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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,08:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:55) Hi T,
Did you not know God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself??[2cor5]
Hi Nick,“he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9)
Thomas said: “My Lord AND my God.” (John 20:28)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Yes Ed,Thomas said those words to Jesus, yet you act dumbfounded to learn that Jesus is a god.
You say the Bible doesn't teach it.
Hi Mike,Thomas did see “God” in him just as Jesus said to Philip;
why does this truth totally escape your understanding, Mike?“God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim 3:16)
“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)
This is what John 1:14 means; but I know this escapes YOU.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,15:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,08:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:55) Hi T,
Did you not know God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself??[2cor5]
Hi Nick,“he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9)
Thomas said: “My Lord AND my God.” (John 20:28)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Yes Ed,Thomas said those words to Jesus, yet you act dumbfounded to learn that Jesus is a god.
You say the Bible doesn't teach it.
Hi Mike,Thomas did see “God” in him just as Jesus said to Philip;
why does this truth totally escape your understanding, Mike?“God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim 3:16)
“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)
This is what John 1:14 means; but I know this escapes YOU.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi MB
5 Thomas *said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”Thomas understood but you are lost in confusion?
To All………All who have eyes to see should be able to see that God the Father was indeed truly (IN) Jesus By the Anointing given Him at the Jordan River. God came into Flesh in the Anointed Jesus and Dwelt among Us and spoke to us first Person some times, “O Jerusalem Jerusalem, you who Kill the prophets and stone them sent unto you, How often would I have gathered you as a Hen her chick under her wings, But you would not. Your house is left unto you desolate, You shall not see me (GOD) again until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD”> That was not Jesus who said that, it was God the Father who was (IN) Him speaking “First Person” through Jesus' Mouth . And again Destroy this temple and in three day I (GOD) shall raise (IT) UP. and again say Thomas, my Lord (AND) my GOD.
God the Father was truly present (IN) Jesus Our Lord. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,22:28) Hi T,
PURE HEARTS are useless unless filled with the Spirit.
We are vessels.
2 tim 2
N1TH 2:4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,22:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,08:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:55) Hi T,
Did you not know God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself??[2cor5]
Hi Nick,“he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9)
Thomas said: “My Lord AND my God.” (John 20:28)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
Yes Ed,Thomas said those words to Jesus, yet you act dumbfounded to learn that Jesus is a god.
You say the Bible doesn't teach it.
Hi Mike,Thomas did see “God” in him just as Jesus said to Philip;
why does this truth totally escape your understanding, Mike?“God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim 3:16)
“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)
This is what John 1:14 means; but I know this escapes YOU.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,No man can see God and live. You are understanding it wrong – mostly because you don't want Jesus to be a god – despite what the scriptures actually teach.
(Btw, 1 Tim 3:16 says “HE was manifest in the flesh”, and it refers to Jesus, not God. It is yet another scripture that makes it clear that Jesus existed before he was made flesh and manifested for mankind to see.)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,22:31) 7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
That's right, Nick. The Father is someone OTHER THAN Jesus. The Father remained in heaven the whole time Jesus was on earth.But, metaphorically speaking, since Jesus taught exactly what the Father taught him to teach, Jesus could say, If you know me, you ALSO know the Father.
Likewise, metaphorically speaking, Jesus could tell Philip, If you've seen me, you've ALSO seen the Father.
Neither of these mean that the Father was physically living inside the flesh body of Jesus. Nor do they mean that humans could literally see what the Father looks like be seeing Him inside of Jesus.
Unfortunately, these two things that those scriptures don't mean are exactly what Gene and Ed must claim because they can't accept that Thomas called Jesus his god. They imagine that Thomas was looking at Jesus, and seeing him called him “my Lord”. But then Thomas looked a little closer, and literally and visually SAW the Father Himself “hiding” inside of Jesus and said, Oh, and there's also my God! Odd stuff if you ask me.
Hi MB,
No need for metaphorics. Such weak 'sciences are from the addled minds of daft men and are not of God's teachings
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself[2Cor5] and those with spiritual eyes could SEE this was true.
God was and is living in Jesus and in all chosen and purified vessels by His Holy Spirit-the finger of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:30) Hi MB,
No need for metaphorics. Such weak 'sciences are from the addled minds of daft men and are not of God's teachings
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself[2Cor5] and those with spiritual eyes could SEE this was true.
God was and is living in Jesus and in all chosen and purified vessels by His Holy Spirit-the finger of God.
Hi Nick,It takes time for people to realize this.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2012,13:59) They imagine that Thomas was looking at Jesus, and seeing him called him “my Lord”. But then Thomas looked a little closer, and literally and visually SAW the Father Himself “hiding” inside of Jesus and said, Oh, and there's also my God! Odd stuff if you ask me.
Hi Mike,Psalms 91:1-2 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD,
He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2012,13:59) Neither of these mean that the Father was physically living inside the flesh body of Jesus. Nor do they mean that humans could literally see what the Father looks like be seeing Him inside of Jesus.
Mike…….So when Jesus said this thou are the “ONLY” true GOD What p[art of ONLY you can't understand? And when Paul said unto US there is “ONLY” one GOD , what part of that you can't understand. Seem to me you are the one who lacks true understanding, You not even able to realize it appears the if Thomas were Speaking of Jesus as a GOD, he would have said MY LORD GOD and NOT included the word “AND” there at all.Not to even mention that number of times when Jesus plainly said clearly GOD the FATHER “WAS” (IN) HIM.
Mike you are the one who does not believe Jesus nor what he says, but have to modify his words to fit you false assumptions as all Preexistences and Trinitarians and JW's Have to. IMO
Just start to “truly believe” what Jesus Said MIKE and quite adding your personal Metaphors into the mix .
Also by your above statement you must think GOD is Physical who ever told you that He was Physically (IN) Jesus? I sure never have Because i know GOD is a SPIRIT and can Living in (ALL) creation at the same time. It appears you have no idea what GOD really Is , He is Not a Physical Being , But a Spirit. Just as Jesus said and if you understood what a Spiirt is then you could easily see what Jesus was saying, THE Father was (truly) (IN) HIM.
peace and love………………………………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,23:30) Hi MB,
No need for metaphorics. Such weak 'sciences are from the addled minds of daft men and are not of God's teachings
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself[2Cor5] and those with spiritual eyes could SEE this was true.
God was and is living in Jesus and in all chosen and purified vessels by His Holy Spirit-the finger of God.
Really Nick? Okay, it seems quite obvious to all of us here that you consider yourself to have “spiritual eyes”.Can you look into the mirror and see God within yourself? What does He look like? How do you know it is even God you are seeing, since their are no pictures to compare?
And how do you even attempt to lecture me about using metaphors?
Aren't you the one saying that “firstborn of all creation” is a metaphorical use of that phrase?Or perhaps you think Paul LITERALLY begot Onesimus in prison? Metaphors are used all throughout scripture. God and Jesus used them all the time. Perhaps you think God practices “weak sciences from the addled minds of daft men”?
You really need to start thinking before you post. It's no wonder your understanding of scripture has become so muddled. You won't use your God-given human logic and wisdom. You apparently don't understand the usage of metaphors in the scriptures. You seem to think that the written word of God is useless if the spirit that guides you tells you something contrary to it.
Nick, are you unaware that Satan masquerades as a spirit of light and, if possible, will turn away even the elect?
What do we as humans have to test the spirits against, if not God's written word? And how do we test those spirits against God's written word if not through the use of our own God-given logic and human wisdom?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 04 2012,12:13) Mike…….So when Jesus said this thou are the “ONLY” true GOD What p[art of ONLY you can't understand? And when Paul said unto US there is “ONLY” one GOD , what part of that you can't understand.
Gene,When God said He was the ONLY Savior, but then sent many OTHER saviors, how do you understand it?
Whatever your answer is, apply it also to God saying there are no gods apart from Him, okay?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 04 2012,12:13) Not to even mention that number of times when Jesus plainly said clearly GOD the FATHER “WAS” (IN) HIM.
Again Gene, you must learn to understand the language. Did Jesus often speak of our Father, WHO IS IN HEAVEN? Yet you think Jesus lied because the Father was really inside him on earth?Learn what it means to have the Father and His Son dwelling within you, Gene. Do I need to post the Peter Frampton “I'm in You” song again?
Gene, when Thomas saw God inside of Jesus, why didn't he die? God said that no man could see Him and live, right? Why did that not apply to Thomas?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2012,09:30) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,23:30) Hi MB,
No need for metaphorics. Such weak 'sciences are from the addled minds of daft men and are not of God's teachings
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself[2Cor5] and those with spiritual eyes could SEE this was true.
God was and is living in Jesus and in all chosen and purified vessels by His Holy Spirit-the finger of God.
Really Nick? Okay, it seems quite obvious to all of us here that you consider yourself to have “spiritual eyes”.Can you look into the mirror and see God within yourself? What does He look like? How do you know it is even God you are seeing, since their are no pictures to compare?
And how do you even attempt to lecture me about using metaphors?
Aren't you the one saying that “firstborn of all creation” is a metaphorical use of that phrase?Or perhaps you think Paul LITERALLY begot Onesimus in prison? Metaphors are used all throughout scripture. God and Jesus used them all the time. Perhaps you think God practices “weak sciences from the addled minds of daft men”?
You really need to start thinking before you post. It's no wonder your understanding of scripture has become so muddled. You won't use your God-given human logic and wisdom. You apparently don't understand the usage of metaphors in the scriptures. You seem to think that the written word of God is useless if the spirit that guides you tells you something contrary to it.
Nick, are you unaware that Satan masquerades as a spirit of light and, if possible, will turn away even the elect?
What do we as humans have to test the spirits against, if not God's written word? And how do we test those spirits against God's written word if not through the use of our own God-given logic and human wisdom?
Hi MB,
Indeed Onesimus was begotten of the Spirit of God through the servant Paul. This is the same begettal that God offers all men through Christ.Reliance primarily on logic is a dead end
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,01:13) Hi MB.
You fulfill 1 cor 2.14!
“Odd stuff if you ask me. “
Okay Nick, let's do a little experiment here.Nick, I was just shown by the Spirit of God that Jesus was really a female, and gave birth to three sons while on earth.
How will you refute me, Nick? Will you use your God-given logic and wisdom, backed by the very words of scripture to show me that the spirit who revealed these things to me was NOT of God?
I hope you are ALL getting my point here. For years, the Trinitarians have been “supporting” their comically flawed, man-made doctrine with words such as “You must have spiritual eyes to see it”, or “God must reveal it to you”, or “The Spirit taught this to me”.
How can we refute them, guys? Do we use our God-given knowledge, logic, and ability to read the scriptures to show them that the Son OF God cannot possibly BE the God he is the Son OF? Or do we just accept it as Spirit-given truth that just hasn't yet come to us?
Well Nick? How do YOU refute Kathi when she is saying the Spirit must show you that Jesus IS God Himself in a compound unity Godhead?
Don't you use scripture? And don't you use your own knowledge, wisdom and logic to show her FROM those scriptures that it can't be the case? Of course you do, because I've been witness to many posts you've made to her.
SO……………………..
Don't try using the old “Spirit must show you” crap on me or anyone else ever again. Because if you can't BACK UP what your spirit showed you with the written word of God, then your spirit was not of God. It is the weakest and most pathetic of all scriptural “arguments”. It is nothing but worthless words spoken from one who can't scripturally defend his doctrine.
Hi MB
You say
“They imagine that Thomas was looking at Jesus, and seeing him called him “my Lord”. But then Thomas looked a little closer, and literally and visually SAW the Father Himself “hiding” inside of Jesus and said, Oh, and there's also my God! Odd stuff if you ask me”No Thomas was a fast learner.
He was mentioned as being taught this by Jesus Christ just before then in jn14
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:51) Reliance primarily on logic is a dead end
Apparently to you it is. Your doctrine is not logical, and it contradicts many clear scriptures.Nick, are you saying that there are NO metaphors in scripture?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:55) Hi MB
You say
“They imagine that Thomas was looking at Jesus, and seeing him called him “my Lord”. But then Thomas looked a little closer, and literally and visually SAW the Father Himself “hiding” inside of Jesus and said, Oh, and there's also my God! Odd stuff if you ask me”No Thomas was a fast learner.
He was mentioned as being taught this by Jesus Christ just before then in jn14
No Nick,Thomas called Jesus Christ his Lord and his God – simple as that. He did not mistake Jesus for Jesus' own God, but called him a god in the proper usage of that word in Thomas' lifetime.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2012,09:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,01:13) Hi MB.
You fulfill 1 cor 2.14!
“Odd stuff if you ask me. “
Okay Nick, let's do a little experiment here.Nick, I was just shown by the Spirit of God that Jesus was really a female, and gave birth to three sons while on earth.
How will you refute me, Nick? Will you use your God-given logic and wisdom, backed by the very words of scripture to show me that the spirit who revealed these things to me was NOT of God?
I hope you are ALL getting my point here. For years, the Trinitarians have been “supporting” their comically flawed, man-made doctrine with words such as “You must have spiritual eyes to see it”, or “God must reveal it to you”, or “The Spirit taught this to me”.
How can we refute them, guys? Do we use our God-given knowledge, logic, and ability to read the scriptures to show them that the Son OF God cannot possibly BE the God he is the Son OF? Or do we just accept it as Spirit-given truth that just hasn't yet come to us?
Well Nick? How do YOU refute Kathi when she is saying the Spirit must show you that Jesus IS God Himself in a compound unity Godhead?
Don't you use scripture? And don't you use your own knowledge, wisdom and logic to show her FROM those scriptures that it can't be the case? Of course you do, because I've been witness to many posts you've made to her.
SO……………………..
Don't try using the old “Spirit must show you” crap on me or anyone else ever again. Because if you can't BACK UP what your spirit showed you with the written word of God, then your spirit was not of God. It is the weakest and most pathetic of all scriptural “arguments”. It is nothing but worthless words spoken from one who can't scripturally defend his doctrine.
Hi MB,
Mt 11.19
“Wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”
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