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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,10:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,11:59) As far as you know has there been any claims of divine beings claiming to be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Asana,If your Allah is truly the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then the NAME of your God is YHWH.
Allah is the Arabic word for “the god”. So while we call Him “Jehovah God”, you can call Him “Jehovah Allah”.
Will you do that?
Which is more reasonable:
belief in the existence of numerous divine lords,
each of them different from the other —
or in the One God, who holds absolute sway over all that exists?
Yusuf 12:39, tr. AsadQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?If so then HE would be th only one with the right to be called God, I can't imagine why this is so difficult for you to believe. If Jehovah can destroy ALL other beings and none can Affect HIM then HE ALONE is TRULY GOD
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2013,03:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?If so then HE would be th only one with the right to be called God, I can't imagine why this is so difficult for you to believe. If Jehovah can destroy ALL other beings and none can Affect HIM then HE ALONE is TRULY GOD
No one can come to the Father but by me. *Me*/the *Word of God*.Can one come to the Father by studying the *encyclopedia*?
Or the *sidhata Budha*? Or *the Qur'an?
NO; not posssible.(one can never come the *God of the Holy bible* by studying other books).
One must go study the Word of God,
of which is the holy bible/the *Word of God*.wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2013,10:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?
Yes Asana,Jehovah IS “the Supreme Being”. But it is not the word “god” that tells us this. It is the words “MOST HIGH”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2013,10:07) If so then HE would be the only one with the right to be called God………
This has been your downfall all along, Asana. It is the downfall of most people in the 21st century. Somehow, you guys have gotten it into your heads that the word “god” actually MEANS “Supreme Being”, and can therefore only be used in reference to the “Supreme Being”.But the words “el”, “elohim”, “theos”, and “god” DON'T mean “Supreme Being”. How many times can I tell you guys the same exact truth before you begin to believe it?
Consider: Jehovah your God is the God of gods.
Does this mean Jehovah is the Supreme Being of the Supreme Beings? YES or NO?
If your answer is “NO”, then it should be clear to you that the word “god” does NOT mean “Supreme Being”. It should be clear to you, from that one simple scriptural statement above, that there exist many gods, and Jehovah is the God OF the other ones.
If you would ever let yourself BELIEVE what is as clear as day and right in front of you, then you'd be able to realize that what sets Jehovah apart is not that He is a god, but that He is the MOST HIGH god.
And then you'd be able to speak and preach according to the scriptures, instead of according to what makes you personally feel more comfortable. Right now, you are more comfortable believing that “god” means “Supreme Being”, and therefore there exists only one of them. But you have become comfortable in a LIE, Asana. The TRUTH is that there indeed exist MANY gods, and Jehovah is the MOST HIGH of them all.
You need to adjust your definition of “god”, and find one that actually aligns with the scriptures. Or you can go on trying to teach lies, and throwing accusations against people like me, who are only saying exactly what the scriptures actually say.
The choice, as always, is yours to make.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2013,08:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2013,03:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?If so then HE would be th only one with the right to be called God, I can't imagine why this is so difficult for you to believe. If Jehovah can destroy ALL other beings and none can Affect HIM then HE ALONE is TRULY GOD
No one can come to the Father but by me. *Me*/the *Word of God*.Can one come to the Father by studying the *encyclopedia*?
Or the *sidhata Budha*? Or *the Qur'an?
NO; not posssible.(one can never come the *God of the Holy bible* by studying other books).
One must go study the Word of God,
of which is the holy bible/the *Word of God*.wakeup.
Then what of the Jews before any such writing?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,10:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2013,10:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?
Yes Asana,Jehovah IS “the Supreme Being”. But it is not the word “god” that tells us this. It is the words “MOST HIGH”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2013,10:07) If so then HE would be the only one with the right to be called God………
This has been your downfall all along, Asana. It is the downfall of most people in the 21st century. Somehow, you guys have gotten it into your heads that the word “god” actually MEANS “Supreme Being”, and can therefore only be used in reference to the “Supreme Being”.But the words “el”, “elohim”, “theos”, and “god” DON'T mean “Supreme Being”. How many times can I tell you guys the same exact truth before you begin to believe it?
Consider: Jehovah your God is the God of gods.
Does this mean Jehovah is the Supreme Being of the Supreme Beings? YES or NO?
If your answer is “NO”, then it should be clear to you that the word “god” does NOT mean “Supreme Being”. It should be clear to you, from that one simple scriptural statement above, that there exist many gods, and Jehovah is the God OF the other ones.
If you would ever let yourself BELIEVE what is as clear as day and right in front of you, then you'd be able to realize that what sets Jehovah apart is not that He is a god, but that He is the MOST HIGH god.
And then you'd be able to speak and preach according to the scriptures, instead of according to what makes you personally feel more comfortable. Right now, you are more comfortable believing that “god” means “Supreme Being”, and therefore there exists only one of them. But you have become comfortable in a LIE, Asana. The TRUTH is that there indeed exist MANY gods, and Jehovah is the MOST HIGH of them all.
You need to adjust your definition of “god”, and find one that actually aligns with the scriptures. Or you can go on trying to teach lies, and throwing accusations against people like me, who are only saying exactly what the scriptures actually say.
The choice, as always, is yours to make.
No accusation against you at all. There are two definitions of Godone is polytheistic and one is monotheistic you have chosen the polytheistic definition which is a false definition.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god
1.God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe
2.: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions
3.: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired
Do you believe in all 3 ? you seem to think that added definitions over time change reality
The fact is that definitions #1 AND #2 are the scriptural ones……. but MOSTLY #2. For example, “The one and only President of the United States” can legitimately be one of the definitions of “president” – but the word “president”, IN AND OF ITSELF, doesn't actually MEAN “The President of the United States”. Only context will tell us if that is the particular “president” in question.
Likewise, if we said “el” or “theos” back in Biblical times, then we were talking about any of various spirit beings. Only context would dictate whether we were talking about the MOST HIGH “el/theos” who created the universe……….. or a LESS HIGH “el/theos” like Satan or Jesus, etc. In fact, there are footnotes in almost every Bible that point out verses where we can't exactly tell from the context whether or not a particular instance of “el” is referring to Jehovah or not.
Here's just one of them, followed by the footnote:
Genesis 20:13 NET ©
When God made me wander from my father’s house……….The Hebrew verb is plural. This may be a case of grammatical agreement with the name for God, which is plural in form. However, when this plural name refers to the one true God, accompanying predicates are usually singular in form.
Perhaps Abraham is accommodating his speech to Abimelech’s polytheistic perspective. If so, one should translate, “when the gods made me wander.”
So you see, the word “god”, IN AND OF ITSELF, doesn't really tell us WHICH god we're reading about in scripture. We must use the context to determine WHICH of the many gods we're reading about. And even using the context, sometimes it's still impossible to know for sure – as is the case in the verse above.
Now, if you personally want to pretend that definition #1 is the ONLY valid definition of “god”, I can't stop you.
But remember that if you do that, you'll never be able to explain to anyone how Jehovah can be the god OF gods.
Like I said, the choice is yours. But what you called the “monotheistic” definition of god doesn't work for MANY, MANY scriptures. In reality, #2 is the correct Biblical definition, with #1 being accurate ONLY WHEN the god in question actually is Jehovah. And since it is the context, and not the word “god” itself, that tells us which god we're reading about, #1 isn't technically a realistic definition of the words “el” or “theos”.
I mean, look at that first definition you listed:
1. Are we told in scripture that Jehovah is “perfect” and “all-powerful”? Yes. But why? If the word “god”, IN AND OF ITSELF, already meant these things, then what reason would any writer of scripture have to tell us these things on the side?
2. Does scripture tell us that the Jews are to worship only Jehovah? Yes. But why? If the word “god”, IN AND OF ITSELF, already meant “He alone that the Jews are to worship”, then what reason would a Bible writer have for teaching us that Jehovah is the ONLY god we are to worship?
3. Are we told in scripture that Jehovah created and rules the universe? Yes. But why? If the word “god”, IN AND OF ITSELF, already meant these things, then why would the writers of scripture need to explain to us that only one particular god created and rules over the universe?
Are you beginning to get the point, Asana?
Your acceptance of definition #1 as the only legitimate definition is like you accepting only the definition of “president” that refers to the President of the U.S.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2013,04:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2013,08:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2013,03:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24) I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.
So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?If so then HE would be th only one with the right to be called God, I can't imagine why this is so difficult for you to believe. If Jehovah can destroy ALL other beings and none can Affect HIM then HE ALONE is TRULY GOD
No one can come to the Father but by me. *Me*/the *Word of God*.Can one come to the Father by studying the *encyclopedia*?
Or the *sidhata Budha*? Or *the Qur'an?
NO; not posssible.(one can never come the *God of the Holy bible* by studying other books).
One must go study the Word of God,
of which is the holy bible/the *Word of God*.wakeup.
Then what of the Jews before any such writing?
Boditharta.The old testament of the prophets, is the Word of God.
God also spoke to the prophets.(ot). God also spoke through Jesus.(nt).OLD /NEW; TWO WITNESSES ONLY.
No need for a third.If you say to me;I believe in God.
I will ask you: which God?
for krishna is god;budha is god;ganesh is god;brahma is god;allah is god;Jehovah is God.If you say to me; I believe in the Lord of host.
I will say to you; me too.
If you say to me; I believe in Jesus the son of God.
I will say to you;me too.If you say to me;I believe in mohamad the prophet of allah.
I will ask you; who is mohamad and allah?
For they are not mentioned in the word of God.If you say to me; the qur'an is the word of god.
I will say;which god? for the qur'an is *NOT JESUS* which is the Word of jehovah: His spirit is in it;the *book of life*.
The *tree of life* was once standing in the garden of eden.Allah is not jehovah; krishna is not Jehovah;budha is not Jehovah; brahma is not Jehovah.
The Lord of host alone is Jehovah.
Gods and lords there are many.wakeup.
To all,
I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2013,14:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin,You know I don't agree that Jesus is still a human being, but other than that, I can get on board with what you're saying.
It seems you are trying to show a “hierarchy of worship”, with the highest form going only to God the Father, the next highest to our Lord and King Jesus Christ, and the next highest to the servants of both of those first two- whether they be in heaven or on earth.
Kind of like:
WORSHIP goes to God.
HOMAGE is paid to Jesus.
Honor is given to faithful servants of Jesus and Jehovah.
I concur.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,04:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Wakeup,The Muslims are heretics but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Some of those called Christians have a different cannon; so the Muslims do to.
The word allah was around before Mohamed. Elah is one of God's names in the Hebrew language Scripture that our translators choose to to translate to God. Interesting trivia but not relevant to what I said.
In fact I saw nothing you wrote that was relevant to the words of mine you are responding to. What did I miss?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2013,04:39) Kerwin, You know I don't agree that Jesus is still a human being, but other than that, I can get on board with what you're saying.
It seems you are trying to show a “hierarchy of worship”, with the highest form going only to God the Father, the next highest to our Lord and King Jesus Christ, and the next highest to the servants of both of those first two- whether they be in heaven or on earth.
Kind of like:
WORSHIP goes to God.
HOMAGE is paid to Jesus.
Honor is given to faithful servants of Jesus and Jehovah.
I concur.
Mike,I am doing as you say and I hear you.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Your information is incorrect in th Quran Jesus is th Word of God. Also the Bible calls Godmany names besides “the lord of hosts”Most importantly whileyou say “Our Father” the Quran refers to God as your “Guardian” which is more accurate because God is not a man and a Guardian is both likea Mother and a Father.
Just a little study goes a long way but near sighted criticism is unwarranted.
and to say ALLAH is not to speak of some different God if it were than you should explain that to all the CHRISTIAN Arabs that only know of God to be called ALLAH in their language.
By the way, do you suppose God is english or Jewish or Arab or any such thing? Of course not we express Godas He is made known to us we don't OWN God, ALLAH owns US.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Your information is incorrect in th Quran Jesus is th Word of God. Also the Bible calls Godmany names besides “the lord of hosts”Most importantly whileyou say “Our Father” the Quran refers to God as your “Guardian” which is more accurate because God is not a man and a Guardian is both likea Mother and a Father.
Just a little study goes a long way but near sighted criticism is unwarranted.
and to say ALLAH is not to speak of some different God if it were than you should explain that to all the CHRISTIAN Arabs that only know of God to be called ALLAH in their language.
By the way, do you suppose God is english or Jewish or Arab or any such thing? Of course not we express Godas He is made known to us we don't OWN God, ALLAH owns US.
Kerwin and Boditharta.No man can come to the Father,but by me/Jesus.
Islam teach that allah has *NO* Son.
Therefore; Allah is not the Father/Jehovah.Jehovah's Son is named Jesus,his only begotten.
Allah has no son.
Allah therefore is not Jehovah.
Allah therefore is another god.No man can come to God but **by the Holy scriptures**.
Which is the ***Word of God;which is Jesus**.
The Word made flesh.
The qur'an is *NOT* the Word made flesh.No man can come to the Father, *BY* the qur'an*.
The qur'an is not the way; but the word of God/Jesus, is the ONE way.CHristian Arabs worship Jehovah,and his Son Jesus.
Christian Palestinians worship the same.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,23:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Your information is incorrect in th Quran Jesus is th Word of God. Also the Bible calls Godmany names besides “the lord of hosts”Most importantly whileyou say “Our Father” the Quran refers to God as your “Guardian” which is more accurate because God is not a man and a Guardian is both likea Mother and a Father.
Just a little study goes a long way but near sighted criticism is unwarranted.
and to say ALLAH is not to speak of some different God if it were than you should explain that to all the CHRISTIAN Arabs that only know of God to be called ALLAH in their language.
By the way, do you suppose God is english or Jewish or Arab or any such thing? Of course not we express Godas He is made known to us we don't OWN God, ALLAH owns US.
Kerwin and Boditharta.No man can come to the Father,but by me/Jesus.
Islam teach that allah has *NO* Son.
Therefore; Allah is not the Father/Jehovah.Jehovah's Son is named Jesus,his only begotten.
Allah has no son.
Allah therefore is not Jehovah.
Allah therefore is another god.No man can come to God but **by the Holy scriptures**.
Which is the ***Word of God;which is Jesus**.
The Word made flesh.
The qur'an is *NOT* the Word made flesh.No man can come to the Father, *BY* the qur'an*.
The qur'an is not the way; but the word of God/Jesus, is the ONE way.CHristian Arabs worship Jehovah,and his Son Jesus.
Christian Palestinians worship the same.wakeup.
Then how were people coming to God before Jesus?Answer honestly.
Also how were people coming to God before the name Jehovah was given?
Answer honestly.
You still don't get that Jesus was talking to the people he was sent to, otherwise you have to believe that he wasn't sent to the gentiles but only the lost sheep of the House of Israel because that is what he said, but when it comes to that you make that statement temporary and without meaning
Answer honestly.
“No one can come to the Father except by me”
“Do not go to the gentiles”what makes these statements different?
Because the Son is the Father of the local universe, we will pass through his authoritative structure in route to his Father, our mutual spirit Father.
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2013,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,23:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Your information is incorrect in th Quran Jesus is th Word of God. Also the Bible calls Godmany names besides “the lord of hosts”Most importantly whileyou say “Our Father” the Quran refers to God as your “Guardian” which is more accurate because God is not a man and a Guardian is both likea Mother and a Father.
Just a little study goes a long way but near sighted criticism is unwarranted.
and to say ALLAH is not to speak of some different God if it were than you should explain that to all the CHRISTIAN Arabs that only know of God to be called ALLAH in their language.
By the way, do you suppose God is english or Jewish or Arab or any such thing? Of course not we express Godas He is made known to us we don't OWN God, ALLAH owns US.
Kerwin and Boditharta.No man can come to the Father,but by me/Jesus.
Islam teach that allah has *NO* Son.
Therefore; Allah is not the Father/Jehovah.Jehovah's Son is named Jesus,his only begotten.
Allah has no son.
Allah therefore is not Jehovah.
Allah therefore is another god.No man can come to God but **by the Holy scriptures**.
Which is the ***Word of God;which is Jesus**.
The Word made flesh.
The qur'an is *NOT* the Word made flesh.No man can come to the Father, *BY* the qur'an*.
The qur'an is not the way; but the word of God/Jesus, is the ONE way.CHristian Arabs worship Jehovah,and his Son Jesus.
Christian Palestinians worship the same.wakeup.
Then how were people coming to God before Jesus?Answer honestly.
Also how were people coming to God before the name Jehovah was given?
Answer honestly.
You still don't get that Jesus was talking to the people he was sent to, otherwise you have to believe that he wasn't sent to the gentiles but only the lost sheep of the House of Israel because that is what he said, but when it comes to that you make that statement temporary and without meaning
Answer honestly.
“No one can come to the Father except by me”
“Do not go to the gentiles”what makes these statements different?
Boditharta.First of all; do you believe that allah is Jehovah
the father of Jesus? Y/N?.
Then how were people coming to God before Jesus?
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].THEY CAME TO GOD BY THE PROPHET MOSES AND THE OTHER PROPHETS AFTER.
.
Also how were people coming to God before the name Jehovah was given?
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
MOSES CALLED GOD; LORD.
GOD INTRODUCED HIMSELF TO MOSES AS;
I AM THAT I AM..
You still don't get that Jesus was talking to the people he was sent to, otherwise you have to believe that he wasn't sent to the gentiles but only the lost sheep of the House of Israel because that is what he said, but when it comes to that you make that statement temporary and without meaning.
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].JESUS WAS SENT TO ISRAEL: TRUE.
ISRAEL WAS GIVEN THE FIRST CHOICE. CORRECT.
SINCE ISRAEL REJECTED HIM, JESUS SENDS PAUL
TO THE GENTILES OUTSIDE ISRAEL.
AND THE OTHER APOSTLES IN ISRAEL.SINCE THEN IT IS THE GENTILES
WHO ACCEPTED JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPELS,ONLY:THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE EARTH.(THERE WAS NO QUR'AN). NOT FOR ANOTHER 630 YEARS.( A 630YR WIDE BLACK HOLE).
**THOSE GENERATIONS** HAVE NO QUR'AN;BUT HAVE THE GOSPELS.ARABIA WAS WORSHIPPING MANY GODS AND IDOLS FOR 630 YEARS; WHILE THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO THE GENTILES.
THERE CAN BE *NO GAP* BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THERE WAS A *630YEAR GAP* BETWEEN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE QUR'AN.
.
“No one can come to the Father except by me”
“Do not go to the gentiles”
what makes these statements different? [UNQUOTE].PAUL WAS SENT TO THE GENTILES ACCORDING TO GOD'S
TIME FRAME.YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND:
THAT JESUS IS THE *WORD OF GOD* MADE FLESH.
HE LEFT US WITH THE WORD OF GOD *IN PRINT*.
THIS BOOK IS CALLED THE HOLY BIBLE.AND NO ONE CAN COME TO GOD;BUT BY STUDYING THE HOLY BIBLE.(BY EATING THE FLESH(SPIRIT FLESH)OF CHRIST.(THEREFORE;NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME).
ONE CAN NOT COME TO GOD BY EATING STRANGE FLESH;
SUCH AS THE QUR'AN.THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE FLESH OF CHRIST.*THE SPIRIT* IN THE SCRIPTURES IS THE FLESH OF CHRIST.
NO OTHER SCRIPTURES CAN CLAIM TO BE THE FLESH OF CHRIST.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,17:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2013,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,23:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04) To all, I worship but one God who is but one person.
I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.
I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.
Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.
They call him by the name allah.
But the Word of God *which is Jesus*;
is not the qur'an; but the Holy bible.
The qur'an is the word of allah.
Two different books; two different gods.
The word of allah is mohamad.
The Word of God is Jesus.We call our God the *Lord of Host*
The Lord Jehovah.
Better still: *OUR FATHER*.
Call no man Father on earth,
for one is your father in heaven.wakeup.
Your information is incorrect in th Quran Jesus is th Word of God. Also the Bible calls Godmany names besides “the lord of hosts”Most importantly whileyou say “Our Father” the Quran refers to God as your “Guardian” which is more accurate because God is not a man and a Guardian is both likea Mother and a Father.
Just a little study goes a long way but near sighted criticism is unwarranted.
and to say ALLAH is not to speak of some different God if it were than you should explain that to all the CHRISTIAN Arabs that only know of God to be called ALLAH in their language.
By the way, do you suppose God is english or Jewish or Arab or any such thing? Of course not we express Godas He is made known to us we don't OWN God, ALLAH owns US.
Kerwin and Boditharta.No man can come to the Father,but by me/Jesus.
Islam teach that allah has *NO* Son.
Therefore; Allah is not the Father/Jehovah.Jehovah's Son is named Jesus,his only begotten.
Allah has no son.
Allah therefore is not Jehovah.
Allah therefore is another god.No man can come to God but **by the Holy scriptures**.
Which is the ***Word of God;which is Jesus**.
The Word made flesh.
The qur'an is *NOT* the Word made flesh.No man can come to the Father, *BY* the qur'an*.
The qur'an is not the way; but the word of God/Jesus, is the ONE way.CHristian Arabs worship Jehovah,and his Son Jesus.
Christian Palestinians worship the same.wakeup.
Then how were people coming to God before Jesus?Answer honestly.
Also how were people coming to God before the name Jehovah was given?
Answer honestly.
You still don't get that Jesus was talking to the people he was sent to, otherwise you have to believe that he wasn't sent to the gentiles but only the lost sheep of the House of Israel because that is what he said, but when it comes to that you make that statement temporary and without meaning
Answer honestly.
“No one can come to the Father except by me”
“Do not go to the gentiles”what makes these statements different?
Boditharta.First of all; do you believe that allah is Jehovah
the father of Jesus? Y/N?.
Then how were people coming to God before Jesus?
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].THEY CAME TO GOD BY THE PROPHET MOSES AND THE OTHER PROPHETS AFTER.
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Also how were people coming to God before the name Jehovah was given?
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
MOSES CALLED GOD; LORD.
GOD INTRODUCED HIMSELF TO MOSES AS;
I AM THAT I AM..
You still don't get that Jesus was talking to the people he was sent to, otherwise you have to believe that he wasn't sent to the gentiles but only the lost sheep of the House of Israel because that is what he said, but when it comes to that you make that statement temporary and without meaning.
Answer honestly.[UNQUOTE].JESUS WAS SENT TO ISRAEL: TRUE.
ISRAEL WAS GIVEN THE FIRST CHOICE. CORRECT.
SINCE ISRAEL REJECTED HIM, JESUS SENDS PAUL
TO THE GENTILES OUTSIDE ISRAEL.
AND THE OTHER APOSTLES IN ISRAEL.SINCE THEN IT IS THE GENTILES
WHO ACCEPTED JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPELS,ONLY:THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE EARTH.(THERE WAS NO QUR'AN). NOT FOR ANOTHER 630 YEARS.( A 630YR WIDE BLACK HOLE).
**THOSE GENERATIONS** HAVE NO QUR'AN;BUT HAVE THE GOSPELS.ARABIA WAS WORSHIPPING MANY GODS AND IDOLS FOR 630 YEARS; WHILE THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO THE GENTILES.
THERE CAN BE *NO GAP* BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THERE WAS A *630YEAR GAP* BETWEEN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE QUR'AN.
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“No one can come to the Father except by me”
“Do not go to the gentiles”
what makes these statements different? [UNQUOTE].PAUL WAS SENT TO THE GENTILES ACCORDING TO GOD'S
TIME FRAME.YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND:
THAT JESUS IS THE *WORD OF GOD* MADE FLESH.
HE LEFT US WITH THE WORD OF GOD *IN PRINT*.
THIS BOOK IS CALLED THE HOLY BIBLE.AND NO ONE CAN COME TO GOD;BUT BY STUDYING THE HOLY BIBLE.(BY EATING THE FLESH(SPIRIT FLESH)OF CHRIST.(THEREFORE;NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME).
ONE CAN NOT COME TO GOD BY EATING STRANGE FLESH;
SUCH AS THE QUR'AN.THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE FLESH OF CHRIST.*THE SPIRIT* IN THE SCRIPTURES IS THE FLESH OF CHRIST.
NO OTHER SCRIPTURES CAN CLAIM TO BE THE FLESH OF CHRIST.wakeup.
I believe you have missed my point.Jesus said “I have ONLY come to the Lost sheep of Israel”
Jesus says “No one comes to the father except through me”
What makes these statements different?
You say Jesus “Only” came to the lost sheep of the House of Israel but only meant that at the time but the second statement you concluded that it meant for all time.
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