New twitter and facebook icons

[mikeboll64]

Hi All,

Here is the question: Do we as members want the Twitter and Facebook icons on this site?

Those new icons cause a 3 second delay on my computer.  Each time I load a new page, I must wait for the icons to load before I can scroll or post. It's like when I click on one of the Yahoo headlines…….. I have to wait a good 10-15 seconds for all the crap to load in the page before I can even scroll down and read the article I wanted to read.

t8 says he doesn't have that problem with Chrome.  But I sure do with Internet Explorer.  And I'm using a 4-G speed connection!

Is anyone else having the same problem? Does anyone here even USE these icons for anything? I don't have a Twitter account or a Facebook account – so they are completely useless to me.

[Lightenup]

Seems useless to me. What is clicking on the fb icon supposed to do? I have a fb account and don't see any thing that it does. It doesn't take me to a HN fb page, is it supposed to?

[seekingtruth]

For me I don't use either, and I had noticed the delay.

[Proclaimer]

I will delete them if a large majority want them gone.

For me there is no delay with any browser, however, I don't have an old browser for testing either. The connection I use is not that great either. The suburb I live in got UltraFast Broadband last year, except half of the street that I live on. Likely will be implemented this year and Heaven Net is lightning fast for me even in light of that.

Sites use Social Icons for marketing. When a person clicks like, it is shared as a like in their Facebook account which then can be viewed by friends of that person.

I know that a number of members here use Facebook and I am even connected to some through Facebook including Nick. I think it is a good site to stay in touch and learn a bit more about people you don't get to visit very often.

Hence this was implemented to modernize the Messenger Area with future additions of other icons that may turn out to be important such as Pinterest.

What I still don't understand is why it slows pages down when you say click Back multiple times because you should be able to click Back say 4 times in a row without waiting for the pages to download each time.

Maybe old versions of IE don't play well with the icons? That could be the problem. And in light of that, I recommend that anyone on an old version of IE download Google Chrome. You will be surprised how much better a browser it is.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:03)

Seems useless to me. What is clicking on the fb icon supposed to do? I have a fb account and don't see any thing that it does. It doesn't take me to a HN fb page, is it supposed to?

It shows up as a Like in your Facebook account. And this is accessible by your friends in Facebook. It's a way of sharing your interests on the Web with friends. If you want HN to be private, then just don't click Like.

A site that is socially connected and has a lot of feedback from social sites does better in Google Search Ranking.

One of the jobs I do is SEO. That is help sites to rank higher in Google without using illegal practices. Social Networking is important in that discipline.

[Lightenup]

Thanks t8 for the explanation. There is no lag in time loading HN for me. However, I had clicked on the fb icon and it took me to a fb login, which I did and later clicked again on the fb icon but I just noticed that HN is not listed as one of my 'likes' so it didn't work for me for some reason.

[Proclaimer]

The first click is a like, and the second undoes the like.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,00:44)

What I still don't understand is why it slows pages down when you say click Back multiple times because you should be able to click Back say 4 times in a row without waiting for the pages to download each time.

Because I don't always KNOW that the page I want to get back to is four clicks away!  

Let's say my last comment on the “Beginning” thread was on page 82.  Kerwin's response to my post is also on page 82.  But the thread is now up to page 95.  So I respond to Kerwin's post, preview my post, correct spelling, preview it again, then decide I want to make something bold, so I do and then preview it again, and then realize I addressed it to Gene, and not Kerwin, so I fix that and preview it again.  Now I'm ready and hit “Submit Post”.  And after submitting the post, I don't REMEMBER that I was addressing a post from page 82, so I just page back over and over and over until I get to the page that has the post to which I was responding.  Then I scroll down that page and the next ones until I get to the next post I want to address.  (This is how I answer posts.  I don't read through all of the new pages and then respond.  I respond to the posts I want AS I'm reading through the new pages of the thread.)

Are you with me so far?  So here's the deal:  Since I don't REMEMBER how many times I've previewed the post and made changes, I don't KNOW how many page-backs I have to do to get back to that original page.  So I page back ONCE, and glance at that page for less than a second to see if it is the page I want to get back to.  My mind can know in less than a second that it is NOT the original page, and so I hit page-back again.  But alas, it is too late.  Because it seems that in even LESS THAN the “less than a second” it takes me to realize I need to page back further, the icons have decided that they want to load, and won't let me page back again until they are done loading.  So I wait for the 3 seconds it takes for them to load, and then page back again.  But alas, that second page-back is still not the original page I'm looking for.  But before I can page back a third time, the icons have decided that they want to load AGAIN, and not let me move my computer until they are done.

And so on, and so on.  So what used to take me 6 seconds of paging back now takes me 32 seconds – or whatever.

Also, the page ITSELF loads IMMEDIATELY.  It's just that I can't actually DO ANYTHING on that page until the icons finish loading.  So if you're going to try IE again, don't just see how fast the page loads.  Try loading a page and IMMEDIATELY scrolling down to the 7th or 8th post on that page.  Let me know how that works for you, t8.

peace,
mike

[terraricca]

Yes I have seen those I was wandering what they were ,useless to me ,

I use Chrome ,but I have close all add on ,

Otherwise I have no problem,

[Proclaimer]

Mike, I did that test in IE and it had no bearing on the pages downloading because the icons loaded last. In other words I was able to see each page before the icons download.

This leads me to believe that you are using an old version of IE because I know that in old versions around IE6, the browser engine needed to load everything in a HTML table before it could display the table. So this would explain to me why you get a delay and I do not.

I checked out Google Analytics and very few users are using old versions of IE.

The other option is you are using the latest version of IE which I cannot download due to not having the latest operating system.

That said, I would delete the icons if they are not useful, and they're not useful so far.

FYI, here is a breakdown of monthly browser usage per visit.
(NOTE: Each visit can view multiple pages.)

1.Safari7,318
2.Internet Explorer 6,005
3.Chrome4,402 
4.Android Browser3,518
5.Firefox3,025

And of the IE users, version numbers break down as follows:

1.9.03,405
2.8.01,833
3.10.0444
4.7.0273
5.6.049
6.81

[seekingtruth]

If it helps the site, I can live with the minor inconvenience.

Wm

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,19:05)

Mike, I did that test in IE and it had no bearing on the pages downloading because the icons loaded last. In other words I was able to see each page before the icons download.

I'm using the newest version – I believe 9. But I think you are missing the point, t8. The page itself loads before the icons do. So I can immeditately see the top of the page, ie: part of the first post on the page.

But I can't SCROLL down or do anything else WITH that page until the icons are done loading.

Do you understand what I'm saying to you?

Look, if the icons help bring more people to the site, then leave them. But is there a way I personally can disable them from my HN?

[Proclaimer]

Yeah I understand that. But that behaviour has never happened to me. It is perplexing that 2 social icons would do that to anyone with IE9. No they cannot be disabled. They are hard coded in unless I remove that code.

[Proclaimer]

Yeah I understand that now. And I see what you mean. That proves to me further what a bad browser IE is. I will take the icons out now because IE still has major market share even though it is the worst browser on the market. This is why monopolies are bad. They force feed bad products to the market and can still retain major market share even when the product is not as good as the competition.

Thanks for your feedback BTW.

[terraricca]

I use EI 10 for window seven ,it seems working good to me anyway

[Proclaimer]

Social icons should be possible now that the forum has migrated to WordPress.

[Admin]

Ignore this post. Just testing something out.

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