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Quote (carmel @ April 30 2013,13:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2013,07:08) Charles, what do you make of the above verse? The word “glory” is singular. Do you think it means that Jesus, the holy angels, and the Father all have the SAME glory? Mike,
For you it is as you said!
BUT FOR ME NOT ALL HAVE THE SAME GLORY, THAT WOULD BE A STUPID CONCEPT!
I agree it would be a stupid concept for the Father, the Son, and the holy angels to all have the same glory.Yet the word “glory” IS singular in that verse. So if that singular word DOESN'T mean they all have the same glory, then the singular word “name”, in the altered version of Matthew 28:19, DOESN'T mean they all have the same name, does it?
Quote (jb2u @ April 30 2013,07:50) mike, I never said that Jesus mediates BETWEEN the Jews and Gentiles!!! Charles misquoted me!! I was saying the same thing that you are.
Yeah jb,I just read your post to Charles, explaining what you said originally, and what you meant by it.
I don't think Charles purposely twisted your words or misrepresented you. I believe he paraphrased what he truly believed you were saying the first time.
You have sufficiently corrected his misunderstanding, so all should be well now.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Yet the word “glory” IS singular in that verse. So if that singular word DOESN'T mean they all have the same glory, then the singular word “name”, in the altered version of Matthew 28:19, DOESN'T mean they all have the same name, does it? Mike,
You said:
DOESN'T mean they all have the same name, does it?
I ELABORATED TO GIVE THE SIGNIFICATION OF THE WORD NAME ENOUGH! NO?
SO IF IT IS ONE GLORY OF GOD NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MULTY
IT IS ALSO ONE REFERENCE TO AUTHORITY NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THEY ARE:
THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT
THREE BUT UNITED AS ONE AUTHORITY IN THE WORD BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT
JESUS CHRIST
MIKE YOU ARE ONE BEING IN
BODY
SOUL
SPIRIT
THERE WOULD BE A TIME NO MATTER HOW LONG, THAT YOU WOULD BE UNIFIED IN ONE BEING :
THAT, THOUGH ON THE LAST DAY WHEN ALL CREATURES LIKE A BRIDE WOULD UNIFY WITH THE BRIDEGROOM JESUS CHRIST MYSTICAL BODY AND BECOME LIKE HE IS NOW
GLORIFIED AND UNITED WITH HIS SOUL AND FLESH BODY AND HIS FATHER'SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SOUL!
THEN THE FATHER'S SPIRIT WOULD UNIFY HIMSELF ENTIRELY WITH HIS SON'S KINGDOM,
THE ENTIRE CREATURES BOTH SPIRIT, AND FLESH IN JESUS'MYSTICAL BODY AND BECOME:
ALL IN ALL
ALL FATHER'S SPIRITUAL CREATURES IN ALL HIS SON'S CARNAL CREATURES!
THE FATHER LOVES THE SON!
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT METIONED DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE IS ALREADY UNITED AS ONE BEING IN :
JESUS CHRIST SINCE RESURRECTION
SO HERE YOU HAVE A FUTURE REALISTIC VISION THAT GOD:
IS ONE BEING
IS MYRIAD BEINGS
AND WOULD BE REALLY
ONE ALMIGHTY GOD AS HE NEVER WAS BEFORE!
ALL THAT MY FATHER HAS IS MINE!
THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT REMAINED INTACT AS HE ALWAYS WAS IN EVERY SENSE:
THE SON WHO WAS A COMPLETE SPIRIT BEING THE WORD WITHIN THE FATHER THE SAME GOD:
BECAME THE ENTIRE CREATURES,BUT HE ALSO RETAINED HIS SPIRIT,
WHAT HE HAD BEFORE:OBVIOUS WITHIN THE FATHER!
OTHERWISE THE FATHER WOULD BE HANDICAPPED!
Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me,
I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING;
but should raise it up again in the last day.
NOTICE : NOT SHOULD BE RAISED, BUT
SHOULD RAISE IT UP AGAIN
OBVIOUS HE IS GOD HIMSELF
a really ALMIGHTY GOD FOR SURE
HOW A MERE MORTAL CORRRUPTED CARNAL CREATURE COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD IS EXCEPT:
ALL POSSIBILITY .
EVEN TO REMAIN ALIVE HE OPTED TO DIE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 01 2013,07:16) jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. Jb2u,
IN ALL OF MATTHEW 13, THERE'S SOMETHING COMMON AT THE END OF EVERY PARABLE!
THEY ALL END WITH A POSSITIVE ACHIEVEMENT! NO?
EXPLAIN :
HOW COME THEREFORE 13: 33 ENDS UP IN A MESS
THE WHOLE IS LEAVENED?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I disagree. It would depend on what “side” you are on. For the evil sower it will not end good. For the lukewarm Christian it will not end up so good. For the Harlot that hid the leaven it will not end up so good. For the “bad” caught in the net, they are cast into the fire…that will not end up good for them!!!You keep saying Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all GOD. Right? Well, where is Jesus EVER called Yahweh?? Just give me the verse, one verse only. I am sure there are many, but just give me one where Jesus is actually called Yahweh.
I gave you a verse where Jesus calls His Father the ONLY true GOD, which would mean that Jesus is not GOD. So, in fairness, just give me one verse that clearly says that Jesus is Yahweh.
Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,01:26) My aim is to discuss what Scripture actually says. Many claim one thing or another, but we must compare what
people say to what scripture says. Many are too closed minded to discuss
what goes against the sacred cow of their own mind. I hope this is not the case with you.
You assume if someone disagrees with what you believe they must be wrong. (this is where the problem lies!)“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.” (Luke 8:17)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do go by what Scripture ACTUALLY says.And….it NEVER says Jesus is Yahweh!!! You may believe that it implies it, but that is NOT “going by what Scripture actually says” then is it???
I agree with you that what one says should be compared to scripture. I am VERY open minded. My belief goes completely against “mainstream” Christianity, right?? The “sacred cow” is the trinity!! Most people seem to “fear” even considering that the trinity is a false doctrine. I, however, believe that GOD appreciates me trying to get to know Him. I know GOD made it clear that He is GOD, alone, and Jesus is His Son.
To “get” the trinity, one MUST read into verses, ignore the Scripture as a whole, and ignore Jesus' own words!! Even then, the trinitarians will say, “it's a mystery that you just CAN'T understand.” While Jesus tells us that “we worship what we KNOW”!!!!
I do NOT assume that if someone disagrees with what I believe then they must be wrong; however, I DO believe that if someone disagrees with what the BIBLE says, then they ARE wrong!!! Does that make sense to you???
Again, I accept the fact that you and charles believe in a triune God. I accept the fact that Charles will continue to post some rather bizarre posts that are not backed by the true meaning of the Scripture. Nothing against him, I am sure he means well and believes what he “puts out there.” I have TRIED to see the trinity concept in the Bible!!! The problem is…it just is NOT there!! Life would be a lot easier for me if it were, right? Remember, this whole thread started because I really wanted to find a church to go to. If I believed in the trinity, I could have my choice of 50 churches within a few miles!!! However, I do not believe in the trinity. As much as I have tried, I just can NOT see what you and charles see!!! In order to believe in the trinity, I would have to ignore Jesus' own words. I can not see the TRUTH in that!!!
Quote (jb2u @ May 01 2013,00:45) [/quote] jb2u,May wrote:Quote This proves the last sentence in Gal 3:20 correct….”but GOD is one.” He is the GOD of ALL the children in the world!!! Jbtu,
READ AGAIN :
HE IS THE GOD OF ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE WORLD!
GOD IS ONE!
AND HOW! ALMIGHTY ONE FOR SURE! NOT JUST WORDS!
SO!
HE DOESN'T NEED A SEPARATE ENTITY TO DEAL FOR HIM!
IT SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST!
HE DEALS HIMSELF WITH HIS OWN ENTIRE ENTITIES:
SINCE:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM
NOW MASTICATE THIS!
AN ORDINARY MEDIATOR IS NOT OF ONE, CONSISTENCE SUBSTANCE, BUT MORTAL SINFULL FLESH ,SOUL, AND SPIRIT! CORRUPTED!
BUT GOD IS ONE CONSISTENCE PURE SUBSTANCE ENTIRELY SPIRIT
WHO WOULD BE THEREFORE THE RIGHT MEDIATOR?
ALSO:
AN ORDINARY MEDIATOR IS ONLY A JUSTIFIED ENTITY IF HE IS AWARE, FAMILIAR OR EXPERIENCED, IN BOTH FIELDS OF THE RESPECTIVE PARTIES!
THEREFORE SUPERIOR TO THE PARTICULAR PROBLEMS WHICH HE HAS TO SOLVE!
AND MOST OF ALL, ALSO AUTONOMOUS
NOW :
NO ONE IS AWARE OF GOD’S ATTRIBUTES!
NO ONE IS FAMILIAR OR EXPERIENCED WITH GOD'S ATTRIBUTES!
NO ONE IS SUPERIOR TO GOD'S ATTRIBUTES !
NOT EVEN EQUAL, EXCEPT ONE!
ONLY HE HIMSLEF IN JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD
HE FULFILLS HIS OWN ACHIEVMENTS !NO MATTER WHAT!
THE ONLY ATTRIBUTES THAT GOD LACKED, WERE HUMAN’S!
SO NOTHING IS HARD FOR GOD !
THEREFORE GOD HAS TO BECOME GOD OF ALL MEN
THAT WAY HE WOULD ACHIEVE ALL WHICH HE NEVER HAD BEFORE!
ALL THAT MY FATHER HAS IS MINE!
SO JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD MADE FLESH GOD IN FLESH SOLVED GOD’S HANDICAP! AS MAN!
NOW READ:
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator
OF GOD AND MEN,
THE MAN JESUS CHRIST
NOTICE :
THERE'S NO THE WORDBETWEEN IN THIS STATEMENT:
ONE MEDIATOR
OF GOD AND MEN,
JESUS CHRIST
SO JESUS CHRIST IS:
A GOD AND MEN MEDIATOR
ALL IN HIM: ALL MEN IN HIM RECONCILED ON THE CROSS
ALL BY HIM: ALL MEN BY HIM CREATED BY HIS SPIRIT
ALL FOR HIM: ALL MEN FOR HIM CREATED FOR HIS MYSTICAL BODY THE SON'S KINGDOM: GOD'S KINGDOM!
IS THERE REALLY A DOUBT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD OF
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
BOTH GOD AND MAN
BOTH GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesCarmel,
The instruction to immerse students in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is an instruction to immerse them in the authority of the Father, Son, and God's Spirit. The authority of the Son and the Spirit comes from the Father and so is the Fathers. It is not a formula of baptism. If there is any formula then it is that the immersee is to call on the name of God and to make a pledge of a clear conscious before God. The immerser speaks of whose authority he is acting in. I am not even sure any of that is necessary as those believe do these things from the heart.
jb2u,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote For the evil sower it will not end good. For the lukewarm Christian it will not end up so good. For the Harlot that hid the leaven it will not end up so good. For the “bad” caught in the net, they are cast into the fire…that will not end up good for them!!! Jb2u,
DO NOT TELL ME THAT YOU ARE MORE INTRESTED IN THE EVIL DOERS, MORE THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
DO NOT TELL BE THAT YOU IGNORE JESUS' WORDS, GOD'S WORD, THAT WE MUST:
MATTHEW 6:33Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.
NOW READ:
The Parable of the Sower
8And others fell upon good ground: and they brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, and some thirtyfold. 9He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The above is a clear evidence, THAT ALTHOUGH ONLY FEW ACCEPTED THE WORD OF GOD
AT THE END GOD IS SATISIFIED FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THROUGH HIS SAINTS AND GRACES, HE WILL RECUPARATE ALL!
The Parable of the Weeds
Suffer both to grow until the harvest, and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers: Gather up first the cockle, and bind it into bundles to burn, but the wheat gather ye into my barn.
AGAIN in the above, notwithstanding the fact that the enemy, oversowed cockle, at the end he still GATHERRED THE WHEAT!
The Parable of the Mustard Seed
Which is the least indeed of all seeds; but when it is grown up, it is greater than all herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come, and dwell in the branches thereof.
THIS ONE AS WELL, although the mustard seed is the smallest, nevertheless it has grown into a tree for the birds to dwell upon!
The Parables of the Treasure and Pearl
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a treasure hidden in a field. Which a man having found, hid it, and for joy thereof goeth, and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
THIS PARTICULAR one at first, the man hid treasure he found, rather bizarre to do so, but KNOWING THE RICHES END RESULT HAPPILY, HE SOLD ALL HIS ENTIRE PROPERTY AND BOUGHT THE FIELD!
45Again the kingdom of heaven is like to a merchant seeking good pearls. 46Who when he had found one pearl of great price, went his way, and sold all that he had, and bought it.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ABOVE! The fact that in order to acquire the pearl of great price, he never preoccupied himself in selling all his property to do so,obvious he realized that he eventually would become more rich then he was before!
The Parable of the Net
So shall it be at the end of the world. The angels shall go out, and shall separate the wicked from among the just. 50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
ALSO ABOVE, there isn’t much of a problem at all catching all sort of fish,since at the end it would be possible to select the right ones! So GOD'S JUSTICE!
Now to the parable of the leaven
Another parable he spoke to them: The kingdom of heaven is like to leaven,( corruption, fornication, evil, and all the rest,)
which a woman ( why and what woman) NEVER MIND!
took and hid (why and where) NEVER MIND!
in three measures ( what kind ) NEVER MIND!
of meal, ( what kind) NEVER MIND!
until the whole was leavened.( until all is corrupted, evil, and all the rest)
SO AS I SAID ALL THE PARABLES HAD A POSSITIVE ENDING,BUT ACCORDING TO YOU, THE ABOVE PARABLE OF THE LEAVEN IS AN EXCEPTION
UNLESS YOU ARE THAT GOOD ( WHICH YOU AREN’T UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR MENTALITY THAT THE LEAVEN IS NOT ONLY EVIL) AND SUPPLY YOUR OWN POSSITVE ENDING!
NOW THIS IS A HINT:
NOTWITSANDING THE FACT THAT THE LEAVEN IS CORRUPTED, IT IS THROUGH ITS CORRUPTION THAT AT THE END THE BREAD ENRICHES ITSELF THROUGHOUT!
AND IT IS THE SAME WITH THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
IT IS THROUGH SATAN’S OWN PLAN THAT THE KINGDOM WOULD BE ACHIEVED!
JESUS BECAME THE MOST SINFULL ON THE CROSS,THEREFORE THE LEAVEN
BUT THROUGH BECOMING LEAVEN, HE BECAME A BREAD FULL OF RICHES!
SO THE LEAVEN IS NOT ONLY EVIL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,01:21) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,01:26) My aim is to discuss what Scripture actually says. Many claim one thing or another, but we must compare what
people say to what scripture says. Many are too closed minded to discuss
what goes against the sacred cow of their own mind. I hope this is not the case with you.
You assume if someone disagrees with what you believe they must be wrong. (this is where the problem lies!)“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.” (Luke 8:17)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do go by what Scripture ACTUALLY says.And….it NEVER says Jesus is Yahweh!!! You may believe that it implies it, but that is NOT “going by what Scripture actually says” then is it???
I agree with you that what one says should be compared to scripture. I am VERY open minded. My belief goes completely against “mainstream” Christianity, right?? The “sacred cow” is the trinity!! Most people seem to “fear” even considering that the trinity is a false doctrine. I, however, believe that GOD appreciates me trying to get to know Him. I know GOD made it clear that He is GOD, alone, and Jesus is His Son.
To “get” the trinity, one MUST read into verses, ignore the Scripture as a whole, and ignore Jesus' own words!! Even then, the trinitarians will say, “it's a mystery that you just CAN'T understand.” While Jesus tells us that “we worship what we KNOW”!!!!
I do NOT assume that if someone disagrees with what I believe then they must be wrong; however, I DO believe that if someone disagrees with what the BIBLE says, then they ARE wrong!!! Does that make sense to you???
Again, I accept the fact that you and charles believe in a triune God. I accept the fact that Charles will continue to post some rather bizarre posts that are not backed by the true meaning of the Scripture. Nothing against him, I am sure he means well and believes what he “puts out there.” I have TRIED to see the trinity concept in the Bible!!! The problem is…it just is NOT there!! Life would be a lot easier for me if it were, right? Remember, this whole thread started because I really wanted to find a church to go to. If I believed in the trinity, I could have my choice of 50 churches within a few miles!!! However, I do not believe in the trinity. As much as I have tried, I just can NOT see what you and charles see!!! In order to believe in the trinity, I would have to ignore Jesus' own words. I can not see the TRUTH in that!!!
Hi JB2U,There is no triune God mentioned in Scripture – but these terms “are” mentioned in Scripture:
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy SpiritDo you deny this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgkerwin,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote The authority of the Son and the Spirit comes from the Father and so is the Fathers. Kerwin,
the Father is God
the Son is God
the Holy Spirit is God
BUT one God
Notice the order of pronouncement!
to respect the order of execution to achieve the kingdom!
WE ARE IN THE LAST GOD'S PROCESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
TILL HE MAKE ALL THE ENEMIES ,JESUS' FOOTSTOOL!
Quote If there is any formula then it is that the immersee is to call on the name of God and to make a pledge of a clear conscious before God. NOT QUITE!
NOT IN THE NAME OF GOD!
BUT IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
HE IS THE REDEEMER IT IS THROUGH HIM ONLY IN ORDER TO BE PART OF GOD'S KINGDOM,THE MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS CHRIST
BUT FROM THE OTHER HAND YOU ARE RIGHT SINCE JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH!
Quote to make a pledge of a clear conscious before God. NO! NO! NO!
JESUS CHRIST IS THE JUDGE!
DENYING HIM YOU WILL BE DENIED IN FRONT OF GOD!
Quote I am not even sure any of that is necessary as those believe do these things from the heart. NO! NO! NO!
YOU ARE SIMPLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN SATAN'S PROPERTY AND EVERY TIME YOU MENTION JESUS CHRIST, SATAN'S SPIRIT AND ALL HIS DEMONS ARE HAMMERRED INTO HELL FOR AN INSTANT!
HE DEMONSTRATED THIS WHEN THEY CAME TO ARREST HIM, THEY ALL WENT DOWN BACKWORDS!
AND WHEN EVERY BAPTIZM IS PRONOUNCED IN THAT MANNER IT SIGNIFIES THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, IN THE FATHER, TO THE END IN THE HOLY SPIRIT ALL LUCIFER/SATAN'S WORK WAS ALL THE TIME FOR GOD KINGDOM'S EVENTUAL SUCCESS!
DEFINITELY EVERYTHING MUST COME FROM THE HEART IN JESUS CHRIST NAME THOUGH, HE REDEEMED US!
HIM THE FATHER SEALED, THE WORK OF GOD, THE WORK WHICH ENDURES TO EVERLASTING LIFE!
THAT'S WHY BAPTIZM IS BETTER DONE WHILE A CHILD,IN ORDER TO BE JUDGED!
ALSO SOMETHING TO PONDER!
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICATION OF THE NUDE MAN RUNNING AWAY ON HIS ARREST?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (t8 @ May 01 2013,10:11) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,04:32) Hi JB2U, Since Jesus was born 50% Man and 50% God that makes him
the perfect “Mediator” between us and God; don't you agree?
That is assuming that his 23 or so Chromosomes from God were God genes and not second Adam ones.After all it does say that he emptied himself and came as a man. And that he existed in the form of God before becoming a man.
So your hypothesis suggests that he lost 50% God genes and swapped them out for Mary's 23 chromosomes.
Whereas scripture seems to suggest that he emptied himself and came as a man and he is called the second Adam.
A.Further, if sin came into the world by one man, then bypassing that man and being the second Adam means he was not subject to sin and death and the first Adam.
Hi T8,I use the term 50% merely to denote who Jesus Parents were.
Jesus parents are documented in Matt.1:18, 1:20 & Luke 1:35.Ron Wyatt's discovery of the dry Blood on the Mercy seat was analyzed:
23 Chromosomes came from Mary & ONE “Y” Chromosome
(assumed to be added by God's Holy Spirit)A) Don't know what you mean here?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgCarmel,
Sadly Yawheh, the one and only, did not provide an instruction sheet on how believers are to be immersed. Instead we derive is from Scripture with his inspiration.
I know that a believer has to be immersed by the authority that comes from Yawheh. I do not know if the Yahweh's proxy has to verbally state that. I also do not know if a heretic can serve as God's proxy.
I do know that in their heart one makes a pledge of a clear conscious when he or she is immersed. I do not know if the pledge is also made physically or in writing. The same goes with calling on the name of God.
I also know that “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost” is not sound evidence to support the Trinity nor is “in the name of Jesus” evidence to disprove the Trinity.
Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,07:31) Quote (t8 @ May 01 2013,10:11) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,04:32) Hi JB2U, Since Jesus was born 50% Man and 50% God that makes him
the perfect “Mediator” between us and God; don't you agree?
That is assuming that his 23 or so Chromosomes from God were God genes and not second Adam ones.After all it does say that he emptied himself and came as a man. And that he existed in the form of God before becoming a man.
So your hypothesis suggests that he lost 50% God genes and swapped them out for Mary's 23 chromosomes.
Whereas scripture seems to suggest that he emptied himself and came as a man and he is called the second Adam.
A.Further, if sin came into the world by one man, then bypassing that man and being the second Adam means he was not subject to sin and death and the first Adam.
Hi T8,I use the term 50% merely to denote who Jesus Parents were.
Jesus parents are documented in Matt.1:18, 1:20 & Luke 1:35.Ron Wyatt's discovery of the dry Blood on the Mercy seat was analyzed:
23 Chromosomes came from Mary & ONE “Y” Chromosome
(assumed to be added by God's Holy Spirit)A) Don't know what you mean here?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi T8,Are you suggesting that the “Y” chromosomes from Adam's blood
(carried in the seed) is how sin is carried from generation to generation?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (carmel @ May 01 2013,00:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2013,10:46) Yet the word “glory” IS singular in that verse. So if that singular word DOESN'T mean they all have the same glory, then the singular word “name”, in the altered version of Matthew 28:19, DOESN'T mean they all have the same name, does it?
Mike,
I ELABORATED TO GIVE THE SIGNIFICATION OF THE WORD NAME ENOUGH! NO?
So then the DIRECT and CORRECT answer to my question is “NO, Mike. The singular word 'name' – whether it stands for authority or an actual personal name – does NOT mean that they all have the SAME name (or authority).”Try answering direct questions with direct answers once in a while, Charles.
Quote (carmel @ May 01 2013,00:25) MIKE YOU ARE ONE BEING IN BODY
SOUL
SPIRIT
The only way this worn out Trinitarian argument would work is if my body had a mind and will of its own, my soul had a mind and will of its own, and my spirit had a mind and will of its own. It only works if my body, soul, and spirit are all separate, individual PERSONS who can think and act for themselves.Is that the case, Charles?
Quote (carmel @ May 02 2013,04:29) Jbtu, READ AGAIN :
HE IS THE GOD OF ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE WORLD!
GOD IS ONE!
AND HOW! ALMIGHTY ONE FOR SURE! NOT JUST WORDS!
SO!
HE DOESN'T NEED A SEPARATE ENTITY TO DEAL FOR HIM!
IT SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST!…………..
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
GOD, who is the Father, IS an awesome GOD indeed!!!We BOTH agree that “he doesn't need a separate entity to deal for HIM.”
That being said…..Jesus came for US, not for GOD!!!!
WE needed a sacrifice, not GOD!!!
And so, He needed to be like US, not GOD!!! He was everything that WE should be, but fall short of, even from the first man!! Do you get it??? HE was OUR replacement to atone for sin, not GOD's replacement!!
Quote (carmel @ May 02 2013,06:32) Jb2u, DO NOT TELL ME THAT YOU ARE MORE INTRESTED IN THE EVIL DOERS, MORE THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD!………….
…………………
Now to the parable of the leavenAnother parable he spoke to them: The kingdom of heaven is like to leaven,( corruption, fornication, evil, and all the rest,)
which a woman ( why and what woman) NEVER MIND!
took and hid (why and where) NEVER MIND!
in three measures ( what kind ) NEVER MIND!
of meal, ( what kind) NEVER MIND!
until the whole was leavened.( until all is corrupted, evil, and all the rest)
SO AS I SAID ALL THE PARABLES HAD A POSSITIVE ENDING,BUT ACCORDING TO YOU, THE ABOVE PARABLE OF THE LEAVEN IS AN EXCEPTION
UNLESS YOU ARE THAT GOOD ( WHICH YOU AREN’T UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR MENTALITY THAT THE LEAVEN IS NOT ONLY EVIL) AND SUPPLY YOUR OWN POSSITVE ENDING!
NOW THIS IS A HINT:
NOTWITSANDING THE FACT THAT THE LEAVEN IS CORRUPTED, IT IS THROUGH ITS CORRUPTION THAT AT THE END THE BREAD ENRICHES ITSELF THROUGHOUT!
AND IT IS THE SAME WITH THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
IT IS THROUGH SATAN’S OWN PLAN THAT THE KINGDOM WOULD BE ACHIEVED!
JESUS BECAME THE MOST SINFULL ON THE CROSS,THEREFORE THE LEAVEN
BUT THROUGH BECOMING LEAVEN, HE BECAME A BREAD FULL OF RICHES!
SO THE LEAVEN IS NOT ONLY EVIL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
No, I did not say that I am MORE interested in the “evil doers.” I was pointing out that the parables had a good ending for the good and bad ending for the bad. Your claim is that it ends good for everyone!! If that were so, then GOD would not say that it is not his will that anyone would perish. Even GOD knows that these parables end bad for some, if not MANY!!!As for the parable of the leaven…
Why do you keep saying “NEVER MIND”? You come off sarcastic. You have this “pride” in your knowledge and are not sharing in it's entirety!! Why would this be? If you have the “truth”, then explain!! Do you think GOD gave you this knowledge to come to a website, pound your chest, and hold back the “true” meaning of this parable?? You can continue to be condescending if you choose, but that is not a quality that reflects a “man of God.”Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,07:19) Hi JB2U, There is no triune God mentioned in Scripture – but these terms “are” mentioned in Scripture:
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy SpiritDo you deny this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Of course not, but we are not debating on whether God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit are in the Bible.I also find Noah, Moses, satan, Peter, etc. That does not mean that they are part of a multi-God either.
The problem I have is that the Bible distinguishes BETWEEN the ONE true GOD and Jesus!! The problem is that the Bible NEVER calls Jesus “Yahweh.” I would think that this would concern you, too. The ONLY place that I can find this…..is the man made doctrine of the trinity!!! Does that concern you at all?? I really want to know, Ed J.
I believe that you really love God and want to know the truth. I have no doubt that you really believe what you want me to believe.
Quote (jb2u @ May 02 2013,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,07:19) Hi JB2U, There is no triune God mentioned in Scripture – but these terms “are” mentioned in Scripture:
1. God the Father
2. Jesus Christ
3. Holy SpiritDo you deny this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(1)Of course not, but we are not debating on whether God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit are in the Bible.I also find Noah, Moses, satan, Peter, etc. That does not mean that they are part of a multi-God either.
The problem I have is that the Bible distinguishes BETWEEN the ONE true GOD and Jesus!! The problem is that the Bible NEVER calls Jesus “Yahweh.” (2)I would think that this would concern you, too. The ONLY place that I can find this…..is the man made doctrine of the trinity!!! Does that concern you at all?? I really want to know, Ed J.
3) I believe that you really love God and want to know the truth. I have no doubt that you really believe what you want me to believe.
Hi JB2U,1) Great!
2) No it doesn't concern me – do you think it should?
3) I simply want to expand your horizon. You can choose to believe whatever you want.
Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)
Isaiah …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation”
(this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)Jeremiah …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High”
(this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)Ezekiel …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen”
(this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49)You do not dispute this comparison either, do you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 02 2013,12:28) Hi JB2U, 1) Great!
2) No it doesn't concern me – do you think it should?
3) I simply want to expand your horizon. You can choose to believe whatever you want.
Here is the pattern (you say you don't dispute)
Isaiah …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah is Salvation”
(this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah's Salvation”) (1John 2:2)Jeremiah …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High”
(this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because (we know) JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)Ezekiel …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen”
(this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49)You do not dispute this comparison either, do you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I believe it SHOULD concern you. If I believe something to be true that is not stated in the Bible, I would be concerned.I can appreciate that you want to “expand my horizon,” but that does not mean that the horizon is where the truth is, right? If you show me BIBLICAL truth for what you believe then I can believe it; however, if you just tell me what you believe using ambiguous verses or misinterpreted verses, I can not believe that. Does that make sense to you?
As far as the meaning of Jewish names, are you aware that most Hebrew names use a form of GOD's name in them? It only proves that they show reverence to the one true GOD. I fail to see where it really proves that Jesus is GOD???
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