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Hi kerwin
My question is not “why does God allow evil,” and if I gave that impression, I’m sorry.My question is:
Doesn’t it seem odd to believe for instance that God is answering your prayer about your leg that hurts when he doesn’t seem to answer the prayer of this girl who was raped for 24 years for example?And when your leg gets better it’s a miracle.
And when the atheists leg gets better it’s a coincidence or just nature.Your leg getting better, God did that. Because you prayed. But this girl who was raped by her father every day, for 24 years, her prayers were not as important as your sore leg.
((I am not asking about why the girl was raped or why bad things happen. I’m talking about the miracles))
Hi david,
Yes the theoretical approach to the power of God is considered valid by many religious.
But knowing the Lord God of Israel is the best way of resolving it.
David, I have had heaps of evidence that God exists, real miracles in my life, and incredible visions about all kinds of things. I have even tasted of the age to come. I am not bragging about this, but this is part of my calling in God. A personal friend of mine was perplexed about my experiences because he never had any personal sign or the kind of contact with God such as I had. I knew my friend was a genuine believer, so I use to remind him of the following scripture:
“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
My argument was that in not seeing, he was actually more blessed in this way than myself, although to be honest I still believed when I did not see. But my point is a valid one. If you have faith and yet have not seen, then you have a special faith. I know the above scripture is talking about seeing Jesus. But Thomas saw Jesus before, and it was the fact that he saw him after he died that made him believe. Rising from the dead was a miracle.
Anyway, this was not a complete explanation for my friend. He prayed and prayed about this and finally God spoke to him in a dream because of his persistence.
God told him that he was not to be concerned about me or compare himself to me because God had a special reason for the things he showed me. He then told him that he ordained him to learn through the experiences of life. The next day he came to me really excited and told me that God actually spoke to him for the first time in his life. I got the feeling that the message he got was secondary, and the pure fact that he heard from God was what was important to him. My friend lives in Australia now, and he is a strong believer to this day.
God still talks to people, he still performs miracles, and he gives people visions.
T8,
I believe you have higher amount of dopamine in your brain than average. I’m not saying this is bad, but I believe if you saw a specialist, this could be confirmed.
Hi david,
Heb 11.6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him. For he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Nick
having studied quite a bit, I know that belief (or faith) is the default for the human brain.
It takes almost no effort to believe.
It takes great effort and anguish and frustration not to believe.
Bit I have no desire for either–only truth.
In answer to your question, yes.
What education? As far as this thread goes, lack of credible evidence after 3 decades of study and searching slowly eroded my ability to cling to the desired belief in miracles today.
David,
It is almost post not to have faith since all that can really be proved is the fact that that thinks they exists exists. It is plausible someone has no view about whether reality exists or is just a dream but I have never heard of anyone that takes that viewpoint.
David,
Then the answer is God has mercy on whom he has mercy and compassion on whom he has compassion.
I have kidney disease and I certainly pray for healing but many others have kidney disease as well and God does not heal a significant number of them. He has never been one to do a whole lot of miracles, Jesus commented on that.
The best answer I can come up is that the current world is in Satan’s hand and God choose to interfere on rare occasions.
David…….PAUL BESOT THE LORD THREE TIME, TO TAKE AWAY HIS PAIN IN THE SIDE, BUT GOD TOLD HIM HIS GRACE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR HIM. SO EVEN THE APOSTLES REQUEST WAS DENIED 2 Cor 12:7-10.
Yet again Paul said , tell me this, he that works miricals among you, does he do it by works of law, or BY HEARING OF FAITH. So obviously mircales were being done, it is even true today David. Gal 3:5
David if God is working with you he will reaveal himself to you, being “sincere” and putting him to the test will produce proof. Early inmy life i like you wanted tangible proof of God’s existence, in my life, so i put him to the test by his own words. Mal 3:10, and it worked forme miracles after mircales, i apsolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt of his existence an being in my life,no one can take that away from me, it was given me by GO HI SELF. EACH PERSON MUST GET HIS OWN PROOFS DAVID. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
Hi david,
Science is based on what can be seen.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
A blind man said
“Jesus, son of David, have mercy on me”
The response from Jesus was unscientific
“Receive your sight. your faith has made you well”
Hi david,
Was Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead?
It is unscientific but true.
But the world teaches science is god.
Nick,
Science only seeks answers of how things are done. Healing the blind is not anti-science nor is any other miracle.
David seeks to explain why human beings no longer perform miracles. I have not witnessed any miracles done by human beings that I can testify are actual miracles and not some type of fraud.
On the other hand I believe there are still miracles that God does as he is still living and active. Sometimes scientist may be able to explain them but that does not make them any less miracles. God works within his own laws. Scientists strive to understand those laws.
Nick,
Hi david,
If science does not admit the possibility of miracles
it is not true science.
Very true as it would be biased and so false.
The other thing that my mind is bothered by in your story is that I know people with severe mental illnesses such as extreme hoarding. Now you can go in their house and you know their mind has severe problems. But when you see him walking down the street or talk to him, completely normal.
E en my father in law has depression and the way he behaves in public is different than the way he behaves at home. If you only saw him outside of his home, you would get a very different impression than if you were a fly on the wall in his home where he feels relaxed and unstoppable.
David,
this man walked angry, acted angry, appeared angry in public. he no longer does, he appears like anyone else. i have no desire to inquire if he had an experience with God around the time i prayed for him because, i know he did. i felt the power of God working and i just know.
i had other experiences, even once on this forum, i felt the power of God work through me touching someone, asking a specific request, and, lo and behold the person mentioned their experience the next day. they did not know i prayed for them.
so as i said, not all “miracles” today are a public show. and, at least with me, it is not my free will but the spirit that moves me, i can’t just pray for someone cause they requested, or cause i want to.
also, some miracles are in your face. God has given people knowledge. example, look how far we have come with modern medicine. we can bring the dead back. we can give sight to the blind, and heal people without them feeling a thing (‘greater [more in number] things than these will you do’).
quote:
“James Simpson discovered anesthesia, and was a Christian who used scripture to argue in its favor.
“Some doctors did not jump at the opportunity to use anesthesia….. Here’s where Simpson found an argument from Scripture. He turned to Genesis 2, where God put Adam to sleep while performing surgery on him to create Eve from his side. If God could use a kind of anesthesia before the fall of man, why could not we use such a technique today? Tiner explains, “Simpson believed the principle that God did not rejoice in needless pain still applied.”
This was not an isolated application of Scripture for Simpson. Tiner goes on to explain that Simpson was an avid Christian, a Bible scholar, and soulwinner. He even wrote a tract explaining the gospel of Jesus Christ to non-Christians.
Chloroform was a major advance in surgery. Patients think nothing of going into an Adamic sleep while being cut open for operations that before would have caused screams of pain, only to awaken sewn up and unaware of the trauma.
In Men of Science, Men of God (1988, p. 52), Henry M. Morris wrote that Simpson could have boasted about his discovery of chloroform, but exclaimed that his greatest discovery was, “That I have a Saviour!” Morris quoted the end of that gospel tract Simpson wrote. It said:
But again I looked and saw Jesus, my substitute, scourged in my stead and dying on the cross for me. I looked and cried and was forgiven. And it seems to be my duty to tell you of that Saviour, to see if you will not also look and live. ‘He was wounded for our transgressions, … and with His stripes we are healed’ (Isaiah 53:5)”
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