Non-trinity believing church?

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,10:59)

Of course not, but we are not debating on whether God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit are in the Bible.

Hi JB2U,

You already agreed that they are in the bible – right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,13:09)

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28) Hi JB2U,                  Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)   Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation” (this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)   Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High” (this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)   Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen” (this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49) You do not dispute this comparison either, do you? God bless Ed J I can appreciate that you want to “expand my horizon,” but that does not mean that the horizon is where the truth is, right? If you show me BIBLICAL truth for what you believe then I can believe it; however, if you just tell me what you believe using ambiguous verses or misinterpreted verses, I can not believe that. Does that make sense to you?

Hi JB2U,

Do you agree with this then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Ed J, So is ELS the reason why you believe what you believe or did you believe first and then sought ELS?

I am just curious. This is not an argument. I am just wondering.

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,13:53)

Ed J, So is ELS the reason why you believe what you believe or did you believe first and then sought ELS? I am just curious. This is not an argument. I am just wondering.

Hi JB2U,

You mean “find a word” grids?
I'm not to familiar with them, why?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Why is it that I asked Ed J and Charles for a VERY simple thing, and I have yet to receive it??

Show me where, in the Bible, it clearly says…Jesus is Yahweh.

This should not be hard. If Jesus is GOD and the Bible is the revelation of the Word, then surely it is CLEARLY stated that Jesus is Yahweh somewhere in the Bible!!!

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,13:59)

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,13:53) Ed J, So is ELS the reason why you believe what you believe or did you believe first and then sought ELS? I am just curious. This is not an argument. I am just wondering. Hi JB2U, You mean “find a word” grids? I'm not to familiar with them, why? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What are you talking about, Ed J?

It is in your link under your name, in your signature (Holy City Bible Code)!!!!

[jb2u]

It talks about Theomatics. It also says that “it (the book) does make some correlations and references to it (ELS).”

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,14:06)

It talks about Theomatics. It also says that “it (the book) does make some correlations and references to it (ELS).”

Hi JB2U,

In the “FIVE” books of Moses called the Torah we see God had
his name (ELS) encoded in a way that most people did not know.

                       Here is the overview:

Genesis    Exodus    Leviticus   Numbers   Deuteronomy
TORH         TORH         YHVH        HROT         HROT
 —>            —>                           <—           <—
49-skip    49-skip  7 letter-skip  49-skip     49-skip

In a 49-letter-skip-interval the Hebrew word תורה TORH appears. It is
forward pointing towards Leviticus and backwards pointing towards
Leviticus. In Leviticus we see Gods name יהוה in a 7 letter-skip.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28)

Hi JB2U,                  Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)   Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation” (this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)   Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High” (this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)   Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen” (this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49) You do not dispute this comparison either, do you? God bless Ed J

Hi JB2U,

Do you agree with this then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,14:02)

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,13:59) Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,13:53) Ed J, So is ELS the reason why you believe what you believe or did you believe first and then sought ELS? I am just curious. This is not an argument. I am just wondering. Hi JB2U, You mean “find a word” grids? I'm not to familiar with them, why? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org What are you talking about, Ed J? It is in your link under your name, in your signature (Holy City Bible Code)!!!!

Hi JB2U,

Let me know if you want the book.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,14:35)

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28) Hi JB2U,                  Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)   Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation” (this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)   Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High” (this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)   Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen” (this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49) You do not dispute this comparison either, do you? God bless Ed J Hi JB2U, Do you agree with this then? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are you asking if I agree with the meaning of the names? Yes. Although, Jeremiah means “Yahweh Throws” or “Yahweh Establishes”.

Are you asking if I agree with the overly simplified meaning that you give? Well, I'll say yes, keeping in mind that it is overly simplified.

When are you going to show me where it says that Jesus is God?
Can you at least show me where it says God is a triune God?
Please.

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,15:09)

Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,14:35) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28) Hi JB2U,                  Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)   Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation” (this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)   Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High” (this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)   Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen” (this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49) You do not dispute this comparison either, do you? God bless Ed J Hi JB2U, Do you agree with this then? God bless Ed J Are you asking if I agree with the meaning of the names? Yes. Although, Jeremiah means “Yahweh Throws” or “Yahweh Establishes”. (1) Are you asking if I agree with the overly simplified meaning that you give? Well, I'll say yes, keeping in mind that it is overly simplified. (2) When are you going to show me where it says that Jesus is God? (3) Can you at least show me where it says God is a triune God? Please.

Hi JB2U,

1) Great, that was my goal!
2) It doesn't say that anywhere.
3) It doesn't say that anywhere either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Question for Charles and Ed J!!!! (others can answer if they want/can, too)

What religious organization/sect/cult/denomination/etc do you belong? Please answer…even if it is none.

[terraricca]

None. For me

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,21:20)

Question for Charles and Ed J!!!! (others can answer if they want/can, too) What religious organization/sect/cult/denomination/etc do you belong? Please answer…even if it is none.

Hi JB2U,

I have never been a member of any religious organization.     …how about you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

mikeboll64,May wrote:

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So then the DIRECT and CORRECT answer to my question is “NO, Mike.

Mike,

NO MIKE!

I am interested in the truth not to confuse people!

SO SORT IT OUT YOURSELF, AND CONFUSE YOURSELF!

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ALTHOUGH

THE WORD GLORY(NAME) , IS  SINGULAR!

IN THE  GLORY (NAME) OF!

IN THE SAME GLORY (NAME)!

GLORY!(NAME)

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The only way this worn out Trinitarian argument would work is if my body had a mind and will of its own, my soul had a mind and will of its own, and my spirit had a mind and will of its own.

WHO KNOWS THEY HAVEN'T?

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It only works if my body, soul, and spirit are all separate, individual PERSONS who can think and act for themselves.

WHO KNOWS THEY DON'T

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ May 03 2013,03:57)

Hi JB2U, I have never been a member of any religious organization.     …how about you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I was raised Baptist, but currently, I do not identify with any religious organization.

[david]

Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54)

Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read. “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again. No bride or groom will ever be found in her again The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices. I'll go do so,e research David, Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.

“In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
–rev 18:24

When on earth, Jesus similarly spoke of a certain group who were accountable for “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”–mat 23:35-38

He was speaking of the religious leaders of Jerusalem.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ May 02 2013,12:09)

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ALTHOUGH THE WORD GLORY(NAME) , IS SINGULAR!

The point is that the verse I quoted speaks of the glory (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the holy angels.

I'm trying my best to tell you that the fact the word “glory” is singular does NOT mean all three mentioned have the same glory.

Likewise, in your preferred version of Matt 28:19, the fact that the word “name” is singular does NOT mean all three mentioned have the same name (or “authority”).

I'm trying to get you to see that even with that scribal addition to the original Matt 28:19, it STILL doesn't say anything at all about the Father, Son and Spirit all having the SAME name (or “authority”). And it certainly doesn't say anything about them all being members of some “Godhead”.

At the most, it simply clarifies for us that there IS a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,04:21)

I do NOT assume that if someone disagrees with what I believe then they must be wrong; however, I DO believe that if someone disagrees with what the BIBLE says, then they ARE wrong!!! Does that make sense to you???

An important distinction.

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