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WorshippingJesus,
you are a more dreadful dragon than mikeboll64 – you are the nearest to SATAN of a person that I have ever met anywhere in my life.
I am reporting your posts to t8 so that he can note your deceit. and may “Heaven” rebuke you.
WorshippingJesus,
you are a more dreadful dragon than mikeboll64 – you are the nearest to SATAN of a person that I have ever met anywhere in my life.
I am reporting your posts to t8 so that he can note your deceit. and may “Heaven” rebuke you.
To everyone,
Quote Worshipping Jesus, please indulge me one more time… If Jesus is the Son of god from Eternity…how did he become the Son…
For there to be a father – there has to be a Son.
First the MAN then the Father at the conception of the Son…
So the MAN must have existed before becoming a Father…yet Trinity says the Son always existed…please explain, thank you.I look forward to your early response (or just whenever!) but an answer no less – I am intrigued as to your reply – excited even….
The quote above is what WorshippingJesus calls Adhominem and Condescension.
Could someone please point out to me where these bits are – i am willing to accept all answer – without response…thank you.
For Worshippingjesus,
Jesus is the Son of God, right?
So God gave rise to the Son, right? Ok, Good.
The Son is the 'son of the one who is his father', right? Put it how you like, but is this right? Yes.
So God is his father, right? I mean it says it right there, right (SON OF GOD :. GOD is his Father)GOD the Father, God the Father, God the father…. The Father is God, right? So is God the Father the same Father as the Father who is the Father of the Son? i.e. God?
For it seems that Both God is father of Jesus – AND The Father is Father of Jesus?
Tell me WorshippingJesus, would it be better to give GOD a name to help clear things up.
How about, umm, Almighty God, God Almighty, or the Most High God, or , YHVH GOD. or even Jehovah, what about “I AM”.
So which is which, ok, I'll chose YHVH, short and sweet.
The Son is …YHVH
the holy Spirit is YHVH
the Father is YHVH(Remember, this is just trying to clear things up. This is how Theoretical mathematics works and clears up a mass of confusing hypothesis in classes all over the world.)
But each YHVH is not A single YHVH but IS YHVH but is one and the same YHVH.
A=D, B=D, C=D and D=D
but: (# not equal to)
A # B
B # C
C # A
And A is not B
and B is not C
and C is not A
and B is not A
and C is not B
but yet ALL are equal to D
but A,B,C == D (== strongly equal to)illogical!!
Only a handicapped mind could devise should an illogical formulae – only a Satanic mind power could convince so many to believe it.
And that is why Worshippingjesus is so angry even as I post a soft post to him – Where did he come saying I was aggressive, adhominem – what is that anyway, and condescending?
Who is the Father of Jesus – is it the father – or it it it God?
If there is a Father – there is a So.
Before there was a Son there was no father.
The father and the son came together – when three was a Son – then there was instantly a father.there fore there was no Trinity UNTIL There was a Son -and a Father.
First there was God and his Holy Spirit.
then God became a Father instantly to a Son – then there was God, the Father and the Son… and the holy Spirit of god.
The Son is not God – he is the SON of God.
WorshippingJesus admits that there is no such thing as “God the Son” but that it was DEVISED…well, we know what deVICES can do, don't we, especially drunken devices; Much harm, i warrant!!
The hly Spirit
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 04 2011,15:23) Worshippingjesus, I asked the questions nicely of you.
please can you just answer with civility.
you start to reap your own way??
No Terraricca,
WorshippingJesus is just doing this because he knows he cannot answer the question. This is his way of trying to get away from answering.
It has nothing to do with anything I said to him.
read the threads from the beginning – I never said anything out of turn to him but he felt threatened and used the only weapon he has in his arsenal – like a woman, lift up and tear his skirt, shriek and cry out that he is being attacked!!!
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,16:17) WorshippingJesus, you are a more dreadful dragon than mikeboll64 – you are the nearest to SATAN of a person that I have ever met anywhere in my life.
I am reporting your posts to t8 so that he can note your deceit. and may “Heaven” rebuke you.
Like I said please take deep breaths when you respond so that to much emotion doesn’t come through your post.
This is supposed to be friendly dialogue and not full of ad-hominems, critisisms and condemnation eminating from a condescending spirit.
Blessings WJ
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,16:23) Worshippingjesus, I asked the questions nicely of you.
please can you just answer with civility.
IstariAnd I answered you nicely. Do you only require others to answer your questions and you not answer theirs?
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 04 2011,09:52) Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,16:23) Worshippingjesus, I asked the questions nicely of you.
please can you just answer with civility.
IstariAnd I answered you nicely. Do you only require others to answer your questions and you not answer theirs?
Blessings WJ
Keith,You should permanently ignore Istari.
Jack
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,16:30) To everyone, Quote Worshipping Jesus, please indulge me one more time… If Jesus is the Son of god from Eternity…how did he become the Son…
For there to be a father – there has to be a Son.
First the MAN then the Father at the conception of the Son…
So the MAN must have existed before becoming a Father…yet Trinity says the Son always existed…please explain, thank you.I look forward to your early response (or just whenever!) but an answer no less – I am intrigued as to your reply – excited even….
The quote above is what WorshippingJesus calls Adhominem and Condescension.
Could someone please point out to me where these bits are – i am willing to accept all answer – without response…thank you.
IstariI am referring to mean spirited and condemning accusing words llike these…
“(I don't know where you are getting angry at me – did you get up on the wrong side of the bed?) you provide your own hangman's noose – like Haman did in “Book of Esther”.
WorshippingJesus, do you even know the Scriptures.
It appears you are a long way of understanding even simple Scriptures – not because you can't but because you are on a campaign to distort the word of god and being WishyWashy is the only way you can make things appear to work.
Your explanations are shallow and full of holes. Indeed they have to be shallow because to go indepth would mean making even worse distortions that are so obvious even Mikeboll64 could make a stand against you?
Worshipping Jesus, are you ill like the others in this forum.
Every post you made to me above is full of warped something or other.
I feel fear in you. Your posts reveal that your are fearfilled.“
Just to mention a few.
Seriously, you need to chill, you are showing your true colors by attacking even terraricca who was actually posting against me.
Blessings WJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 03 2011,18:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 04 2011,09:52) Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,16:23) Worshippingjesus, I asked the questions nicely of you.
please can you just answer with civility.
IstariAnd I answered you nicely. Do you only require others to answer your questions and you not answer theirs?
Blessings WJ
Keith,You should permanently ignore Istari.
Jack
JackI agree! But I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
WJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 03 2011,22:23) Worshippingjesus said: Quote Because we know that the word “God” does not mean “powerful ruler” and if it does you still loose because Jesus is sitting next to the Father having all “Authority and Power” in his hands which according to your own definition means he is God.
Both the Father and the Son are called “despotes” in scripture which means “SUPREME Ruler.” In Acts 4:24 the Father is called “despotes” and in Jude 4 Christ is called “only despotes.” So by Mike's logic the Father must be excluded from being called “only despotes” because Christ is called the “only despotes” (supreme ruler).If the expression “only God” in reference to the Father must exclude Jesus, then the expression “only despotes” in reference to Christ must exclude the Father. Yet the scripture says that the Father is “despotes” just as clearly as it says that Christ is “God.”
Roo
KJ,YOUR BACK!!!! ALRIGHT MAN WHATS UP!
Man dude we have missed you
came back in a good time to.up to get you up to speed:
Antrins: are claiming that Jesus is a god amoung other gods such as satan, but not THE God.Quote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,22:59) Dennison, Quote So your saying there are degrees of “Sonship”?
Yes, in terms of closeness to God.
1) Jesus is the closest Son, PreEminent Heir to God, the TRUE SON. Jesus is MAN in Spirit Form, the TRUE Son of God as ADAM was meant to be if he had not sinned.2) The other Human 'yet to be Begotten' Sons of God who will be like Christ – Brothers WITH Christ, and as Brothers with him, also Heirs of God (But not preEminent) – All who have the spirit of Holiness in them – awaiting the adoption (Waiting, like bridesmaids for the bridegroom to appear at the great Wedding ceremony (Do you understand that in Jewish culture in those times it was the bride who waited for the Groom – waited until even midnight and so she knew not when he was coming and had to watch with her bridesmaid for his coming and then make sure she was prepared for him!!!)
3) Sons of God as Humans in the Paradise Earth after the second resurrection and judgement.
4) The Angels are Son of God but not FREE Sons as Jesus and the other begotten human Sons are Free. 'For god did not make the world to come to be in subjection by Angels [Spirit Sons of God]'
All Sons of God in descending order of closeness to God.
Michael is said to be “ONE OF THE CHIEF Princes”
– who are the other Princes?
– How many other CHIEF Princes are there?
– Who is THE CHIEF PRINCE?
Clearly, if there are Chief Princes, there are subordinate Princes. subordinate others. And clearer than clear, there is ONE SUPREME Princes, unless God holds them equal. But then why say “ONE of the Chief Princes”?
Gabriel, 'Stands in the Presence of God'. So clearly, others do not, else why say it at all.Quote Question: Do you believe that Jesus created the world and angels and everything else?
Dennison, I believe that scriptures says that the World(s) and everything else were created “Through Jesus” not that Jesus CREATED the World(s) and everything else.Dennison, it is best to maintain the context and mode of the scriptures as slipping will lead to complete conjecture that will result in pointless arguments.
What does “Through” Jesus mean? God created the World9s) and Everything else. God tells us so himself many many many times “I, alone, am He who created the Heavens and the Earth”.
“Through” – By means of… “I lit the fire”…I 'LIT' the fire…
I lit the fire BY MEANS of this FIRELIGHTER…
The fire was started through the firelighter.I built this house? really, brick by brick? Well, not really, that Architect built it?
Really, that Architect with a pencil and paper, he built it?
No, no, but it was THROUGH HIM that the house was built…
Oh, so you mean HE DIDN'T BUILD the HOUSE?
No, but he got labourers to build it – each man specialising in a given aspect of house building – Yes, then, through HIM AND the labourers, I built my House.I commanded my house to be built by the uttering of my word.
My Architect administered them who were to carry out the actual work – adhering to every nuance of my command – carrying out my orders to the very “WORD”, PRECISELY as i ordered.So, yes, THROUGH HIM, the worlds were created and everything else, also.
“And the Stars sang together – and the Sons of God shouted with joy.”
IstariPersonal Comment: Ive read your other posts, and you have problems bro. From what i sense about you from the very beginning that you come as an angel of light but inside you are full of it.
You are emotionally disturbed and aggresive with anyone who disagrees with you.I have read WJ responses and he has in no way offended you, and only has reacted to your “out burst”.
Are you a child? is this Christ like?
Please if you are going to continue to give outbursts such as these, than we should all just ignore you, as we ignore a crying child.I hope you can understand this with Maturity and not offensively. Though im pretty sure that you will insult me about my comment.
How old are you?
Quote Yes, in terms of closeness to God.
Thats a doctrinal belief and nothing to do with scriptual facts.
You cant compare Angels and Human beings.
And really “sonship” was never a doctrinal teaching within the bible.Why debuke trinity, when your doing the same thing.
Man-made doctrine.Quote Dennison, I believe that scriptures says that the World(s) and everything else were created “Through Jesus” not that Jesus CREATED the World(s) and everything else.
You Cant Deny that Jesus Created, and that he Sustains all life. Hebrews 1 also clearly gives a indication that “The Son” created with his own hands. So Jesus is the Creator, of the worlds.Yet also God takes the same role as Creator as you said.
Who says that God is only the Architect?
To say that God just stood back and watch the world be created is a conjecture, that would have to be proven.Quote (Istari @ Jan. 04 2011,03:13) No Terraricca, WorshippingJesus is just doing this because he knows he cannot answer the question. This is his way of trying to get away from answering.
It has nothing to do with anything I said to him.
read the threads from the beginning – I never said anything out of turn to him but he felt threatened and used the only weapon he has in his arsenal – like a woman, lift up and tear his skirt, shriek and cry out that he is being attacked!!!
You need Help.
Its either you cant read english, or something is terriblly wrong with you?Do you need someone to talk to? are you ok at home?
what is going on in your life that is causing you to be so aggressive and ilogical.Im worried about you.
Seriously
(Please report Me, if you feel the need to
Im hoping you will)Antrins: are claiming that Jesus is a god amoung other gods such as satan, but not THE God.
lol
here's one or two or three, depends on your view.
triads, think jesus is god, having spirit underneath him as a demi god. the son oust his father from the kingdom, because he was of no use anymore, due to jesus is his father, who came down from heaven, wonder who was in charge when he left, all those thought provoking moments are taken away when you come to realize jesus was talking/answering himself all that time.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 04 2011,03:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2011,20:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2011,07:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,19:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 01 2011,08:36) Is THE FATHER the Only One True Powerful Ruler mentioned in scripture? Yes or No, Keith. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 01 2011,08:36) Mike The answer is Yes!
Keith, if the answer is YES, then what's left to discuss? If the FATHER is the One, then Jesus is NOT that One……………UNLESS…………….Jesus IS the Father.Is he Keith?
No Mike , your assumption is based on a narrow view of God. The scriptures teach that The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are God. The problem you have is you do not reconcile the scriptures in your theology. You have a contradiction. You say “There is Only One True God” but then you say “There are other “true gods” which is contrary to what the scriptures teach.
Hi Keith,Are you stuck now?
You mention “contradictions” of scripture? Scripture says, “yet for us there is but ONE God………THE FATHER”. That's it. That's what SCRIPTURE says, Keith.
Mike it is you that is stuck. The Apostles and Forefathers and the scriptures call Jesus God, yet there is “Only One True God”. So that means that either Jesus is “One” God with the Father or he is a “false god” or a usurper or an imposter.
Hi Keith,I see you are having fun with our “new” member.
Think, man, think! Anyway, on to your post:
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 04 2011,03:30) Mike it is you that is stuck. The Apostles and Forefathers and the scriptures call Jesus God, yet there is “Only One True God”. So that means that either Jesus is “One” God with the Father or he is a “false god” or a usurper or an imposter.
Well Keith, you can take “ONE TRUE GOD” as I do, which is “the one God who is truly the God of all other gods, and therefore the only real God at all”. Or, you can take it to mean that any other “gods” mentioned in the Bible are imposters…………even those who YHVH Himself called “gods”.But this is the kind of “diversion” I was talking about, Keith. No matter which way you choose to believe, one thing is ABUNDANTLY clear. And that is that this “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD” is THE FATHER. It is not the Son who is called the “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD”, is it? No, of course not. So if it is the FATHER, and NOT the Son who is SPECIFICALLY NAMED as this “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD”, then you have a choice to make. Is the Son a “usurper”, “imposter”, “false god”…………or is he a god/powerful ruler who just doesn't happen to be the “only God who is truly the God of all other gods”?
The choice is yours, but make no mistake: Scripture is VERY CLEAR that this “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD” is none other than THE FATHER…………not the Son.
I have much more to say about many things you've claimed today, but I'm sure they'll all come up eventually in my debate with Francis. And I'd rather address them there one on one, than here with all the diversions of KJ's cheerleading and our “new” member's rantings.
It's good to see your smiling face here again, Jack.
I hope things are well for you.peace and love to each and every one of you,
mike
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