Melchizedek: is it an office or a person

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
They were anointed with God's Spirit at Pentecost.
Yes man was given a spirit of life, but not of eternal life.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,21:10)

Hi T, They were anointed with God's Spirit at Pentecost. Yes man was given a spirit of life, but not of eternal life.

nick

that s correct,

and also all present at the pentecostal receive the anointing about 120 present.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone? Who is “righteous” but God alone? Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who would Jesus follow after? God, the Father who taught him all things to do and say.
Who is the mediator between man and God? Jesus, the man, as a priest forever according to the Order of Melchizedek. Who sits at the right hand of Melchizedek (King of Peace) but His son, Jesus, Prince of Peace?

If this is God the Father's real name then why do we use YHWH (LORD) as His name? Isn't LORD a title and not a name? David

[mikeboll64]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:06)

How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone?  Who is “righteous” but God alone?  Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who would Jesus follow after?  God, the Father who taught him all things to do and say. Who is the mediator between man and God?  Jesus, the man, as a priest forever according to the Order of Melchizedek.  Who sits at the right hand of Melchizedek (King of Peace) but His son, Jesus, Prince of Peace? If this is God the Father's real name then why do we use YHWH (LORD) as His name?  Isn't LORD a title and not a name?   David

Hi David

How can a priest to God also BE God? And Jesus says he didn't come to save the righteous, but the sinners, so more than God alone can be considered righteous – to an extent.

Third, YHVH does NOT translate into LORD. YHVH means “I will be what I will be”. It is God's personal name. Lord is a title that scribes and other translators SUBSTITUTE when God's personal name is in the original Hebrew texts.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,12:26)

Hi T, Did Adam have the Spirit of God? Scripture does not say so. Neither does his fruit

Hi Nick,

The Hebrew word for “spirit” means “breath” or “wind” as I understand it. And God did BREATHE into Adam to give him life. We all live because spirit from God is in us. It might not necessarily be His Holy Spirit, but it is God's spirit on loan to us until we die. Then it returns to God. IMO

mike

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed,

Davidbfun makes a good point about Heb 7.

1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

I think this passage makes it pretty clear that M was a person, not an office.

mike

[davidbfun]

YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)
Elohim = God (noun, masc/fem)
YHVH Elohim = LORD God

YHWH or YHVH how you prefer to use it indicated the male essence of Elohim. This is God who has the physical body, the Father. Holy Spirit is the female essence of God who obviously is spirit. Together they comprise Elohim or the ONE (yachid or 'Echad; united) true God; God Most High. Each comes from Elohim (God Most High) and serves God while acting in Their individual position.

Individually each has its own mission. God the Father = Melchizedek; King and Priest (and Father who taught Jesus everything to say and do) Holy Spirit = helper, comforter, seal of promise. TOGETHER they are united and spirit (invisible) and are the parents of Jesus who is the firstborn of ALL creation. (Col 1:15)

Abraham was in the physical presence of God many times and talked with Him just as Jesus was. (another topic)

Spirit is breath or wind but THE Holy Spirit is the female essence of God and is an identity.

I posted another topic explaining the word Elohim that describes God is more detail but in short God has two essences, male and female (Gen 1:27).

David

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,02:59)

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:06) How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone?  Who is “righteous” but God alone?  Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who would Jesus follow after?  God, the Father who taught him all things to do and say. Who is the mediator between man and God?  Jesus, the man, as a priest forever according to the Order of Melchizedek.  Who sits at the right hand of Melchizedek (King of Peace) but His son, Jesus, Prince of Peace? If this is God the Father's real name then why do we use YHWH (LORD) as His name?  Isn't LORD a title and not a name?   David Hi David How can a priest to God also BE God?  And Jesus says he didn't come to save the righteous, but the sinners, so more than God alone can be considered righteous – to an extent. Third, YHVH does NOT translate into LORD.  YHVH means “I will be what I will be”.  It is God's personal name.  Lord is a title that scribes and other translators SUBSTITUTE when God's personal name is in the original Hebrew texts. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

            YHVH means: Causes to become.

   So when Moses Asked Him His name, he said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
  “I will be what I will be”  or  “I will be that I will be“

               YHVH=63 and “will be”=63

Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

HWH is actually the verb “Exist”, no? not YHWH
HVH is actually the verb “Exist” not YHVH

Ex 3:14 HVH has sent you….

Is there a reversal of the Hebrew “V” and “W” down under? as I've always seen it with “W” lol oi ve

Also if YHVH has always existed He has no beginning. His son = the beginning

So, whenever you talk about “IN THE BEGINNING” you are referring to Jesus who is before all things and is the firstborn of all CREATION (not just angels or humans).

David

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,03:08)

Hi Ed, Davidbfun makes a good point about Heb 7. 1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. I think this passage makes it pretty clear that M was a person, not an office. mike

Hi Mike,

Reread the “title” of the thread.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:43)

HWH is actually the verb “Exist”, no?  not YHWH HVH is actually the verb “Exist” not YHVH Ex 3:14 HVH has sent you…. Is there a reversal of the Hebrew “V” and “W” down under?   as I've always seen it with “W” lol  oi ve Also if YHVH has always existed He has no beginning.  His son = the beginning So, whenever you talk about “IN THE BEGINNING” you are referring to Jesus who is before all things and is the firstborn of all CREATION (not just angels or humans). David

Hi David-Be-Fun,

Hebrew doesn't have a “W” sound or a “J” sound. (Acts 17:11)

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:34)

YHWH = LORD (noun, masc) Elohim = God (noun, masc/fem) YHVH Elohim = LORD God

Hi David,

Actually,

YHVH = I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be
Elohim = gods
El = god
Eloah = god
Adonai = lord = master
YHVH Elohim = Jehovah God(s) – plural of majesty

NEVER does YHVH have the definition of “lord” or “master”.  Lord is a word scribes SUBSTITUTE instead of writing the divine name YHVH.  The Jews at some point stopped saying the divine name, and in time also stopped writing it for fear one would mistakenly read it aloud without thinking.  So, where the original Hebrew had YHVH, they inserted the word Adonai instead.  Most English translations capitalize the word LORD to let the reader know that this particular use of LORD replaced YHVH in the Hebrew.  This does NOT mean that all of a sudden the word “adonai” started meaning “I will become” anymore than the name YHVH started meaning “master”.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,02:59) Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:06) How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone?  Who is “righteous” but God alone?  Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who would Jesus follow after?  God, the Father who taught him all things to do and say. Who is the mediator between man and God?  Jesus, the man, as a priest forever according to the Order of Melchizedek.  Who sits at the right hand of Melchizedek (King of Peace) but His son, Jesus, Prince of Peace? If this is God the Father's real name then why do we use YHWH (LORD) as His name?  Isn't LORD a title and not a name?   David Hi David How can a priest to God also BE God?  And Jesus says he didn't come to save the righteous, but the sinners, so more than God alone can be considered righteous – to an extent. Third, YHVH does NOT translate into LORD.  YHVH means “I will be what I will be”.  It is God's personal name.  Lord is a title that scribes and other translators SUBSTITUTE when God's personal name is in the original Hebrew texts. peace and love, mike Hi Mike,             YHVH means: Causes to become.    So when Moses Asked Him His name, he said… [אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…   “I will be what I will be”  or  “I will be that I will be“                YHVH=63 and “will be”=63 Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is. The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63. [יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes Ed,

Isn't that exactly what I posted?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,03:08) Hi Ed, Davidbfun makes a good point about Heb 7. 1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. I think this passage makes it pretty clear that M was a person, not an office. mike Hi Mike, Reread the “title” of the thread. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,04:04)

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:34) YHWH = LORD (noun, masc) Elohim = God (noun, masc/fem) YHVH Elohim = LORD God Hi David, Actually, YHVH = I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be Elohim = gods El = god Eloah = god Adonai = lord = master YHVH Elohim = Jehovah God(s) – plural of majesty NEVER does YHVH have the definition of “lord” or “master”.  Lord is a word scribes SUBSTITUTE instead of writing the divine name YHVH.  The Jews at some point stopped saying the divine name, and in time also stopped writing it for fear one would mistakenly read it aloud without thinking.  So, where the original Hebrew had YHVH, they inserted the word Adonai instead.  Most English translations capitalize the word LORD to let the reader know that this particular use of LORD replaced YHVH in the Hebrew.  This does NOT mean that all of a sudden the word “adonai” started meaning “I will become” anymore than the name YHVH started meaning “master”. mike

Hi Mike,

Excellent Post, brother!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,04:04)

Hi David, YHVH = I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be Elohim = gods El = god Eloah = god Adonai = lord = master YHVH Elohim = Jehovah God(s) – plural of majesty mike

Hi Mike,

YHVH = I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be

This is one that the N.W.T. (Jehovah Witnesses Bible) got right,
while (as far as I know) all other English Bibles it got WRONG!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:34)

YHWH = LORD (noun, masc) Elohim = God (noun, masc/fem) YHVH Elohim = LORD God   YHWH or YHVH how you prefer to use it indicated the male essence of Elohim.  This is God who has the physical body, the Father.  Holy Spirit is the female essence of God who obviously is spirit.  Together they comprise Elohim or the ONE (yachid or 'Echad; united) true God; God Most High.  Each comes from Elohim (God Most High) and serves God while acting in Their individual position. Individually each has its own mission.  God the Father = Melchizedek; King and Priest (and Father who taught Jesus everything to say and do)  Holy Spirit = helper, comforter, seal of promise.  TOGETHER they are united and spirit (invisible) and are the parents of Jesus who is the firstborn of ALL creation. (Col 1:15) Abraham was in the physical presence of God many times and talked with Him just as Jesus was. (another topic) Spirit is breath or wind but THE Holy Spirit is the female essence of God and is an identity. I posted another topic explaining the word Elohim that describes God is more detail but in short God has two essences, male and female (Gen 1:27). David

Hi David,

Wasn't this thread good enough for you?
You and WJ now look like twins!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Everybody,

Jasher 16:11-12 And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem,
went out with his men to meet Abram and his people, with bread and wine,
and they remained together in the valley of Melech. And Adonizedek blessed
Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had brought from the spoil
of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God. (Compare Gen.14:18-20)

Gen.14:18-20 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said,
Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies
into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. (Compare Jasher 16:11-12)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

Edj

Does “YHVH” mean “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be”?

Moses asked God what His name was. God replied, by definition “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be”…. “THEREFORE”…”say to the people 'I AM'/'I WILL BE' (YHVH) has sent you”…”This is my name for everlasting” (TO Everlasting ..beginning from NOW)
(Maybe it was “I WILL/I AM”?)

God first describes himself and then DERIVES His name from it.
(Jacob: “In this place I saw the stairway to heaven…. therefore I name this place…Hebrew for 'Stairway to heaven'”)

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:39)

Hi Mike,             YHVH means: Causes to become.    So when Moses Asked Him His name, he said… [אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…   “I will be what I will be”  or  “I will be that I will be“                YHVH=63 and “will be”=63 Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is. The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63. [יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi JustAskin,

Is the something about this Post you had trouble understanding?
(Mark 13:6) 'i am' CANNOT be translated into Hebrew as there is NO SUCH THING!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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