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Oh I need to edit what I said above, (kids are distracting me!)
It should say
Cause iv never personally got that (the dead Jesus on a cross)
Jesus was allways alive to me never dead!
Karmarie………..Then why did Jesus himself said He was (DEAD) then, and Now was alive for ever more. In REVELATIONS.
peace and love …………..gene
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 08 2009,15:31) Karmarie………..Then why did Jesus himself said He was (DEAD) then, and Now was alive for ever more. In REVELATIONS. peace and love …………..gene
It is in revelations so that simply means he will die after he returns and will be risen from death even the Quran says he was born will die and be raised back to life.I worship “MOON PIES”!
http://www.moonpie.com/products.aspQuote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 08 2009,23:10) I worship “MOON PIES”!
http://www.moonpie.com/products.asp
Moon pies are fabulous, I haven't had one in years
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:44) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:21) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 08 2009,07:27) Quote (Gene @ Dec. 08 2009,03:37) BD……….This is your thread and your purpose is to try to divert the faith in GOD and Christ, You have many time denied the Blood sacrifice of Christ Here and have not Part with us in this seeing you reject his blood (life) sacrifice, you seem to be trying to push Islam more then seeking the truth. What peace2all has posted and said is right. Be careful for scripture has not said in vain GOD will affect them who affect Us, you are on dangerous ground . You continued rejection of the sacrifice of Christ being applied to you, will cause you to dies in your sins. God will not accept you if you reject his (payment) for your sins. Dump Islam and become a follower of Jesus, who redeemed us from death and delivered us unto the glorious Kingdom of our GOD and FATHER. IMO peace and love……………………gene
BD,I have not read the Koran, but what I do admire in Islam is many things, I would love to have Muslim neighbours, I would learn alot from them.
So, did Jesus die on the cross like the bible says?
Here,
Sura 3:55 says “I am about to cause your term on earth to end.” Arabic , “Inim wuta wafika” means, “I will cause you to die.”
Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) – “Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection.”
Sura 19:33 Jesus is quoted as saying, “So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life.”
All you have to do is accept that Jesus did die, and that Jesus is more than a prophet, and the rest of Islam is sweet!
It is strong and it is beutifull
karmarie how can it be sweet??they demean jesus making him a mere man.
they replace him with there own messiah muhammad,, thus going against god.
they uphold the quran over the bible. if muhammad not part of god or his word then how can his book be better than the holy scriptures.
they earnestly try to disprove god's word the bible at every turn.
they only use some scriptures and not the whole bible. the only scriptures they use ar ethe ones that will fit in with there islam.
to call god a liar is wrong no matter what
No one has called God a liar. Where does God say “I will sacrifice my son”?
that is not even the discussion or arguement that we have had.you demeaned jesus as a mere man prophet no more important or better than another. yet is is far more important.
yuo demeaned his ransom to all mankind as it not needed or important or having any meaning to us all.
all i did was show you scriptures that said it did adn does. god's good news the bible tells you so.
his blood sanctified all and cleansed us all.
it took the dominion of sin off of us and is now forgiveable to god.
before then it wasn't
i showed yuo many scriptures that say exactly that. you show nothing to show the opposite.
do you want to know why?
becasue if it is shown in the bible perfectly and without a doubt and says the exact things that it is it can never be proven false , ever.
your trying to ignore and trying to disprove it tells volumes !that you do not believe god's good news the holy bible.
your now saying there are no scriptures saying god himself sent his son to be killed is not even relevant .
its not even the topic we were discussing. the scriptures tell us what happened after christ's ransom, what it did for mankind thats all i was showing you. i was showing you because you deny ot ignore or just maybe didn't know, or maybe you don't care and never will.
that has been the topic!!!!!!!!!
you say that jesus's blood did nothing for us and means nothing.
all i did was show you scriptures that tell you to a T, that it did mean something and what it did for mankind.
if you really want to do good – go tell your muslim brothers to stop killing everyone.
maybe your puffed up with pride too much that you refuse to open your heart to god.
who cares where it came from, if the truth is shown accept it.
you call god a liar by trying to disprove his word. if yuo are shown a scripture and it tells you the truth yet you go out to only disprove a fact, then you are calling god a lair because tehy are his inspired words.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,09:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:44) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:21) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 08 2009,07:27) Quote (Gene @ Dec. 08 2009,03:37) BD……….This is your thread and your purpose is to try to divert the faith in GOD and Christ, You have many time denied the Blood sacrifice of Christ Here and have not Part with us in this seeing you reject his blood (life) sacrifice, you seem to be trying to push Islam more then seeking the truth. What peace2all has posted and said is right. Be careful for scripture has not said in vain GOD will affect them who affect Us, you are on dangerous ground . You continued rejection of the sacrifice of Christ being applied to you, will cause you to dies in your sins. God will not accept you if you reject his (payment) for your sins. Dump Islam and become a follower of Jesus, who redeemed us from death and delivered us unto the glorious Kingdom of our GOD and FATHER. IMO peace and love……………………gene
BD,I have not read the Koran, but what I do admire in Islam is many things, I would love to have Muslim neighbours, I would learn alot from them.
So, did Jesus die on the cross like the bible says?
Here,
Sura 3:55 says “I am about to cause your term on earth to end.” Arabic , “Inim wuta wafika” means, “I will cause you to die.”
Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) – “Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection.”
Sura 19:33 Jesus is quoted as saying, “So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life.”
All you have to do is accept that Jesus did die, and that Jesus is more than a prophet, and the rest of Islam is sweet!
It is strong and it is beutifull
karmarie how can it be sweet??they demean jesus making him a mere man.
they replace him with there own messiah muhammad,, thus going against god.
they uphold the quran over the bible. if muhammad not part of god or his word then how can his book be better than the holy scriptures.
they earnestly try to disprove god's word the bible at every turn.
they only use some scriptures and not the whole bible. the only scriptures they use ar ethe ones that will fit in with there islam.
to call god a liar is wrong no matter what
No one has called God a liar. Where does God say “I will sacrifice my son”?
that is not even the discussion or arguement that we have had.you demeaned jesus as a mere man prophet no more important or better than another. yet is is far more important.
yuo demeaned his ransom to all mankind as it not needed or important or having any meaning to us all.
all i did was show you scriptures that said it did adn does. god's good news the bible tells you so.
his blood sanctified all and cleansed us all.
it took the dominion of sin off of us and is now forgiveable to god.
before then it wasn't
i showed yuo many scriptures that say exactly that. you show nothing to show the opposite.
do you want to know why?
becasue if it is shown in the bible perfectly and without a doubt and says the exact things that it is it can never be proven false , ever.
your trying to ignore and trying to disprove it tells volumes !that you do not believe god's good news the holy bible.
your now saying there are no scriptures saying god himself sent his son to be killed is not even relevant .
its not even the topic we were discussing. the scriptures tell us what happened after christ's ransom, what it did for mankind thats all i was showing you. i was showing you because you deny ot ignore or just maybe didn't know, or maybe you don't care and never will.
that has been the topic!!!!!!!!!
you say that jesus's blood did nothing for us and means nothing.
all i did was show you scriptures that tell you to a T, that it did mean something and what it did for mankind.
if you really want to do good – go tell your muslim brothers to stop killing everyone.
maybe your puffed up with pride too much that you refuse to open your heart to god.
who cares where it came from, if the truth is shown accept it.
you call god a liar by trying to disprove his word. if yuo are shown a scripture and it tells you the truth yet you go out to only disprove a fact, then you are calling god a lair because tehy are his inspired words.
So since Christ shed his blood for you(according to the scriptures) How has this changed your life?You said you still sin and you still are punished for your sins, right?
god forgives sins now through christs blood, if you repent and are seeking his kingdom, his will, his word's, the things jesus his son taught and shown us to do. if you are believing his word and trying to live your life to his will then you are in union with them
if you live life not as god wills and are doing detestable things to god, you are in union with the ruler of this system of things satan.
we are now under the law of christ jesus. sin no longer owns us( if that makes sense) it dominion is not over us christ changed that.
so now what is our goal, it is to not worship falsely, not worship idols or images or icons , to not do things detesable to god. preach his good news of the kingdom and make disciples, get baptized, have faith and let our love and faith do the spiritual things that saves us , we need to worship god in spirit. do not incorperate man's doctrines t ohis word.
one cannot go on disproving god's word when shown, one cannot ignore when shown, one cannot demean his son or his word or himself. and yet think they love or worship god
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:35) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,09:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:44) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:21) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 08 2009,07:27) Quote (Gene @ Dec. 08 2009,03:37) BD……….This is your thread and your purpose is to try to divert the faith in GOD and Christ, You have many time denied the Blood sacrifice of Christ Here and have not Part with us in this seeing you reject his blood (life) sacrifice, you seem to be trying to push Islam more then seeking the truth. What peace2all has posted and said is right. Be careful for scripture has not said in vain GOD will affect them who affect Us, you are on dangerous ground . You continued rejection of the sacrifice of Christ being applied to you, will cause you to dies in your sins. God will not accept you if you reject his (payment) for your sins. Dump Islam and become a follower of Jesus, who redeemed us from death and delivered us unto the glorious Kingdom of our GOD and FATHER. IMO peace and love……………………gene
BD,I have not read the Koran, but what I do admire in Islam is many things, I would love to have Muslim neighbours, I would learn alot from them.
So, did Jesus die on the cross like the bible says?
Here,
Sura 3:55 says “I am about to cause your term on earth to end.” Arabic , “Inim wuta wafika” means, “I will cause you to die.”
Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) – “Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection.”
Sura 19:33 Jesus is quoted as saying, “So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life.”
All you have to do is accept that Jesus did die, and that Jesus is more than a prophet, and the rest of Islam is sweet!
It is strong and it is beutifull
karmarie how can it be sweet??they demean jesus making him a mere man.
they replace him with there own messiah muhammad,, thus going against god.
they uphold the quran over the bible. if muhammad not part of god or his word then how can his book be better than the holy scriptures.
they earnestly try to disprove god's word the bible at every turn.
they only use some scriptures and not the whole bible. the only scriptures they use ar ethe ones that will fit in with there islam.
to call god a liar is wrong no matter what
No one has called God a liar. Where does God say “I will sacrifice my son”?
that is not even the discussion or arguement that we have had.you demeaned jesus as a mere man prophet no more important or better than another. yet is is far more important.
yuo demeaned his ransom to all mankind as it not needed or important or having any meaning to us all.
all i did was show you scriptures that said it did adn does. god's good news the bible tells you so.
his blood sanctified all and cleansed us all.
it took the dominion of sin off of us and is now forgiveable to god.
before then it wasn't
i showed yuo many scriptures that say exactly that. you show nothing to show the opposite.
do you want to know why?
becasue if it is shown in the bible perfectly and without a doubt and says the exact things that it is it can never be proven false , ever.
your trying to ignore and trying to disprove it tells volumes !that you do not believe god's good news the holy bible.
your now saying there are no scriptures saying god himself sent his son to be killed is not even relevant .
its not even the topic we were discussing. the scriptures tell us what happened after christ's ransom, what it did for mankind thats all i was showing you. i was showing you because you deny ot ignore or just maybe didn't know, or maybe you don't care and never will.
that has been the topic!!!!!!!!!
you say that jesus's blood did nothing for us and means nothing.
all i did was show you scriptures that tell you to a T, that it did mean something and what it did for mankind.
if you really want to do good – go tell your muslim brothers to stop killing everyone.
maybe your puffed up with pride too much that you refuse to open your heart to god.
who cares where it came from, if the truth is shown accept it.
you call god a liar by trying to disprove his word. if yuo are shown a scripture and it tells you the truth yet you go out to only disprove a fact, then you are calling god a lair because tehy are his inspired words.
So since Christ shed his blood for you(according to the scriptures) How has this changed your life?You said you still sin and you still are punished for your sins, right?
great question!!!it now allows one to stop thinking they are never good enough, never able to really do enough because they may falter. thinking wel maybe i can make it up if i do this or that.
it no longer is that great burden on us, jesus said his yoke was light and to give him our problems.
now we need to do the spirit things for god. thts what is our salvation.
but i point out, if you are not doing his will only, then you are doing satans will. one cannot ignore the truth when shown, try to disprove the truth when there. or deny or take away from a action or teaching been done and try to cut it down or dismiss it if its god's inspired word
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:44) No one has called God a liar.
Where does God say “I will sacrifice my son”?
Hi BD,The scripture says ask for truth; and truth shall be given to you!
And since you have asked I will show you where.Matt.26:39-42 And he(Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face,
and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup(the crucifixion) pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt . And he cometh unto the disciples,
and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing,
but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
O my Father, if this cup(the crucifixion) may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,23:13) Guess they don't like “Moom Pies”. I like to wash them down with “Nesbits Pineapple Crush”.
I gues not, But anyway I would like to thank you once again for being a sincere God loving individual who is secure with what he believes enough to share his faith without hate or anger.Almost time to go from here probably today is the last.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2009,18:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:44) No one has called God a liar.
Where does God say “I will sacrifice my son”?
Hi BD,The scripture says ask for truth; and truth shall be given to you!
And since you have asked I will show you where.Matt.26:39-42 And he(Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face,
and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup(the crucifixion) pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt . And he cometh unto the disciples,
and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing,
but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
O my Father, if this cup(the crucifixion) may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
ED,Even if what you say here is correct it would simply mean Jesus was willing to be obedient even unto death as I had always said but that would certainly be enough.
Abraham believed God and was obedient to the point of willingly sacrificing his son but in that submission he was freed from the actual sacrifice of his son.
Likewise the Quran simply points out that God loving Jesus saved his life from THE PLOT to kill him. This is only upsetting to Christians because they believe their salvation depends on a SACRIFICE whereas Muslims believe salvation depends on a MERCIFUL GOD.
Jesus says that God prefers Mercy to Sacrifice so it is my understanding of Jesus that allows me to believe and understand the deeper things of God.
To you Jesus MUST have died or you are still dead
To me Jesus is ALIVEYou believe Jesus was risen from the dead
I believe Jesus was risen from those who were deadThe only way for Jesus to be right when he says:
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:27-28Is if he never died at all and we can not say this occured already because of the verse before it:
Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
There is no one today that was standing there that is alive to day that has not tasted death unless Jesus was taken up to heaven alive never tasting death other wise the prophecy is false.
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