MIKE, TERRA, ED

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ……….You are right Jesus was a Decedent of King David Just as scriptures say and even Jesus said also in revelations. These people do not want Jesus to be Like us  they are false teachers of a Preexistent Jesus they are nothing but mini Trinitarians who's goal is to move Jesus away from his Human Brothers and Sisters by their false doctrine they teach.

Jesus was and still is a 100% human being who had is existence Just as we did without exception. Did he not say “WHEN “THE SON OF MAN” (RETURNS) will he find Faith on the earth”.

Because God supplied “part” of  the DNA in Mary  so Jesus would look a certain way to match the scriptures describing his appearance, does not do away with him being a pure human being exactly as we are. Adam and Eves DNA were made by God and Adam is called a Son of God  just as Jesus is.

I tell you these people do not want Jesus to be identified as a MAN They preach a Doctrine that “SEPARATES” Jesus' “EXACT IDENITY” from us. They believe God just disguised him as a human being but he really was not one. They believe he was morphed into a man from another state of existences. Just read what they say and it is Obvious they do not except Jesus as a pure Human Being at all. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2012,21:45)

EDJ……….You are right Jesus was a Decedent of King David Just as scriptures say and even Jesus said also in revelations. These people do not want Jesus to be Like us  they are false teachers of a Preexistent Jesus they are nothing but mini Trinitarians who's goal is to move Jesus away from his Human Brothers and Sisters by their false doctrine they teach. Jesus was and still is a 100% human being who had is existence Just as we did without exception. Did he not say “WHEN “THE SON OF MAN” (RETURNS) will he find Faith on the earth”. Because God supplied “part” of  the DNA in Mary  so Jesus would look a certain way to match the scriptures describing his appearance, does not do away with him being a pure human being exactly as we are. Adam and Eves DNA were made by God and Adam is called a Son of God  just as Jesus is. I tell you these people do not want Jesus to be identified as a MAN They preach a Doctrine that “SEPARATES” Jesus' “EXACT IDENITY” from us. They believe God just disguised him as a human being but he really was not one. They believe he was morphed into a man from another state of existences. Just read what they say and it is Obvious they do not except Jesus as a pure Human Being at all. IMO peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………………………………..gene

g

you like to be elevated to the status of Christ right

but you never will be because you have lowered down the son of God to your level,

he never had a father like yours a man ,his father was God ,not man

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2012,21:26)

RO 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, IT SAYS “WHO(Christ) WAS BORN OF (MARY) A DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH '

Pierre,

I clearly understand the point you are making.  But Galatians 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman”.  And Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus “had to be made like his brothers in every way”.

I understand what you're saying about inheriting sinful flesh from Mary.  But Ed also makes a good point in that Jesus couldn't very well be of the seed of David if there was no human seed in him at all.

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus says he is the Root and the Offspring of David.  In what way was he David's offspring if there is nothing to link him with David?

Btw, the understanding you posted in the quote box above results from you reading things into the scripture.  The scripture says Jesus was born a descendant of David.  It doesn't say he was born of a woman who was a descendant of David – as you've implied.

This is a tough one for me.  I'll pray on it.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,00:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2012,21:26) RO 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, IT SAYS “WHO(Christ) WAS BORN OF (MARY) A DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ' Pierre, I clearly understand the point you are making.  But Galatians 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman”.  And Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus “had to be made like his brothers in every way”. I understand what you're saying about inheriting sinful flesh from Mary.  But Ed also makes a good point in that Jesus couldn't very well be of the seed of David if there was no human seed in him at all. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus says he is the Root and the Offspring of David.  In what way was he David's offspring if there is nothing to link him with David? Btw, the understanding you posted in the quote box above results from you reading things into the scripture.  The scripture says Jesus was born a descendant of David.  It doesn't say he was born of a woman who was a descendant of David – as you've implied. This is a tough one for me.  I'll pray on it.

mike

we have to separate what is of the spirit from what is of the flesh right

[terraricca]

Mike

we also have to understand what it means ;Heb 2:16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.
Heb 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

TO BE MADE RIGHT

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,14:11)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2012,17:17) what is it that scripture says it says that the son is BORN ;MEANS CAME OUT OF A WOMEN , and that that women was an descendante of KING DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH , Hi Pierre, I see your point.  You are saying that scripture teaches Jesus was BORN of Mary.  It does not SPECIFICALLY say he is of her genes. But it does not say he is NOT of her genes, either, right?  So what scriptures lead you to believe that Mary's genes are not a part of Jesus' makeup? Mike because there is no reasons for it ,sins Christ was a complete individual ,he ad already a soul ,and so did not need anything from men ,he was perfect in all means of the word ,blameless,without sins not even Mary sin from the flesh, he his the son of God the perfect lamd without blamish, if he would have the 23 chromozones from Mary he would have also taken part of her sinful nature that was transmitted though Adam and to all flesh ,she his a surrogate mother of the son of God ,

Not so,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,14:26)

eddy again read the scriptures Rom 1;3 open your eyes please RO 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, IT SAYS “WHO(Christ) WAS BORN OF (MARY) A DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH '

Hi Pierre,

Jesus would not be of the seed of David,
if Mary was only a surrogate Mother.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Mike

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In Revelation 22:16, Jesus says he is the Root and the Offspring of David. In what way was he David's offspring if there is nothing to link him with David?

Is it not the root of Jesse and the offspring of David , right

root of Jesse ;being before Jesse the father of David ,we know that Jesus his the son of God that came down from heaven right yes ;so he existed prior to Jesse.

the offsping of David ; 1) according to the flesh ;Mt 1:16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Lk 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

this is the record of Jesus seed through Joseph ,that did not was his father in any way flesh or spirit ,right

[terraricca]

mike

Galatians 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman”. And Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus “had to be made like his brothers in every way”.

well this was prophecied right that he ad to come from God into the flesh ,to become like his bothers “FLESH HIS THE NAME HERE “”” how he becomes to be in the flesh is of no importance ,

IN EVERY WAY ” this also refers to being in the flesh ;so that the experience in the flesh of Christ the only son of God can be shared with those that will become like him later ,

also that he could show them just as equal to them the way to salvation for them and for those that will come after them responding to their message,

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2012,03:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,14:26) eddy again read the scriptures Rom 1;3 open your eyes please RO 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, IT SAYS “WHO(Christ) WAS BORN OF (MARY) A DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ' Hi Pierre, Jesus would not be of the seed of David, if Mary was only a surrogate Mother. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDj

look at the story of Boaz and Ruth

[Marlin1]

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Jesus was and still is a 100% human being who had is existence Just as we did without exception. Did he not say “WHEN “THE SON OF MAN” (RETURNS) will he find Faith on the earth”. Because God supplied “part” of  the DNA in Mary  so Jesus would look a certain way to match the scriptures describing his appearance, does not do away with him being a pure human being exactly as we are. Adam and Eves DNA were made by God and Adam is called a Son of God  just as Jesus is. I tell you these people do not want Jesus to be identified as a MAN They preach a Doctrine that “SEPARATES” Jesus' “EXACT IDENITY” from us. They believe God just disguised him as a human being but he really was not one. They believe he was morphed into a man from another state of existences. Just read what they say and it is Obvious they do not except Jesus as a pure Human Being at all. IMO

Brother Gene,

I never said that Jesus wasn't 100% human.  Was Adam 100% human? YES and so was Jesus.

I said He didn't come in sinful FLESH and He didn't.
He had none of Mary or Joseph in Him.  He was in the linage of David, because He was born to Joseph and Mary.

Jesus also said, that if you believe not that I am HE (GOD), then you are still in your sins.
John 8:24

He was 100% MAN and 100% GOD.  He was the GOD MAN.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:55)

Jesus also said, that if you believe not that I am HE (GOD), then you are still in your sins. John 8:24

And where do you get the word (GOD) from Jesus' words in John 8:24?

Marlin, I started this thread over a year ago to find out the answer to John 8:24.  Just read the first post, and then maybe you can be the one to show me the scripture I ask for at the end of that post.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,15:19)

EDj look at the story of Boaz and Ruth

Hi Pierre,

I prayed about it, and believe that God is leading me to the answer.  It's funny that you also mention Ruth, for that is part of the answer also.

Did you ever wonder how the anointed Savior of Israel could come from a MOABITE woman – when the Israelites were forbidden from intermarrying with Moabites?

Consider this:
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man………….

Notice that sin did not enter the world through a man and a woman – but through the man only.

Is it possible, since Adam was the head of Eve, and the one ultimately held responsible for the eating of the fruit, that our sinful nature passes through ONLY the man?

Could this be the reason that Jesus' “royal lineage” wasn't affected by the fact that the seed passed through the Moabite woman Ruth?

I'm just spit-balling this idea to see if anyone out there knows of any scriptures that work against it, or if they have any thoughts about it.

If we gain our sinful nature ONLY through our FATHERS, then it would explain how Jesus could be the legitimate son of Mary without inheriting mankind's sinful nature.

Any thoughts?

[Marlin1]

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If we gain our sinful nature ONLY through our FATHERS,  then it would explain how Jesus could be the legitimate son of Mary without inheriting mankind's sinful nature. Any thoughts?

Brother Mike,

God made man perfect and with respect Eze 18:20,  WHY DO WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,05:19)

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:55) Jesus also said, that if you believe not that I am HE (GOD), then you are still in your sins. John 8:24 And where do you get the word (GOD) from Jesus' words in John 8:24? Marlin, I started this thread over a year ago to find out the answer to John 8:24.  Just read the first post, and then maybe you can be the one to show me the scripture I ask for at the end of that post.

Mike

if we think God his Christ then we have not known his father or him ,and so can not benefit from either of them ,

because we have to have it right ;God his the almighty, and Christ his the son that the almighty send down so we can be saved by believing that this his the way to the father ,

if you got this wrong what is it that you believe in ?is the truth or a lie my guess it is a lie unless you have it right

[mikeboll64]

Hi Marlin,

I don't understand your query. Did you have a comment about what I wrote?

[Marlin1]

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And where do you get the word (GOD) from Jesus' words in John 8:24? Marlin, I started this thread over a year ago to find out the answer to John 8:24.  Just read the first post, and then maybe you can be the one to show me the scripture I ask for at the end of that post.

Brother Mike,
I doubt this is what you wanted to hear, but here it is.

John 8:25…  Jesus meant exactly, that He was God in Flesh.

He was the fulness of the Godhead bodily

It is the Father IN me that does the Work.

I do nothing of myself, I only do what the Father is doing.

If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.

John 8:25  If you don't believe that God is manifested in Me, you will die in your sins.  (God in Flesh)

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,18:12)

God his the almighty, and Christ his the son that the almighty send down so we can be saved by believing that this his the way to the father ,

You are correct, my friend.

Jesus is not the God we ultimately hope to arrive at………… he is the MEDIATOR we go THROUGH to get to that God.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,05:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,15:19) EDj look at the story of Boaz and Ruth Hi Pierre, I prayed about it, and believe that God is leading me to the answer.  It's funny that you also mention Ruth, for that is part of the answer also. Did you ever wonder how the anointed Savior of Israel could come from a MOABITE woman – when the Israelites were forbidden from intermarrying with Moabites? Consider this: Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man…………. Notice that sin did not enter the world through a man and a woman – but through the man only. Is it possible, since Adam was the head of Eve, and the one ultimately held responsible for the eating of the fruit, that our sinful nature passes through ONLY the man? Could this be the reason that Jesus' “royal lineage” wasn't affected by the fact that the seed passed through the Moabite woman Ruth? I'm just spit-balling this idea to see if anyone out there knows of any scriptures that work against it, or if they have any thoughts about it. If we gain our sinful nature ONLY through our FATHERS,  then it would explain how Jesus could be the legitimate son of Mary without inheriting mankind's sinful nature. Any thoughts?

Mike

this is also what I believe ,just as the Devil his the father of evil,

we do not see women in the line of generation ,

and man are the most responsible for what they do to all others woman and children ,elderly man ,

what you think this mean
Lk 1:46 And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
Lk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Lk 1:48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.

Gal 4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Ro 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it.
Ro 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Ro 15:14 I myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another.

[Marlin1]

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Hi Marlin, I don't understand your query.  Did you have a comment about what I wrote?

Brother Mike,

I will try to reword.  My comment is.

God made us perfect and

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20)

Then Why do we have a sinful nature?  Why is the Flesh sinful? (if we do not bear our father sin.)

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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