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Brother Mike,
Quote I believe Ezekiel is speaking way in the future. After the end of sin. Okay. And why do you suppose that “way in the future”, Jehovah will be “their God”, while Jesus is “my servant David” and “Prince among them”?
I believe that after the end of SIN, that the Logos (Word) (Jesus) will be a man again (the Son of God) and will have turn all things back to God His Father.
Quote 1. You quoted John 5:43, in which Jesus says he came in the name of his Father. How does that help YOUR point that Jesus is the God whose name he came in? 
It stands to reason that if Jesus came in a name other than his own name, then the one whose name he came in is not only a DIFFERENT being with a DIFFERENT name, but that He is also a being who is GREATER – because no one comes in the name of a lesser one.2. I notice that you ALWAYS quote the KJV version of scripture. So why didn't you quote the KJV's rendering of John 17:11, Marlin?
Even with the NIV translation you quoted, there is One who already HAD that name, and one to whom that name was GIVEN. So once again, the scriptures you used don't prove your point, and actually go a long way in proving mine (as usual).
No brother, His name is the same, because He is the same GOD (SPIRIT).
Remember the LOGOS, the logos is GODS THOUGHTS EXPRESSED, which is the WORD, which is JESUS. The selfsame SPIRIT.Name one god.
ANYTHING or PERSON or OBJECT we make a god out of, is still subject to GOD. And I will also add that by praying in the Name of Jesus Christ with an understanding of Him being a god other then GOD, BREAKS the FIRST COMMANDMENT. For it is giving worship to someone other then GOD HIMSELF.God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 22 2012,21:43) Quote I thought you would have understood from those scriptures,but I guess I was wrong, Look at John 17:1-5
it seems to me you are not acquainted with the scriptures, I hope this will help you ,
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PierreBrother Pierre,
You are adding to these scriptures to fit what you want them to say.
Remember the question? None of your answers address the question.In John 17 v2 it says that Jesus gives eternal life. Who? (JESUS) gives eternal life.
John 21:16 Jesus said Sheppard MY sheep…….. Who's? (JESUS) Sheep.
My brother, you seem to be using a private interpretation. We should not add to or take from.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
m1first you have to understand that all things belong to God ,and so God can give it to anyone he choses right
yes,,Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
what else did God give to Christ his only son;
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,now the twelve 11 plus Paul are the only personal chosen by Christ as his disciples ,ALL OTHERS ARE THE FRUITS OF THEM ,EITHER DIRECTLY OR BY MESSAGE (SCRIPTURES N.T)
SO WE THAT FOLLOW CHRIST ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST AND SO BE THEIR FRUITS ,WHILE THE APOSTLES ARE THE DIRECT FRUITS OF CHRIST GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS FATHER ,BUT ALL BELONG TO CHRIST JUST AS ALL THE FRUITS ON A TREE BELONG TO THE TREE,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
m1
Quote In John 17 v2 it says that Jesus gives eternal life. Who? (JESUS) gives eternal life. God as made it possible for us to be saved from our sins ,and this he did through his son Christ ;if you disagree with him this you have to solve with God not with anyone else,
but that his what scriptures are saying ;Christ his the lamb,the way, the door, the king,the Lord ,all because his father loves him .and yes it is through him that we will obtain everlasting live,
Quote now the twelve 11 plus Paul are the only personal chosen by Christ as his disciples ,ALL OTHERS ARE THE FRUITS OF THEM ,EITHER DIRECTLY OR BY MESSAGE (SCRIPTURES N.T)
SO WE THAT FOLLOW CHRIST ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST AND SO BE THEIR FRUITS ,WHILE THE APOSTLES ARE THE DIRECT FRUITS OF CHRIST GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS FATHER ,BUT ALL BELONG TO CHRIST JUST AS ALL THE FRUITS ON A TREE BELONG TO THE TREE,My Dear Brother Pierre, this is FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE
Paul never walked with Jesus, yet you add him in. It is because Paul received the Holy Ghost. Just like is REQUIRED and available today.
Scripture says that the Holy Ghost will lead us into all TRUTH, NOT MEN as you suppose.
I can show you where the Spirit and Power was Given.
You show me where GOD removed it from HIS CHURCH?
God Bless
bro. Marlinm1
Quote My Dear Brother Pierre, this is FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE Paul never walked with Jesus, yet you add him in. It is because Paul received the Holy Ghost. Just like is REQUIRED and available today.
what would you call yourself wen you read this scriptures;
Ac 9:5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.
Ac 9:6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”1CO 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?
1CO 9:2 If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
1CO 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.I have told you the truth .
Quote what would you call yourself wen you read this scriptures; Ac 9:5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.
Ac 9:6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”1CO 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?
1CO 9:2 If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
1CO 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.I have told you the truth .
Brother Pierre,
Truth according you YOU!!!!
What exactly did Paul see?
Not a man, a Blinding Light, the Pillar of Fire, the Holy Ghost manifested.The SAME HOLY GHOST that is required and available TODAY.
Without it, you are not His.
With it, the signs will follow.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 24 2012,04:55) Quote what would you call yourself wen you read this scriptures; Ac 9:5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.
Ac 9:6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”1CO 9:1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?
1CO 9:2 If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
1CO 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.I have told you the truth .
Brother Pierre,
Truth according you YOU!!!!
What exactly did Paul see?
Not a man, a Blinding Light, the Pillar of Fire, the Holy Ghost manifested.The SAME HOLY GHOST that is required and available TODAY.
Without it, you are not His.
With it, the signs will follow.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
M1ARE YOU PAUL ,??? YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR RELIGION I DO NOT FORCE YOU TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES I SHOWED YOU ,
BUT YOU LIKE TO DOWN PLAY OTHERS FOR YOUR OWN GAIN ,
YOU MUST NOT BE A MAN YET ,
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 24 2012,04:00) Quote now the twelve 11 plus Paul are the only personal chosen by Christ as his disciples ,ALL OTHERS ARE THE FRUITS OF THEM ,EITHER DIRECTLY OR BY MESSAGE (SCRIPTURES N.T)
SO WE THAT FOLLOW CHRIST ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST AND SO BE THEIR FRUITS ,WHILE THE APOSTLES ARE THE DIRECT FRUITS OF CHRIST GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS FATHER ,BUT ALL BELONG TO CHRIST JUST AS ALL THE FRUITS ON A TREE BELONG TO THE TREE,My Dear Brother Pierre, this is FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE
Paul never walked with Jesus, yet you add him in. It is because Paul received the Holy Ghost. Just like is REQUIRED and available today.
Scripture says that the Holy Ghost will lead us into all TRUTH, NOT MEN as you suppose.
I can show you where the Spirit and Power was Given.
You show me where GOD removed it from HIS CHURCH?
God Bless
bro. Marlin
M1YOU ARE A KID GO AND PLAY IN THE YARD WITH YOUR MARBLES
Quote My Dear Brother Pierre, this is FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE Paul never walked with Jesus, yet you add him in. It is because Paul received the Holy Ghost. Just like is REQUIRED and available today.
Scripture says that the Holy Ghost will lead us into all TRUTH, NOT MEN as you suppose.
I can show you where the Spirit and Power was Given.
You show me where GOD removed it from HIS CHURCH?
God Bless
bro. MarlinM1
YOU ARE A KID GO AND PLAY IN THE YARD WITH YOUR MARBLES
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PierreBrother Pierre,
So that is what YOU CLAIM the Spirit of God does in you, when you can not produce the SCRIPTURE, you throw insults.
Unless you become as a little child, you will never receive the kingdom of God.
You are the one that claims that the Power (signs and wonders) of the Holy Ghost is GONE.
I claim that is NOT TRUE and ask you to produce a SCRIPTURE to prove it.Where is the SCRIPTURE you claim to have?
There is ETERNAL LIFE, but it is not in man made dogmas.MAT 11:6 † And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 24 2012,22:02) Quote My Dear Brother Pierre, this is FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE Paul never walked with Jesus, yet you add him in. It is because Paul received the Holy Ghost. Just like is REQUIRED and available today.
Scripture says that the Holy Ghost will lead us into all TRUTH, NOT MEN as you suppose.
I can show you where the Spirit and Power was Given.
You show me where GOD removed it from HIS CHURCH?
God Bless
bro. MarlinM1
YOU ARE A KID GO AND PLAY IN THE YARD WITH YOUR MARBLES
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PierreBrother Pierre,
So that is what YOU CLAIM the Spirit of God does in you, when you can not produce the SCRIPTURE, you throw insults.
Unless you become as a little child, you will never receive the kingdom of God.
You are the one that claims that the Power (signs and wonders) of the Holy Ghost is GONE.
I claim that is NOT TRUE and ask you to produce a SCRIPTURE to prove it.Where is the SCRIPTURE you claim to have?
There is ETERNAL LIFE, but it is not in man made dogmas.MAT 11:6 † And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote MAT 11:6 † And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. God Bless
bro. MarlinSO NOW YOU THINK YOU ARE CHRIST ,were is your illusion stops
?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 23 2012,14:53) Brother Mike, We agree that the Word is Jesus Christ, right?
bro. Marlin
Absolutely. Jesus is called “The Word of God” as one of his many titles, because he is the main spokesman for our God and his God.Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 23 2012,15:11) I believe that after the end of SIN, that the Logos (Word) (Jesus) will be a man again (the Son of God) and will have turn all things back to God His Father.
So one who WAS God Almighty will become someone who is NO LONGER God Almighty?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 23 2012,15:11) No brother, His name is the same, because He is the same GOD (SPIRIT).
So why does your NIV translation say that this name was GIVEN to Jesus? If a name was GIVEN to someone, it is clear that this wasn't always their name.Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 23 2012,15:11) Name one god.
ANYTHING or PERSON or OBJECT we make a god out of, is still subject to GOD.
So if I make a wooden idol and call it my god, then Jehovah is the God OF my wooden idol?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 22 2012,15:23) You are correct that Adam was created These do not apply to the first Adam.
COL 2:9 † For in him dweller all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.COL 1:14 † In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 † Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 † For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 † And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.JESUS, therefore, is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the unseen God, God creating a FLESH-BODY of His own.
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Marlin………..Brother the first point……..I am correct brother because the Bible says Adam was a Son of GOD, and more it also say we are sons of God also, if we have the Spirit of Christ (anointing Christos ) in us just like Jesus does.Second point………Image is not the same as the real thing an airplane is call a bird becasue it flies but it is not the real thing. Jesus expressed the nature of God who was “in” Him we should be doing this also. But none of that makes us or Jesus A GOD of anykind. Jesus plainly said he could do “nothing” of himself. and it was the “FATHER that was “IN” him doing the Works. That means Jesus was not the God that was “IN” HIM right? Making Jesus that God that was in him is the exact Point of what Paul was talking about in 2 Ths2 , this false idea produces a false “image” of Jesus and that “false” image of Jesus is what turns the image we have of Jesus into what is called “Man of Sin” Spoken of by Brother Paul. Your confusing the word Image with the real thing. An image is something that is Produce or made to appear like something else but is never the reral thing or it simply would not be an “IMAGE' .
God the FAther was “IN” Jesus , Jesus was a SON and was Never the Father who is the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, that was and is “IN” him (Jesus). What you are doing is making them one and the same and anyone know a Son is not a Father that would be a counterdiction of terms.
What we need to do is to not post all kinds of different scriptures that can be taken differently but slow down and go one step at a time brother.I will start with the word “IN” as pertaning to God being “IN” Jesus and i asK you how is that, if Jesus himself is that GOd that was and is “IN” Him ?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote Second point………Image is not the same as the real thing an airplane is call a bird becasue it flies but it is not the real thing. Jesus expressed the nature of God who was “in” Him we should be doing this also. But none of that makes us or Jesus A GOD of anykind. Jesus plainly said he could do “nothing” of himself. and it was the “FATHER that was “IN” him doing the Works. That means Jesus was not the God that was “IN” HIM right? Making Jesus that God that was in him is the exact Point of what Paul was talking about in 2 Ths2 , this false idea produces a false “image” of Jesus and that “false” image of Jesus is what turns the image we have of Jesus into what is called “Man of Sin” Spoken of by Brother Paul. Your confusing the word Image with the real thing. An image is something that is Produce or made to appear like something else but is never the reral thing or it simply would not be an “IMAGE' . God the FAther was “IN” Jesus , Jesus was a SON and was Never the Father who is the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, that was and is “IN” him (Jesus). What you are doing is making them one and the same and anyone know a Son is not a Father that would be a counterdiction of terms.
What we need to do is to not post all kinds of different scriptures that can be taken differently but slow down and go one step at a time brother.I will start with the word “IN” as pertaning to God being “IN” Jesus and i asK you how is that, if Jesus himself is that GOd that was and is “IN” Him ?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Brother Gene,
Your point is well taken that an image is not the same as the original. And that makes total sense, Flesh can not be God the SPIRIT, flesh will always be in subjection to Spirit. That in no way changes the FACT that JESUS was GOD in FLESH. Jesus was GOD in His Son-ship roll.
GOD the SPIRIT could NOT DIE, but God in His Son-ship roll as the Son of God could die. And fulfill His own law.
Now here is where it gets a little sticky. Jesus was born 2000 years ago as THE SON of GOD, when He took on flesh.
Yet before there was anything created there was Jesus.
Yet everything there is, was CREATED BY HIM and FOR HIM. HE was before ALL THINGS.NOW WHAT? Now you have made him into a little god.
The answer is simple,
GOD in the beginning SPOKE and the LOGOS came forth, which is the WORD, which is JESUS.Define LOGOS – a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
The voice of God went forth and the LOGOS was conceived.
The Logos is the WORD and that WORD is Jesus the Son of God.
Just as John 1 says, The Word is GOD and became flesh.This IMAGE spoken of is GOD.
Not another god, but the very GOD of the universe projecting Himself (HIS IMAGE) forth as LOGOS (WORD)(Jesus).God Bless
bro. MarlinBrother Mike,
Quote So why does your NIV translation say that this name was GIVEN to Jesus? If a name was GIVEN to someone, it is clear that this wasn't always their name. Brother, you surprise me, you seem to think that Jesus the flesh man had a name before He was born.
God in His Son-ship role as the Son of God was Jesus and HE became FLESH.Quote So if I make a wooden idol and call it my god, then Jehovah is the God OF my wooden idol?
Your wooden idol means nothing to God, just as anything that you make into a god means nothing to HIM. No matter what kind of god you make, it still would be in subjection to GOD, He could manipulate or destroy it at WILL. For He is the only TRUE God.God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 26 2012,14:39) Brother Gene, Your point is well taken that an image is not the same as the original. And that makes total sense, Flesh can not be God the SPIRIT, flesh will always be in subjection to Spirit. That in no way changes the FACT that JESUS was GOD in FLESH. Jesus was GOD in His Son-ship roll.
GOD the SPIRIT could NOT DIE, but God in His Son-ship roll as the Son of God could die. And fulfill His own law.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Hi Marlin,“If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.” (John 5:31)
Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true” (John 8:14)Would you say that Luke 10:30 could be understood to be Jesus saying a parable about himself dying on the cross?
Luke 10:30: And Jesus answering said, A certain man(Jesus of Nazareth) went down from Jerusalem
to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment (John 19:24),
and wounded him, and departed, leaving him HALF DEAD.In math you can't have 200%? (Matthew 1:18 / Matthew 1:20 / Luke 1:35) (Luke 10:30-37)
Jesus lineage explained
“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)At birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…
Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
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Jesus
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Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 25 2012,22:11) Brother, you surprise me, you seem to think that Jesus the flesh man had a name before He was born.
God in His Son-ship role as the Son of God was Jesus and HE became FLESH.
It seems to be a popular assumption that Jesus wasn't named Jesus until he was born of Mary. There are, however, no scriptures to support such an assumption. If God wanted to have the archangel Michael re-born as a human, and told the human parents to name him Michael, it would not mean that Michael wasn't already his name before being re-born as a human, right? So why would it mean such in the case of Jesus?I personally believe that Jesus, the Son of God who emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being, was already named Jesus before this happened. I have no scriptural reason to think otherwise.
As for the second sentence in the quote box above, I have no idea what you're talking about. God never became flesh. In fact, there are at least two different scriptures declaring that God is not a man. And there are zero scriptures that say anything about our Almighty God becoming flesh.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 25 2012,22:11) No matter what kind of god you make, it still would be in subjection to GOD, He could manipulate or destroy it at WILL. For He is the only TRUE God.
So then it IS your understanding that the gods Jehovah is the God of are wooden and stone idols? You truly think that when Jehovah is called the God of gods, it means He is the God of wooden idols? Hmmmmmm…………………Psalm 82:1
God stands in the assembly of gods, in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.And who are the gods mentioned above? Are they wooden idols?
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 23 2012 @ 15:11)
I believe that after the end of SIN, that the Logos (Word) (Jesus) will be a man again (the Son of God) and will have turn all things back to God His Father.Do you believe that someone who WAS God Almighty will become someone who is NO LONGER God Almighty? Yes or No?
Quote Hi Marlin, “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.” (John 5:31)
Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true” (John 8:14)Would you say that Luke 10:30 could be understood to be Jesus saying a parable about himself dying on the cross?
Luke 10:30: And Jesus answering said, A certain man(Jesus of Nazareth) went down from Jerusalem
to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment (John 19:24),
and wounded him, and departed, leaving him HALF DEAD.Hi Brother Ed,
This story was not about Jesus, it was about who would help a wounded man.
That being said, I can see what you are trying to show.
Jesus being God in His Son-ship, the SPIRIT had to LEAVE for the FLESH to DIE.It is NOT TRUE that Jesus was born with a SINFUL NATURE as you think. The only part that Mary had to do with it is that she was a surrogate mother (Both Egg & Blood provided by God). And that She and Joseph raised Him as there own.
God Bless
bro. MarlinBrother Mike,
I see you are still into worshiping your two Gods.
I know you don't like me to say that, but I showed many scriptures where Jesus accepted worship. You can deny it all you want, but that does not change the fact that is what you are doing.When you pray to anything or person, you are worshiping that thing or person.
Your doctrine is flawed and any scripture that someone shows you, you find some DD, LLD or such to prove the scripture is WRONG according to THEM.
Lord Bless you in your search
bro. Marlin
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