIST! THE TRUTH! OR
WE CALL ONTO JESUS CHRIST,THE TRUTH!BUT OUR MIND DIRECTION AND BELIEF IS IN GOD!
SO GOD ON HIS OWN IS NOT SUFFICIENT, FROM OUR SIDE!
John 14:6:Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life.
NO MAN COME TO THE FATHER,BUT BY ME. BOTH WAYS! I EXPLAIN AS FOLLOWS!
AN EMPHASY TYPICAL OF JESUS!
THEREFORE JESUS IS BOTH OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD FOR US MORTALS!
WE MUST CALL HIM FATHER, AND GOD, SINCE HE WAS HUMAN,TO REACH THE ALMIGHTY. OUR DIRECT COMUNICATION NO MATTER WHAT MUST BE ONTO JESUS CHRIST! THEN THE ALMIGHTY ,SPIRIT, WOULD ACCEPT US!
JESUS IS GOD OF ALL FLESH FOR ALMIGHTY’S SAKE UP TO NOW!
THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT, WE ARE NOT SPIRITS, WE ARE CORRUPTED MORTAL BEINGS!ON OUR OWN WE ARE NOT IN THE POSSITION TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE ALMIGHY! THE OT IS A AN EVIDENCE ENOUGH! GOD BECAME MAN IN JESUS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THE ONLY SUITABLE MEDIATOR:
OF GOD AND MEN!
John 14: 7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also:
AND FROM THENCE FORTH YOU SHALL KNOW HIM,
CLEAR ENOUGH?
AFTER RESURRECTION BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH; ARE YOU STILL BLIND
AND YOU HAVE SEEN HIM! IN FRONT OF YOU!
ARE YOU STILL BLIND?
IN FLESH ONLY, THEREFORE JESUS, THE WORD, IS GOD IN THE TRUTH, THE ONLY SOLID PROOF OF GOD’S EXISTENCE, HIMSELF VISIBLE AS MAN!
John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip,
THAT I AM THE ONLY GENUINE IMAGE OF THE FATHER, AND MY FATHER HAS NO IMAGE, HE IS A SPIRIT!
he that seeth me seeth the Father also. ARE YOU STILL BLIND
THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE FATHER BE VISIBLE EXCEPT THAT HE IS WITHIN JESUS, THE WORD !
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in ME,
( AS GOD, AND AS FATHER)
the works that I do,
( OBVIOUS HE WAS MAN!)
he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.
13Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father IN MY NAME, JESUS, NOT YAHWEH!
that I do
SO WE ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME, AND JESUS WILL DO IT, NOT THE FATHER !
WE SIMPLY LITERALLY SAY: JESUS HELP ME, AND MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, IN THE TRUTH, WE WOULD MEAN GOD!
OR WE SAY GOD AND MENTALLY WE MEAN JESUS!
BOTH WAYS!
THEREFORE HE IS GOD THE FATHER! SINCE SPIRITUALLY WE MEANT SO,!
THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE!
IT IS NOT IN THE VISIBLE CARNAL ACTION THAT WE COMUNICATE WITH GOD, BUT WITH THE MENTALITY, AND SPIRITUALITY IN THE TRUTH! JESUS!
SO CALLING GOD ONLY, god of the world is Satan, considerring it a
REJECTION of JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY REFERENCE NAME OF AUTHORITY, THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH, IN THIS WORLD
YOUR KINGDOM COMES!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesQuote (t8 @ May 03 2013,12:29) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,10:19) Hi JB2U, There is no triune God mentioned in Scripture – but these terms “are” mentioned in Scripture:
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy SpiritDo you deny this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I think this post is a bit silly Ed J.No one denies that.
And I could frame a similar post.
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy Spirit
4. Angels (theos/elohim)
5. Men (counsel/theos)My point is that you can force the numbers anyway you want.
A Quinitarian could do what I just did, and a Quadritarian, Trinitarian, Binitarian, and Unitarian can all do the same.
Simply put, this proves nothing. We have scripture says that Jesus said, “I pray that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
I believe in Jesus Christ, thus I believe his words above. If a man does not believe these words of Jesus, then they are in denial of their supposed master's words.
Hi T8,Though you disagree with “The Trinitarians” view of God,
I have successfully illustrated the merits of these:1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy Spiritas they pertain to the three top (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel) of the five Major books of the bible…
Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,14:35) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28) Hi JB2U, Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)
Isaiah …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation”
(this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)Jeremiah …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High”
(this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)Ezekiel …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen”
(this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49)You do not dispute this comparison either, do you?
God bless
Ed J
Hi JB2U,Do you agree with this then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Are you asking if I agree with the meaning of the names? Yes. Although, Jeremiah means “Yahweh Throws” or “Yahweh Establishes”.Are you asking if I agree with the overly simplified meaning that you give? Well, I'll say yes, keeping in mind that it is overly simplified.
When are you going to show me where it says that Jesus is God?
Can you at least show me where it says God is a triune God?
Please.The “THREE” Major Feasts of the LORD (where ALL must attend) tie to these as well:
1. “The Passover” ……… Jesus Christ
2. “Pentecost” …………. God the Father
3. “Feasts of Booths …… Holy SpiritA study of God's feasts would help you to understand this better.
Why it's important to understand the seven feasts of God? Because in them is the recording of the Gospel:
1. The Passover (Pesach) – Nisan 14-15 (Leviticus 23:5)…………………..Passover is the feast of (יה) YÄ's Salvation.
2. Unleavened Bread (Chag Hamotzi) – Nisan 15-22 (Levi.23:6)……….Unleavened Bread is Jesus, the bread of life.
3. First Fruits (Yom Habikkurim) – Nisan 16-17 (Leviticus 23:10)………..First Fruits is resurrection or victory over death.
4. Pentecost (Shavu’ot) – Sivan 6-7 (Leviticus 23:16)…………………………Pentecost is God’s Spirit given to indwell in Man.
5. Trumpets (Yom Teru’ah) – Tishri 1 (Leviticus 23:24)………………………..Trumpets is our proclamation of liberty through faith.
6. Atonement (Yom Kippur) – Tishri 10 (Leviticus 23:27)……………………..is Jesus’ atoning sacrifice for our sins upon (†) a cross.
7. Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) – Tishri 15-22 (Lev.23:34)……………..is the Feast of our ingathering unto The LORD our GOD.Chanaukah symbolizes repentance, which is the rededication of life unto the LORD our GOD (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ May 03 2013,12:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
Hi T8,Yes I agree with you the bypass is what is important here.
That well may be the scientific method of the actual bypass.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:07) Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
T,I am curious about what Ed thinks of the human clones that scientist have made but do not allow to mature past an early stage of life.
Hi Kerwin,I do not see how a clone would be any different,
unless they made a clone from Jesus' dry blood.
But they might not be getting who they figure.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,06:33) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:07) Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
T,I am curious about what Ed thinks of the human clones that scientist have made but do not allow to mature past an early stage of life.
Hi Kerwin,I do not see how a clone would be any different,
unless they made a clone from Jesus' dry blood.
But they might not be getting who they figure.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Clones have only one parent each.
No female human, clone or not, has a Y chromosome passed to them.
Quote (kerwin @ May 05 2013,12:51) Quote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,06:33) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:07) Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
T,I am curious about what Ed thinks of the human clones that scientist have made but do not allow to mature past an early stage of life.
Hi Kerwin,I do not see how a clone would be any different,
unless they made a clone from Jesus' dry blood.
But they might not be getting who they figure.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Clones have only one parent each.
No female human, clone or not, has a Y chromosome passed to them.
Hi Kerwin,As I said I don't believe it would make a difference who they cloned,
unless they cloned Jesus' DNA; and even then they may not get who they want.That may be the means of 'The Antichrist' coming,
although I don't believe there will be a 'the antichrist'. The spirit of antichrist is already here.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (carmel @ May 04 2013,01:06) John 14:1 LET not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, (not Yahweh)BELIEVE ALSO IN ME BELIEVING ONLY IN GOD, IS USELESS!
CALL ONTO GOD ONLY IS USELESS!
It is amazing to me how, in the process of trying to convince us that Jesus IS God, Trinitarians often use wording that clearly distinguishes Jesus as someone other than God.jammin, in the other thread, keeps telling me that he readily accepts that Jesus is the Son, Mediator, Priest, Lamb, and Servant OF God, but then adds: But he is God too!
These kinds of comments simply don't register in my God-given sense-o-meter.
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Page 37:Quote I would not say that I am blind seeing how I can read what the Bible clearly says. This is what the bible clearly says:
John9:41Jesus said to them: If you were blind, you should not have sin: but now you say:
WE SEE
Your sin remaineth.
Quote Leaven is in the Bible around 30 times and not once is it good!!! Wrong read them all because in every one of them IT IS also GOOD! IT IS A PARADOX
Quote I can also SEE that Jesus said that His FATHER is the ONE and ONLY true God!!! DO NOT ISOLATE VERSES:
SO I RESPECTED YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT, HUMBLY SPEAKING, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG PROCESS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE HOLY SPIRIT MADE ME AWARE OF I’LL PASS IT ONTO YOU ALL!
John17: 1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
CLEAR!
GLORIFY YOUR SON,THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!
This paragraph started and ended in an emphatic way in itself!
THEREFORE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE GLORIFIED IN ONE BEING
JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD MADE FLESH, THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH,
THE FATHER'S SPIRIT, IS JESUS' SPIRIT AS MAN!
THE HOLY SPIRIT, IS JESUS' SOUL AS MAN!
THE SON'S SPIRIT, IS JESUS’ FLESH SUBSTANCE AS MAN!
ALL OF GOD!
NOW!
THIS RECIPROCAL GLORIFICATION OF BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON, IS VITAL TO DISCERN, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IF WE LOOK AT JESUS AS ONE BEING, ONLY MAN, NOT ALSO DEVINE, WE WOULD BE DEFINITELY IN A CONFLICT.
JESUS STARTED THIS CHAPTER WITH THIS VITAL CONCEPT PURPOSELY, SINCE IT WAS THE TIME THAT HE WOULD TRANSFORM BOTH HIS FLESH BODY AND HIS SOUL TO, RECIPROCALLY GIVE EACH OTHER THEIR RESPECTIVE QUALITIES.
THIS MEANS, THAT THE SOUL,THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHERFOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, RECEIVES ALL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES FROM JESUS AS MAN, AND JESUS’ FLESH BODY IN THE SAME INSTANT LIKEWISE, RECEIVES GOD’S ATTRIBUTES FROM HIS SOUL AS SPIRIT!
THROUGH THIS PROCESS THEY BECOME ONE BEING IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
WHILE HE WAS STILL LIVING ON EARTH:
John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
REFLECTING UPON THIS CONCEPT, YOU WOULD BE AWARE THAT JESUS WAS SENT BY THE FATHER TO BE BORN AS MAN PURPOSELY TO LIVE THE MOST PERFECT SPIRITUAL LIFE EVER ON EARTH AS MAN!
ONLY GOD COULD ACHIEVE THIS UNFATHOMABLE TASK
ONE SPECK OF THE LEAST OF SIN, AND OUR SALVATION RUINED ETERNALLY!
BY DOING SO HE ERADICATED THE ENTIRE NEGATIVE WITHIN HUMAN ATTRIBUTES SATAN'S ASSETTS EVER EXISTED, AND WILL EVER EXIST!
OBVIOUS HE IS THE ETERNAL LIFE!
THEREFORE SATAN’S FUNDAMENTAL ASSETTS BECAME NULL
John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world cometh, AND IN ME HE HATH NOT ANY THING
THROUGHOUT OF GOD!
SO JESUS IS NOT IN DEBT WITH SATAN
MORE TO COME!
Peace and love to Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,May wrote:Quote It is amazing to me how, in the process of trying to convince us that Jesus IS God, Trinitarians often use wording that clearly distinguishes Jesus as someone other than God. MIke,
IT IS ONLY THE REASON THAT YOU SIMPLY COMMITTED YOURSELF THAT :
THE WORD IS NOT GOD!
THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH BUT NOT GOD IN FLESH
THE WORD IS JESUS CHRIST, BUT NOT GOD/MAN
THEN YOU WOULD NEVER DISCERN THE TRUTH THAT:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST IS:
BOTH GOD,AND JESUS CHRSIT! ONE BEING
Genesis 2:4Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.
Mark 10:8And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. 9 WHAT THERFORE GOD HATH JOINED TOGETHER, LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER?
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH! ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
t8,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy Spirit
4. Angels (theos/elohim)
5. Men (counsel/theos)My point is that you can force the numbers anyway you want.
t8,
THAT IS A VERY POOR ASSUMPTION!
THE THREE CONCEPT WHICH SIGNIFIES PERFECTION, AND COMPLETENESS IS THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE!
THE FATHER
THE SON
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
Are designated as “Lord” and “God” IN THE BIBLE!
ONLY VERSES WHICH ARE AN EVIDENCE OF THREE PERSONS IN ONE PARTICULAR ACTION, AND NONE OF FIVE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BIBLE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,08:11) Quote (kerwin @ May 05 2013,12:51) Quote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,06:33) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:07) Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,11:27) Hi T8, Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?
I am saying that if sin came into the world by one man (not one woman), then bypassing Adam's genetic material which is corrupted, might well mean that. I have no proof and don't need it to be this way to support any doctrine I have.Just saying that it is interesting that it was by the man that sin came into the world and Jesus bypassed a human Father that is all. It could have big implications and it might not.
T,I am curious about what Ed thinks of the human clones that scientist have made but do not allow to mature past an early stage of life.
Hi Kerwin,I do not see how a clone would be any different,
unless they made a clone from Jesus' dry blood.
But they might not be getting who they figure.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Clones have only one parent each.
No female human, clone or not, has a Y chromosome passed to them.
Hi Kerwin,As I said I don't believe it would make a difference who they cloned,
unless they cloned Jesus' DNA; and even then they may not get who they want.That may be the means of 'The Antichrist' coming,
although I don't believe there will be a 'the antichrist'. The spirit of antichrist is already here.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J.,Then Jesus' genetics can lead to a man of sin instead of a man of righteousness.
Then sin is not carried from generation to generation through the Y chromosome.
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