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Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
Ed J and Charles…
I think I see the problem. I think I know why you both hold so fast to the trinity concept.
Ed J, you can not see how I explained the parable. I posted and reposted for you. The 3 measures of meal represents the unleavened body of Christ (the church). Not just one church, but the whole complete church body. All have been corrupted, mainly by this false doctrine of the trinity, but also with greed, hypocrisy, and lukewarm Christians. Since you can not see that I already explained the parable, I can only assume that you can not see the scriptures that clearly state…GOD is the Father and Jesus is His Son!!!
Charles, you just can not get the idea that you can NOT isolate an ambiguous verse and draw your own conclusion!!! Yes, there are verses that would lead one to believe that Jesus might be God, but when you look at the context of the verses surrounding it, you see that it has a different more clear meaning!! The problem is, Charles, you ignore the clear verses that say GOD is the Father, and He is the one and only true GOD.
I really do not know what to make of you two. I do pray that your eyes will be opened.
Quote (carmel @ April 29 2013,17:35) …………YOU SAID: one who intervenes between two,
PERFEECT
SO TO BE CLEAR THESE TWO PARTICULAR PARTIES ARE DEFINITELY ENEMIES,AND DIFFERENT IN EVERY SENSE NO?
Now let's say for our argument :
one is a Doctor and one is the most stupid garbage collector,
WHAT KIND OF A MEDIATOR SHOULD THESE TWO BEINGS LOOK FOR?
ANOTHER DOCTOR ?
A SOLICITOR ?
A COUNSELOR ?
PSYCHIATRIST ?
A SOCIOLOGIST ? AND SO ON! OR
ANOTHER GARBAGE COLLECTOR
OR A PERSON BOTH A DOCTOR AND A GARBAGE COLLECTOR?
IN ORDER TO BE PERFECT IN HIS INTERVENTIONS!
NO! NO! DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS READ AND REFLECT FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
Galatians 3:20 a mediator is not of one: but God is one WHY?
This is not just for you but for whoever is ready to answer in the truth!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
FIRST of all, you are completely wrong about your assumption that a mediator should be both things/professions of each party. Almost exclusively, a mediator is neither of each others profession!!! In GOD's case, the mediator should be everything that we SHOULD have been, not what GOD is, in order to atone for our sins. By doing this, He can speak on our behalf!!!Do not rush to conclusions read and reflect for your own good!!!
Secondly, you say “this is not just for you but for whoever is ready to answer in the truth.” So, I'll answer for you!!!!
Galations 3:20 (Here you go again isolating verses!!!) The meaning of this verse is simple…..Jesus, the mediator is not OF one, He is the mediator of TWO, the Jews and the Gentiles!!!! It does NOT say the mediator is not one, which is what I bet you THINK it says!! LOOK AGAIN…it says the mediator is not OF one. The Jews did not realize that salvation was coming to the Gentiles, too!!! The verse then says….”but God is one.” Well, this is what I have been trying to tell you over and over….GOD is ONE!!! He is the ONLY God!!! The Jews and the Gentiles both have the same GOD because there is only ONE GOD!!! See Romans 3:29-30 to further see the truth!!!
You really need to CONSIDER that the trinity might be a false doctrine!! Maybe then your eyes will be opened. I will continue to pray for you!! Do not take my word for it, just read the Bible without the false notion of the trinity!!! Just read the words, not just a verse, but all of scripture!! Read and then reflect.
Quote (jb2u @ April 30 2013,00:34) Ed J and Charles… I think I see the problem. I think I know why you both hold so fast to the trinity concept.
Ed J, you can not see how I explained the parable. I posted and reposted for you. The 3 measures of meal represents the unleavened body of Christ (the church). Not just one church, but the whole complete church body. All have been corrupted, mainly by this false doctrine of the trinity, but also with greed, hypocrisy, and lukewarm Christians. Since you can not see that I already explained the parable, I can only assume that you can not see the scriptures that clearly state…GOD is the Father and Jesus is His Son!!!
Charles, you just can not get the idea that you can NOT isolate an ambiguous verse and draw your own conclusion!!! Yes, there are verses that would lead one to believe that Jesus might be God, but when you look at the context of the verses surrounding it, you see that it has a different more clear meaning!! The problem is, Charles, you ignore the clear verses that say GOD is the Father, and He is the one and only true GOD.
I really do not know what to make of you two. I do pray that your eyes will be opened.
Hi JB2U,Actually I don't. Does it bother you
that I can understand what Charles means?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReason for edit: I addressed the wrong person
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Almost exclusively, a mediator is neither of each others profession!!! Jb2u,
The above is our worldlycorrupted way!
I posted this:
IN ORDER TO BE PERFECT IN HIS INTERVENTIONS!
So our worldly way no matter what as you said ALWAYS SINFULL. SO WRONG AND SINFULL YOUR ASSUMPTION!
Now:
Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKIND
But between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)
Galatians 3:23For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
OK ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS
THEREFORE NO MATTER WHAT, NOT JUST JEWS, AND GENTILES, BUT ALSO:
NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE( SPIRIT NOR FLESH)
BOND NOR FREE(CIRCUMSIZED NOR UNCIRCUMSIZED)
SO I REPEAT IN ORDER TO REFLECT MORE !
AGAIN: DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS!
Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one WHY?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54) Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
Well, how do they make the wedding cake? 😉Quote (carmel @ April 29 2013,14:38) Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKIND But between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)
Charles,I think most of us here agree with you that Jesus is the appointed mediator BETWEEN “God” and “mankind”. That is what is meant by “a mediator is not of one”. It means that a mediator always mediates BETWEEN two or more parties. In this case, God Almighty is one of the parties, and mankind is the other.
(The OT priests filled that same role, which explains why Jesus is not only our Mediator, but also our High Priest to God Almighty.)
But stop and think, Charles……………….. If the mediator IS God Almighty, then to whom does he intercede on our behalf? (Heb 7:25)
Quote (david @ April 30 2013,03:11) Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,20:54) Quote (david @ April 29 2013,04:54) Kerwin, Ask yourself if this seems to describe church as you read.
“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Singers and those who play the harp will never be heard in her again.
No bride or groom will ever be found in her again
The nations were mislead by her spiritistic practices.I'll go do so,e research
David,Millstones are not something I expect to find in a church.
Well, how do they make the wedding cake? 😉
David,
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote The 3 measures of meal represents the unleavened body of Christ Jbtu,
NONSENSE!
WAIT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU ARE TOO FAR FROM THE TRUTH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote so it is “ok” that the disciples did not follow Jesus' command to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I am not buying it!!! Jbtu,
I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH, SO YOU MISS UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT!
READ:
•Acts 2:38,” Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
•Acts 8:16, “For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
•Acts 10:48, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
•Acts 19:5, “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
•Acts 22:16, “And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’Let's take a look at what is going on in the verses. The phrase, “in the name of the Lord” is not a reference to a baptismal formula, but a reference to AUTHORITY .
It is similar to hearing someone say, “Stop in the name of the Law!”. We understand that the “name of the Law” means by the authority of the Law. It is the same with baptism “in Jesus' name.” To baptise in Jesus' name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Consider the following:
•”And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, “By what power, or in what name, have you done this?” 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, thatBY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THIS IS NOT BAPTIZM!!!
the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead —
BY THIS NAME NOT BY THE NAME OF GOD! SO JESUS IS GOD IN THE TRUTH! JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
THEY COULDN’T HEAL BY THE NAME OF GOD
this man stands here before you in good health” (Acts 4:7-10).
•Acts 4:17-18, “But in order that it may not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any man
IN THS NAME SO THEY NEVER WANTED THEM TO SPEAK TO ANY MAN IN THAT NAME!!! THEY WANTED TO MAKE HIM UNPRONOUNCEABLE, LIKE YAHWEH! SIMPLY BECAUSE HE BECAME SUPERIOR TO YAHWEH IN THE TRUTH, AS MAN! YAHWEH WAS NOT PROVEN YET! ONLY UNKOWN, MESTERIOUS! WHO COULD BE SATAN HIMSELF DISGUISED!
18And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in
THE NAME OF JESUS
•Acts 5:28, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”
•Acts 5:40, “And they took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them to speak no more inIN THE NAME OF JESUS,
and then released them.”
•Acts 8:12, “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God andTHE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
they were being baptized, men and women alike.”
•Acts 9:27-28, “But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly inTHE NAME OF JESUS .
28And he was with them moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord.”
•Acts 16:18, “And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in
THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, NOT IN THE NAME OF GOD, NOT IN THE NAME OF YAHWEH.
And he came out the same hour.”
We can see that the phrase is used in the Bible as an
EXPRESSION OF AUTHORITY
. This is particularly clarified Acts 16:18 above.
” WE ALSO SEE THAT WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING BAPTIZED THAT THEY DID IT CALLING ON JESUS’ NAME
(Acts 22:16);THAT IS, THEY WERE CALLING UPON JESUS WHO HAS ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH (MATT.28:18) .
The church is supposed to “call upon the name of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 1:2) because it is by His authority (John 1:12) that we Christians have the hope and right of forgiveness of sins and adoption as His children (Rom. 8:15).
SO :
The proper way to baptize in Jesus' name is to say,“I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
Peace and love in Jesus not in god for authority's sake!
Charles
Quote (carmel @ April 30 2013,12:58) jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote so it is “ok” that the disciples did not follow Jesus' command to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I am not buying it!!! Jbtu,
I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH, SO YOU MISS UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT!
READ:
•Acts 2:38,” Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
•Acts 8:16, “For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
•Acts 10:48, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
•Acts 19:5, “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
•Acts 22:16, “And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’Let's take a look at what is going on in the verses. The phrase, “in the name of the Lord” is not a reference to a baptismal formula, but a reference to AUTHORITY .
It is similar to hearing someone say, “Stop in the name of the Law!”. We understand that the “name of the Law” means by the authority of the Law. It is the same with baptism “in Jesus' name.” To baptise in Jesus' name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Consider the following:
•”And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, “By what power, or in what name, have you done this?” 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, thatBY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THIS IS NOT BAPTIZM!!!
the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead —
BY THIS NAME NOT BY THE NAME OF GOD! SO JESUS IS GOD IN THE TRUTH! JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
THEY COULDN’T HEAL BY THE NAME OF GOD
this man stands here before you in good health” (Acts 4:7-10).
•Acts 4:17-18, “But in order that it may not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any man
IN THS NAME SO THEY NEVER WANTED THEM TO SPEAK TO ANY MAN IN THAT NAME!!! THEY WANTED TO MAKE HIM UNPRONOUNCEABLE, LIKE YAHWEH! SIMPLY BECAUSE HE BECAME SUPERIOR TO YAHWEH IN THE TRUTH, AS MAN! YAHWEH WAS NOT PROVEN YET! ONLY UNKOWN, MESTERIOUS! WHO COULD BE SATAN HIMSELF DISGUISED!
18And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in
THE NAME OF JESUS
•Acts 5:28, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”
•Acts 5:40, “And they took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them to speak no more inIN THE NAME OF JESUS,
and then released them.”
•Acts 8:12, “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God andTHE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
they were being baptized, men and women alike.”
•Acts 9:27-28, “But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly inTHE NAME OF JESUS .
28And he was with them moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord.”
•Acts 16:18, “And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in
THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, NOT IN THE NAME OF GOD, NOT IN THE NAME OF YAHWEH.
And he came out the same hour.”
We can see that the phrase is used in the Bible as an
EXPRESSION OF AUTHORITY
. This is particularly clarified Acts 16:18 above.
” WE ALSO SEE THAT WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING BAPTIZED THAT THEY DID IT CALLING ON JESUS’ NAME
(Acts 22:16);THAT IS, THEY WERE CALLING UPON JESUS WHO HAS ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH (MATT.28:18) .
The church is supposed to “call upon the name of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 1:2) because it is by His authority (John 1:12) that we Christians have the hope and right of forgiveness of sins and adoption as His children (Rom. 8:15).
SO :
The proper way to baptize in Jesus' name is to say,“I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
Peace and love in Jesus not in god for authority's sake!
Charles
Charles,So according to you name is authority until it is associated with the Father,The Son, and the Spirit at which point it arbitrarily changes meaning and means given name.
The Father, Son, and Spirit have the same authority even though their given names are different.
Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,04:32) Hi JB2U, Actually I don't. Does it bother you
that I can understand what Charles means?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReason for edit: I addressed the wrong person
No, Ed J, it does not bother me that you can understand what Charles means.What bothers me is that the word of God has been corrupted. I truly care about everyone's salvation. I do not even like “debating” people about scripture. I did not want to even start, but I felt moved to. I think that since I can see the truth, I am obligated to help others see it as well, even though I personally do not like “debating” others.
I have learned through experience that the majority of the time people are going to continue to believe whatever they believe no matter what!!! Most of the time, it is a complete waste of time and energy. I assume you and Charles are here to “educate” others on the trinity. The problem is, I do not think that either one of you are “open” to even considering that your view might be wrong. And so, IF I am right, you and Charles will continue to believe whatever you want.
Although I do pray that you will see the truth, I truly believe that my words will have more effect on someone that finds this site while SEEKING the truth!! Nothing against you, I know that traditions are hard to break, especially religious ones.
Quote (carmel @ April 30 2013,07:38) Quote (jb2u @ April 30 2013,01:06) Quote Almost exclusively, a mediator is neither of each others profession!!! Jb2u,
The above is our worldlycorrupted way!
I posted this:
IN ORDER TO BE PERFECT IN HIS INTERVENTIONS!
So our worldly way no matter what as you said ALWAYS SINFULL. SO WRONG AND SINFULL YOUR ASSUMPTION!
Now:
Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKIND
But between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)
Galatians 3:23For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
OK ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS
THEREFORE NO MATTER WHAT, NOT JUST JEWS, AND GENTILES, BUT ALSO:
NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE( SPIRIT NOR FLESH)
BOND NOR FREE(CIRCUMSIZED NOR UNCIRCUMSIZED)
SO I REPEAT IN ORDER TO REFLECT MORE !
AGAIN: DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS!
Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one WHY?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I gave you the cross reference in Romans 3:29-30. Did you read it??I did NOT say that Jesus was the mediator between the Jews and the Gentiles!!! That is nonsense!!!
I said that Jesus is the mediator OF, OF, OF the Jews and Gentiles!!! Jesus mediates on behalf OF, OF, OF the Jews and Gentiles!! The Jews need Jesus, too!!!
So you have the Jews and Gentiles on one side, the Mediator Jesus in the middle, and GOD on the other side.
That was Jesus' sole mission…to bring salvation to the WORLD…Jews and Gentiles!!! So once again, I did not say Jesus mediates between the Jews and Gentiles!! I said, Jesus mediates between the Jews/Gentiles and GOD.
And so scripture tells us that the “mediator is not OF one” because He is the mediator OF the Jews AND the Gentiles (not BETWEEN the Jews and Gentiles!!!). That makes Him the mediator of two. BUT, GOD wants us to know that there is still only ONE God, and HE is the God of both the Jews and the Gentiles!!! Do you see it??? The Jews did not think that salvation was coming to the Gentiles, too. So, God let them know that Jesus was not the mediator ONLY between the Jews and God, but that since salvation was ALSO coming to the Gentiles, Jesus was their mediator as well!!!
Now, GOD was believed by many to be the GOD of the Jews, but He wanted the Jews and Gentiles to know that He was both of their GOD. And thus we have the great verse…
“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
This verse could have just as easily read…
“Now Jesus is not just the mediator between the Jews and GOD, but also between the Gentiles and GOD. For there is only one GOD and He is the GOD of all.”
All of the other verses that you quoted just proves my point…For you are all the children of GOD by faith, in Christ Jesus. There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
All of the above PROVE that Jesus is not the mediator of ONE…He is the mediator of Jew, Greek, male, female, bond, free, etc. Right?
And then you quoted….All children OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.
This proves the last sentence in Gal 3:20 correct….”but GOD is one.” He is the GOD of ALL the children in the world!!!
How can you deny my interpretation? You are saying something that is not there. You are saying that Jesus is GOD. Right? Correct me if I am wrong. However, this verse clearly states there is mankind, the mediator Jesus, and then GOD. If this is so, then Jesus can not BE GOD!!!
.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,11:48) Quote (carmel @ April 29 2013,14:38) Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKIND But between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)
Charles,I think most of us here agree with you that Jesus is the appointed mediator BETWEEN “God” and “mankind”. That is what is meant by “a mediator is not of one”. It means that a mediator always mediates BETWEEN two or more parties. In this case, God Almighty is one of the parties, and mankind is the other.
(The OT priests filled that same role, which explains why Jesus is not only our Mediator, but also our High Priest to God Almighty.)
But stop and think, Charles……………….. If the mediator IS God Almighty, then to whom does he intercede on our behalf? (Heb 7:25)
mike, I never said that Jesus mediates BETWEEN the Jews and Gentiles!!! Charles misquoted me!!I was saying the same thing that you are. The Jews and Gentiles ARE mankind. No one else makes up mankind. There are the Jews and Gentiles; and so, I was saying that Jesus mediates between the Jews/Gentiles and GOD.
Quote (jb2u @ May 01 2013,00:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,04:32) Hi JB2U, Actually I don't. Does it bother you
that I can understand what Charles means?God bless
Ed J
No, Ed J, it does not bother me that you can understand what Charles means.What bothers me is that the word of God has been corrupted. I truly care about everyone's salvation. I do not even like “debating” people about scripture. I did not want to even start, but I felt moved to. I think that since I can see the truth, I am obligated to help others see it as well, even though I personally do not like “debating” others.
I have learned through experience that the majority of the time people are going to continue to believe whatever they believe no matter what!!! Most of the time, it is a complete waste of time and energy. I assume you and Charles are here to “educate” others on the trinity. The problem is, I do not think that either one of you are “open” to even considering that your view might be wrong. And so, IF I am right, you and Charles will continue to believe whatever you want.
Although I do pray that you will see the truth, I truly believe that my words will have more effect on someone that finds this site while SEEKING the truth!! Nothing against you, I know that traditions are hard to break, especially religious ones.
Hi JB2U,My aim is to discuss what Scripture actually says.
Many claim one thing or another, but we must compare what
people say to what scripture says. Many are too closed minded to discuss
what goes against the sacred cow of their own mind. I hope this is not the case with you.
You assume if someone disagrees with what you believe they must be wrong. (this is where the problem lies!)“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.” (Luke 8:17)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jb2u @ May 01 2013,00:45) Quote (carmel @ April 30 2013,07:38) Quote (jb2u @ April 30 2013,01:06) Quote Almost exclusively, a mediator is neither of each others profession!!! Jb2u,
The above is our worldlycorrupted way!
I posted this:
IN ORDER TO BE PERFECT IN HIS INTERVENTIONS!
So our worldly way no matter what as you said ALWAYS SINFULL. SO WRONG AND SINFULL YOUR ASSUMPTION!
Now:
Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKIND
But between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)
Galatians 3:23For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
OK ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS
THEREFORE NO MATTER WHAT, NOT JUST JEWS, AND GENTILES, BUT ALSO:
NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE( SPIRIT NOR FLESH)
BOND NOR FREE(CIRCUMSIZED NOR UNCIRCUMSIZED)
SO I REPEAT IN ORDER TO REFLECT MORE !
AGAIN: DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS!
Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one WHY?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I gave you the cross reference in Romans 3:29-30. Did you read it??I did NOT say that Jesus was the mediator between the Jews and the Gentiles!!! That is nonsense!!!
I said that Jesus is the mediator OF, OF, OF the Jews and Gentiles!!! Jesus mediates on behalf OF, OF, OF the Jews and Gentiles!! The Jews need Jesus, too!!!
So you have the Jews and Gentiles on one side, the Mediator Jesus in the middle, and GOD on the other side.
That was Jesus' sole mission…to bring salvation to the WORLD…Jews and Gentiles!!! So once again, I did not say Jesus mediates between the Jews and Gentiles!! I said, Jesus mediates between the Jews/Gentiles and GOD.
And so scripture tells us that the “mediator is not OF one” because He is the mediator OF the Jews AND the Gentiles (not BETWEEN the Jews and Gentiles!!!). That makes Him the mediator of two. BUT, GOD wants us to know that there is still only ONE God, and HE is the God of both the Jews and the Gentiles!!! Do you see it??? The Jews did not think that salvation was coming to the Gentiles, too. So, God let them know that Jesus was not the mediator ONLY between the Jews and God, but that since salvation was ALSO coming to the Gentiles, Jesus was their mediator as well!!!
Now, GOD was believed by many to be the GOD of the Jews, but He wanted the Jews and Gentiles to know that He was both of their GOD. And thus we have the great verse…
“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
This verse could have just as easily read…
“Now Jesus is not just the mediator between the Jews and GOD, but also between the Gentiles and GOD. For there is only one GOD and He is the GOD of all.”
All of the other verses that you quoted just proves my point…For you are all the children of GOD by faith, in Christ Jesus. There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
All of the above PROVE that Jesus is not the mediator of ONE…He is the mediator of Jew, Greek, male, female, bond, free, etc. Right?
And then you quoted….All children OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.
This proves the last sentence in Gal 3:20 correct….”but GOD is one.” He is the GOD of ALL the children in the world!!!
How can you deny my interpretation? You are saying something that is not there. You are saying that Jesus is GOD. Right? Correct me if I am wrong. However, this verse clearly states there is mankind, the mediator Jesus, and then GOD. If this is so, then Jesus can not BE GOD!!!
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Hi JB2U,Since Jesus was born 50% Man and 50% God that makes him
the perfect “Mediator” between us and God; don't you agree?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgkerwin,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote So according to you name is authority until it is associated with the Father,The Son, and the Spirit Kerwin,
NO!
NAME IS NOT AN AUTHORITY!
but the phrase : in the name of, is a [/b]REFERENCE [/b] to AUTHORITY .
ALSO:
NOT :
UNTIL IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
BUT
IT IS ONLY ASSOCIATED TO THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS CHRIST:
WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR MIND THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD ?:
READ THIS MOST COMMON INTRODUCTION:
Grace be to you, and peace from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
AS YOU CAN READ IT SAYS: GOD THE FATHER AND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!WHY NOT THE FATHER ONLY?
WHY NOT JESUS CHRIST ONLY?
SIMPLE:
BECAUSE THE FATHER IS NOT IN FULL POWER ON HIS OWN YET! THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE ON THE LAST DAY!
SO GOD THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT ONLY ! OK?
BUT LISTEN TO THIS NOW!
JESUS CHRIST IS A GLORIFIED GOD/MAN! both SPIRIT AND FLESH!
SO REFLECT:
WHEN I CALL YOU, I SIMPLY SAY KERWIN OK?
BUT YOU ARE NOT JUST KERWIN,BUT KERWIN AND ALSO YOUR SOUL,AND SPIRIT, BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT YET UNITED AS ONE WITH YOUR SOUL, YOU ARE SIMPLY A FLESH COVER AND WHEN YOU DIE, YOUR SOUL LEAVE YOUR BODY AND BEGIN THE LONG SPIRITUAL JOURNEY TO GOD!
BUT JESUS AFTER THREE DAYS HAD ACCOMPLISHED IT IN FULL,
AND UNIFIED HIS FLESH BODY,(THE EX SON'S SPIRIT),
AND HIS SOUL (THE HOLY SPIRIT) THEREFORE BECAME ONE BEING OF
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH.
BOTH GOD AND MAN. THE ONLY ONE MEDIATOR
DUE TO THIS FACT HE IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST SINCE THE FATHER'S SPIRIT IS WITHIN HIM.
BUT ON EARTH, SINCE HE IS THE ONLY HUMAN BEING, UNITED AS ONE IN BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT, HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WITH FULL AUTHORITY BOTH FOR NHUMANS, AND SPIRIT CREATURES!
SO ,IF IN THOSE DAYS SOMEONE WOULD SIMPLY HAD TO SAY IN THE NAME OF GOD, SATAN WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY I AM GOD OF THE WORLD I AM IN AUTHORITY IN THIS WORLD!
BUT SINCE THEY USED THE PHRASE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
NOT JUST SATAN ONLY , WOULD NOT BE EVEN PROMMT TO ANSWER, BUT THE ENTIRE CREATION!
OBVIOUS!
ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS IN THAT SUPERIOR SATE IN THE TRUTH.
ONLY HIM HAS ASCENDED BOTH IN THE STATE AS OUR HUMAN FATHER,AND ALSO AS A SPIRIT FATHER, AND OUR HUMAN GOD AND SPIRIT GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Charles, what do you make of the above verse? The word “glory” is singular. Do you think it means that Jesus, the holy angels, and the Father all have the SAME glory? Mike,
For you it is as you said!
BUT FOR ME NOT ALL HAVE THE SAME GLORY, THAT WOULD BE A STUPID CONCEPT!
BUT ALL WOULD BE UNITED IN ONE GLORY OF GOD!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD IS BOTH ONE, AND ALSO MULTY!
PARADOX
THROUGH BEING MULTY HE IS MOST POWERFUL AS BEING ONE!
or
HE OPT TO BE ONE THROUGH BEING MULTY!
or
HE OPT TO BE LIGHT THROUGH BEING DARKNESS!
THEREFORE: ALMIGHTY GOD !
OBVIOUS ONLY GOD DOES THESE THINGS, HE IS OPPOSITE TO US!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. Jb2u,
IN ALL OF MATTHEW 13, THERE'S SOMETHING COMMON AT THE END OF EVERY PARABLE!
THEY ALL END WITH A POSSITIVE ACHIEVEMENT! NO?
EXPLAIN :
HOW COME THEREFORE 13: 33 ENDS UP IN A MESS
THE WHOLE IS LEAVENED?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,04:32) Hi JB2U, Since Jesus was born 50% Man and 50% God that makes him
the perfect “Mediator” between us and God; don't you agree?
That is assuming that his 23 or so Chromosomes from God were God genes and not second Adam ones.After all it does say that he emptied himself and came as a man. And that he existed in the form of God before becoming a man.
So your hypothesis suggests that he lost 50% God genes and swapped them out for Mary's 23 chromosomes.
Whereas scripture seems to suggest that he emptied himself and came as a man and he is called the second Adam.
Further, if sin came into the world by one man, then bypassing that man and being the second Adam means he was not subject to sin and death and the first Adam.
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