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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,00:59) 1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. God bless
ookk AND?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:24) WJ, Quote For those who find the seeming contradiction of God being Father and Son, in Heaven and on earth simultaneously, an insurmountable one, consider some of the contradictions of your own position, which demonstrate the weakness of your logical arguments against this truth. Earlier I quoted where Jesus told Philip that those who have seen Him have seen the Father. Question:
If the Son is not the Father, how then can Jesus say they have seen the Father by seeing the Son? What would be the point of seeing the Father then? Or is it that none born of God will ever see their own Father?Jesus says that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He also says,“He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father” (John 14:12 MKJV).
Question: How can He go to His Father if, as He said, “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”? Is He not already there?
Paul Cohen
“Jesus Christ, Almighty God” by Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachin….god.htm
Hi SF,Then where is your PROOF?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:08) Ed J,
Do you mind? i was speaking to JA to supply the verse he was referring too.Thank you, stick to math.
Hi D,1 Corinthians 1:20 NIV
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?Colossians 2:8 NIV
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.Good enough?
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:24) Jesus says that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He also says,“He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father” (John 14:12 MKJV). Question: How can He go to His Father if, as He said, “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”? Is He not already there?
Also, how can Jesus GO TO his Father if he already IS his own Father – as if that makes any sense in itself.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:27) I learned from the best (Mike)
Thank you SF! But you have a lot more left to learn. Patience my dear boy.peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,01:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:24) WJ, Quote For those who find the seeming contradiction of God being Father and Son, in Heaven and on earth simultaneously, an insurmountable one, consider some of the contradictions of your own position, which demonstrate the weakness of your logical arguments against this truth. Earlier I quoted where Jesus told Philip that those who have seen Him have seen the Father. Question:
If the Son is not the Father, how then can Jesus say they have seen the Father by seeing the Son? What would be the point of seeing the Father then? Or is it that none born of God will ever see their own Father?Jesus says that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He also says,“He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father” (John 14:12 MKJV).
Question: How can He go to His Father if, as He said, “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”? Is He not already there?
Paul Cohen
“Jesus Christ, Almighty God” by Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachin….god.htm
Hi SF,Then where is your PROOF?
prooof FOR what???Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,02:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:08) Ed J,
Do you mind? i was speaking to JA to supply the verse he was referring too.Thank you, stick to math.
Hi D,1 Corinthians 1:20 NIV
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?Colossians 2:8 NIV
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.Good enough?
mike
Mike and EJ, this wasnt a literal “where does it say in the scriptures” instead i had my own point and intentions for JA who was the orginal person to make HIS comment. thank you.1 Corinthians ch 1 shows how God chose the foolish over the wisdom of the world.
And Francis makes very good points that can be scripturaly proven.
Mike wouldnt Ed J's Math gemteria count as a “hollow” and “deceptive phiosophy”, which “depends on human tradtion (math gemteria)” than to depend on Christ?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,02:58) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:24) Jesus says that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He also says,“He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father” (John 14:12 MKJV). Question: How can He go to His Father if, as He said, “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”? Is He not already there?
Also, how can Jesus GO TO his Father if he already IS his own Father – as if that makes any sense in itself.
Of Course, because they are the same person, as Jesus plainly described to Philip.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,03:00) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:27) I learned from the best (Mike)
Thank you SF! But you have a lot more left to learn. Patience my dear boy.peace and love,
mike
Im Glad you enjoyed my sarcasm =)
old people need a good laugh every now and thanQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,02:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,06:08) Ed J,
Do you mind? i was speaking to JA to supply the verse he was referring too.Thank you, stick to math.
Hi D,1 Corinthians 1:20 NIV
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?Colossians 2:8 NIV
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.Good enough?
mike
Mike and EJ, this wasnt a literal “where does it say in the scriptures” instead i had my own point and intentions for JA who was the orginal person to make HIS comment. thank you.1 Corinthians ch 1 shows how God chose the foolish over the wisdom of the world.
And Francis makes very good points that can be scripturaly proven.
Mike wouldnt Ed J's Math gemteria count as a “hollow” and “deceptive phiosophy”, which “depends on human tradtion (math gemteria)” than to depend on Christ?
Hi SF,Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.So you consider a second “witness” as foolishness?
1Cor.1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews
a “stumbling”(117)block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;That confirmeth the word of his servant(Ed J),
and performeth the counsel of his messengers; (Isaiah 44:26)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgblah blah blah i didnt even read it because its foolish, a nonesense, and a lie that you manipulated to prove God's existance.
God doesnt need you to prove that he exists through a man made object Sir
The systems of religion and (Ed's)traditions of men (Spams)communicate…
distortions of truth(trying to prove that God exists), confusion of mind(English gemtaria), and distractions of spirit(Ed J nonesense).Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,12:00) blah blah blah i didnt even read it because its foolish, a nonesense, and a lie that you manipulated to prove God's existance. God doesnt need you to prove that he exists through a man made object Sir
Hi SF,Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,06:09) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,12:00) blah blah blah i didnt even read it because its foolish, a nonesense, and a lie that you manipulated to prove God's existance. God doesnt need you to prove that he exists through a man made object Sir
Hi SF,Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:50) Mike wouldnt Ed J's Math gemteria count as a “hollow” and “deceptive phiosophy”, which “depends on human tradtion (math gemteria)” than to depend on Christ?
I ignore Ed's numbers, D. He adds the word “the” sometimes to make the numbers add up and omits it other times.mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:51) Quote (mike @ 1) Also, how can Jesus GO TO his Father if he already IS his own Father – as if that makes any sense in itself.
Of Course, because they are the same person, as Jesus plainly described to Philip.
Then John 14:12 just doesn't count? Jesus was LYING when he said he would GO TO his Father?mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,13:40) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:51) Quote (mike @ 1) Also, how can Jesus GO TO his Father if he already IS his own Father – as if that makes any sense in itself.
Of Course, because they are the same person, as Jesus plainly described to Philip.
Then John 14:12 just doesn't count? Jesus was LYING when he said he would GO TO his Father?mike
Hi Mike,Consider the “fractal” truth in this verse…
Joshua 23:14 And, behold, this day I going the way of all the earth:
and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing
hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning
you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.“Going the way of all the earth” is a strange phrase meaning death in this case,
but Spiritually speaking, Jesus was then able to fulfill John 14:23 on “Pentecost” day!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,07:38) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:50) Mike wouldnt Ed J's Math gemteria count as a “hollow” and “deceptive phiosophy”, which “depends on human tradtion (math gemteria)” than to depend on Christ?
I ignore Ed's numbers, D. He adds the word “the” sometimes to make the numbers add up and omits it other times.mike
Exactly Mike,
but shhhh because than he will start spamming you with biblical verses, and stating how you are carnal ironically.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,07:40) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,10:51) Quote (mike @ 1) Also, how can Jesus GO TO his Father if he already IS his own Father – as if that makes any sense in itself.
Of Course, because they are the same person, as Jesus plainly described to Philip.
Then John 14:12 just doesn't count? Jesus was LYING when he said he would GO TO his Father?mike
I dont believe so. but than again i can ask you the same question, was Jesus lying in what he told philip?
he asked, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
or should we omit that?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,12:14) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,06:09) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,12:00) blah blah blah i didnt even read it because its foolish, a nonesense, and a lie that you manipulated to prove God's existance. God doesnt need you to prove that he exists through a man made object Sir
Hi SF,Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
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