Just brought to my attention

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,01:47)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,07:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 23 2011,21:09) bod this one;;Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” … He = Muhammad  the prophet of Islam Pierre No He= Abraham Surah 6 74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”   75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.   76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”   77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.” bod Ok ,now that you showed me in the Koran show it to me in the scriptures Pierre[/quote] I did make it very clear to you that in the Quran you will find details that are not in the scriptures of the Bible Just as each “BOOK” of the bible itself does not contain all the information of the other books but what I will show you is this: Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.[/quote] bod but those two stories have nothing in common , you are inventing your stories ,in reality you are degrading Abraham a man of God with the story of the Koran , it seems that people like to bring down that what they can not equal, IT DOES NOT SAY Abraham DID WORSHIP OTHER GODS RIGHT ? YES Pierre

I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,01:11)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2011,10:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2011,15:07) ED AFTER READING THIS, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO GO OVER WHAT IT SAYS AGAIN. I've said this to Ed many times myself.   It doesn't work.  He will still continue to bring up the same things you've already painstakenly explained to him or refuted. AND……….. he's already gotten into trouble for “selective quoting techniques”. Ed, if the partial quote you give changes the entire context (as it did in the case Asana posted), then you are being dishonest and/or deceitful.  It is clear from what Asana posted that the intent was not “The moon is one of my Lords/Gods” – as you implied.  Refrain from this practice immediately.  Had Asana actually reported this offense, you would have most likely been tiled for it – seeing that we've already been down this road before. Hi Mike, I was under the assumption that it was something Muhammad said. And I don't even see the name Abraham in there; do you? And besides, you repeat the same things that were discussed over and over yourself, SO LETS NOT TRY TO TARGET ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAY; OK Mike!! B.shem YHVH

Surah 6

74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”
75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.

Okay ed now you see directproof of who is speaking in the verse now you have no excuse

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,06:58)

Who is allah? …the moongod!

You really have no reasonable mind do you and you listen to videos that are also dense with misunderstanding did you not know that before YHVH was accepted as the One God many thought YHVH was the War God or the mountain God just one of many gods it is the same with God under the word Allah but the Quran clearly and directly talks about Abraham's enlightenment of Hod GOD is the ONE and ONLY GOD and yet you put up a video that speaks about preQuran Arabia whom it is a fact that they were Idol worshipers and hence because of Muhammad being blessed with the revelation of The Almighty by way of the Quran which translates to “The Recital” You have almost zero polytheist today especially in that region where Muhammad started.

I can only guess that somehow you don't really understand what is being said here

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,07:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,10:12) I explained my cause to T8, and he removed the “UNDESERVED TILE” that YOU gave me, I've never given you a tile, Ed.  Nor have I ever tiled Gene.  The one tile I gave to Jack was removed some time later at MY request to t8.  Not Jack's request, but mine.  I also never gave Martian any of his five tiles, and I only gave Istari one of his five. You are talking a lot of smack about me………….UNTRUE smack.  It is clear that you don't even know what you're talking about, so it needs to stop. Asana has clarified for you that Muslims don't believe in a separate “moon god”, “star god” or “sun god”.  They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”. So let it go, Ed.  If you want to attack Muslims, do it fair and square – not by selectively quoting things out of context that will give other readers here a wrong understanding.

Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,10:12) I explained my cause to T8, and he removed the “UNDESERVED TILE” that YOU gave me, I've never given you a tile, Ed.  Nor have I ever tiled Gene.  The one tile I gave to Jack was removed some time later at MY request to t8.  Not Jack's request, but mine.  I also never gave Martian any of his five tiles, and I only gave Istari one of his five. You are talking a lot of smack about me………….UNTRUE smack.  It is clear that you don't even know what you're talking about, so it needs to stop. Asana has clarified for you that Muslims don't believe in a separate “moon god”, “star god” or “sun god”.  They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”. So let it go, Ed.  If you want to attack Muslims, do it fair and square – not by selectively quoting things out of context that will give other readers here a wrong understanding. Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching

The evidence is quite clear BD, islam is the spirit of antichrist…

Daniel 11:37-39 (1)Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, (2)nor the desire of women,
(3)nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 (4)But in his estate shall he
honor the God of forces: (5)and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold,
and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most
strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory:
and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

This can only be the prophet of islam (Rev.13:11,18)
and his god (Rev.12:3,9); wake-up BD! (Eph.5:14)

1. YHVH, the God of our fathers, do they disregard.
2. The desire of women is Women have no rights.
3. YHVH, they disregard; and follow a fake god.
4. Who is the god of forces, islam of course.
5. And who do muslims build mosques to?
6. When were the prophets over with?
7. Who do they say has no Son?

1 John 2:22 “He is antichrist, (7)that denieth the Father and the Son.”
Luke 16:16 “The law and (6)the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached.
Meaning: God and his Children. (Romans 8:16)

(7)Romans 8:16 The [HolySpirit] itself beareth witness
with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2011,10:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2011,15:07) ED AFTER READING THIS, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO GO OVER WHAT IT SAYS AGAIN. I've said this to Ed many times myself.   It doesn't work.  He will still continue to bring up the same things you've already painstakenly explained to him or refuted. AND……….. he's already gotten into trouble for “selective quoting techniques”. Ed, if the partial quote you give changes the entire context (as it did in the case Asana posted), then you are being dishonest and/or deceitful.  It is clear from what Asana posted that the intent was not “The moon is one of my Lords/Gods” – as you implied.  Refrain from this practice immediately.  Had Asana actually reported this offense, you would have most likely been tiled for it – seeing that we've already been down this road before. Hi Mike, I was under the assumption that it was something Muhammad said. And I don't even see the name Abraham in there; do you? And besides, you repeat the same things that were discussed over and over yourself, SO LETS NOT TRY TO TARGET ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAY; OK Mike!! B.shem YHVH Surah 6 74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”   75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.   Okay ed now you see directproof of who is speaking in the verse now you have no excuse

Hi BD,

Abraham does NOT worship the moongod.
Why don't you drop the 'book of fraud'?

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,10:12) I explained my cause to T8, and he removed the “UNDESERVED TILE” that YOU gave me, I've never given you a tile, Ed.  Nor have I ever tiled Gene.  The one tile I gave to Jack was removed some time later at MY request to t8.  Not Jack's request, but mine.  I also never gave Martian any of his five tiles, and I only gave Istari one of his five. You are talking a lot of smack about me………….UNTRUE smack.  It is clear that you don't even know what you're talking about, so it needs to stop. Asana has clarified for you that Muslims don't believe in a separate “moon god”, “star god” or “sun god”.  They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”. So let it go, Ed.  If you want to attack Muslims, do it fair and square – not by selectively quoting things out of context that will give other readers here a wrong understanding. Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching

Hi BD,

Quote

I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching

You call writing a complete sentence 'context switching'?
What exactly do you claim was switched? and how
was it switched? what was it switched with?

B'shem
YHVH

[terraricca]

Mike

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They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”.

would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god see my point ??

It is for those reason to learn what was Muhammuh the original written words and book, ten we see , I have heard Muslim to use the same tactic what the Catholic church did wen peopl start to ask question about the bible ,people are stange ,can gette it scandales upon scandals and they still attend that false church,

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2011,00:13)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,01:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,07:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 23 2011,21:09) bod this one;;Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” … He = Muhammad  the prophet of Islam Pierre No He= Abraham Surah 6 74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”   75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.   76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”   77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.” bod Ok ,now that you showed me in the Koran show it to me in the scriptures Pierre I did make it very clear to you that in the Quran you will find details that are not in the scriptures of the Bible Just as each “BOOK” of the bible itself does not contain all the information of the other books but what I will show you is this: Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.[/quote] bod but those two stories have nothing in common , you are inventing your stories ,in reality you are degrading Abraham a man of God with the story of the Koran , it seems that people like to bring down that what they can not equal, IT DOES NOT SAY Abraham DID WORSHIP OTHER GODS RIGHT ? YES Pierre[/quote] I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.

bod

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I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.

that is part of Jewish tradition ,the Jews like tradition,Jesus told them how bad they were to change the Law of god and replace it with there traditions

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,02:28)

would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god  see my point ??

No Pierre,

Because Buddah is someone other than Jehovah, while Allah IS Jehovah.

I call Him “Jehovah”.  Some call Him “Yahweh”.  Others call Him “The Great I AM”.  Others call Him “God”.  

Muslims call Him “Allah”.  All of these words are talking about the same Jehovah God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth.

I don't know that much about the Muslim religion yet, but I know that their “Allah” is the same exact God as our “Jehovah”.

Asana, is “Allah” a form of “Elohim”? Is it simply a word for “God”? Or is it a personal name like “Yahweh”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,00:30)

Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone…………

I think I'll save this quote for Gene.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,09:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,02:28) would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god  see my point ?? No Pierre, Because Buddah is someone other than Jehovah, while Allah IS Jehovah. I call Him “Jehovah”.  Some call Him “Yahweh”.  Others call Him “The Great I AM”.  Others call Him “God”.   Muslims call Him “Allah”.  All of these words are talking about the same Jehovah God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth. I don't know that much about the Muslim religion yet, but I know that their “Allah” is the same exact God as our “Jehovah”. Asana, is “Allah” a form of “Elohim”?  Is it simply a word for “God”?  Or is it a personal name like “Yahweh”?

Mike

don't be duped, Allah is not = to Jehovah i will show it to you a little later ,need more time ,

do not bring the Holiness of Jehovah equal to Allah the god of Muslims,

remember that the rise of the Muslim religion comes from men not God and so is the Roman catholic church,

are those also holy with the name Jehovah ??

Muhammad was not a man send by God (Jehovah) he copy from the Jewish/Christian religion at his time ,

Isaac,said to Esau the brother of Jacob that there was no more blessings to be received Jacob took it all,

God made the nation to fulfill his will but this does not mean that those nations are doing Gods will to be saved from his wrath

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:41)

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet? Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached. Do you still not know what this means? It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children! You still need your own personal Pentecost. Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart? B'shem YHVH

So was Jesus a Prophet or not he came after John or waht about the other John of revelation was he a prophet or not? And why in revelation it talks about a future prophesy that would be prophesied amongst the nations?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,19:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:15) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2011,10:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2011,15:07) ED AFTER READING THIS, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO GO OVER WHAT IT SAYS AGAIN. I've said this to Ed many times myself.   It doesn't work.  He will still continue to bring up the same things you've already painstakenly explained to him or refuted. AND……….. he's already gotten into trouble for “selective quoting techniques”. Ed, if the partial quote you give changes the entire context (as it did in the case Asana posted), then you are being dishonest and/or deceitful.  It is clear from what Asana posted that the intent was not “The moon is one of my Lords/Gods” – as you implied.  Refrain from this practice immediately.  Had Asana actually reported this offense, you would have most likely been tiled for it – seeing that we've already been down this road before. Hi Mike, I was under the assumption that it was something Muhammad said. And I don't even see the name Abraham in there; do you? And besides, you repeat the same things that were discussed over and over yourself, SO LETS NOT TRY TO TARGET ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAY; OK Mike!! B.shem YHVH Surah 6 74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”   75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.   Okay ed now you see directproof of who is speaking in the verse now you have no excuse Hi BD, Abraham does NOT worship the moongod. Why don't you drop the 'book of fraud'? B'shem (in the Name of) YHVH (the everlasting God)

I am starting to believe that the problem may be your reading comprehension in which case there is nothing I can do about that.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,02:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,02:28) would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god  see my point ?? No Pierre, Because Buddah is someone other than Jehovah, while Allah IS Jehovah. I call Him “Jehovah”.  Some call Him “Yahweh”.  Others call Him “The Great I AM”.  Others call Him “God”.   Muslims call Him “Allah”.  All of these words are talking about the same Jehovah God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth. I don't know that much about the Muslim religion yet, but I know that their “Allah” is the same exact God as our “Jehovah”. Asana, is “Allah” a form of “Elohim”?  Is it simply a word for “God”?  Or is it a personal name like “Yahweh”?

Hi Mike.

Allah may be a form of Elohim most linguist say it is because the languages of Arabic and Hebrew are similar but Allah means “THE GOD” representing the truest Title while Yahweh translates into something like “The one who causes to be” representing God's truest Nature/Name

The Bible says that the forefathers before Moses only new God as The Almighty or The God but with all the polytheism and Idolatry, God had to explain to Moses that HE Is the ONE that CAUSES to BE, no other can claim that personal attribute

In Islam the Idea carries over to say that since this One That Causes to Be is in fact The Only one that causes to be HE is the ONLY being capable of carrying the title and rank of “THE GOD” and in Arabic there is not even a way to pluralize ALLAH so there is no such thing as ALLAHS but in english we can say gods so to say ALLAH is a definitive statement in which there is only one you could be talking about which would be Yahweh or YHVH or Jehovah

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,10:12) I explained my cause to T8, and he removed the “UNDESERVED TILE” that YOU gave me, I've never given you a tile, Ed.  Nor have I ever tiled Gene.  The one tile I gave to Jack was removed some time later at MY request to t8.  Not Jack's request, but mine.  I also never gave Martian any of his five tiles, and I only gave Istari one of his five. You are talking a lot of smack about me………….UNTRUE smack.  It is clear that you don't even know what you're talking about, so it needs to stop. Asana has clarified for you that Muslims don't believe in a separate “moon god”, “star god” or “sun god”.  They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”. So let it go, Ed.  If you want to attack Muslims, do it fair and square – not by selectively quoting things out of context that will give other readers here a wrong understanding. Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching The evidence is quite clear BD, islam is the spirit of antichrist… Daniel 11:37-39 (1)Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, (2)nor the desire of women, (3)nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 (4)But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: (5)and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. This can only be the prophet of islam (Rev.13:11,18) and his god (Rev.12:3,9); wake-up BD! (Eph.5:14) 1. YHVH, the God of our fathers, do they disregard. 2. The desire of women is Women have no rights. 3. YHVH, they disregard; and follow a fake god. 4. Who is the god of forces, islam of course. 5. And who do muslims build mosques to? 6. When were the prophets over with? 7. Who do they say has no Son? 1 John 2:22 “He is antichrist, (7)that denieth the Father and the Son.” Luke 16:16 “The law and (6)the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached. Meaning: God and his Children. (Romans 8:16) (7)Romans 8:16 The [HolySpirit] itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. B'shem YHVH

Do you realize you keep posting the same material across several threads? Are you hoping I will miss one of the duplicate postings so your argument will stand by itself? You see more dishonesty I shouldn't have to run around all the threads to see if you are slipping in duplicate material If I don't answer right away I'll get to it you don't have to make sure that I see it in threads that don't pertain to that discussion

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,19:10)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,17:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,07:25) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,10:12) I explained my cause to T8, and he removed the “UNDESERVED TILE” that YOU gave me, I've never given you a tile, Ed.  Nor have I ever tiled Gene.  The one tile I gave to Jack was removed some time later at MY request to t8.  Not Jack's request, but mine.  I also never gave Martian any of his five tiles, and I only gave Istari one of his five. You are talking a lot of smack about me………….UNTRUE smack.  It is clear that you don't even know what you're talking about, so it needs to stop. Asana has clarified for you that Muslims don't believe in a separate “moon god”, “star god” or “sun god”.  They believe ONLY in Jehovah God, who they call “Allah”, which to my understanding simply means “God”. So let it go, Ed.  If you want to attack Muslims, do it fair and square – not by selectively quoting things out of context that will give other readers here a wrong understanding. Mike you must be a great moderator because I didn't even know you were a moderator until recently which means your arguments are not geared to bully anyone I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching Hi BD, Quote I just think ED should man up and find a way to disagree through honest thought and effort and not sly context switching You call writing a complete sentence 'context switching'? What exactly do you claim was switched? and how was it switched? what was it switched with? B'shem YHVH

When you isolate a sentence to make it appear that what came before or after doesn't matter when the truth is in the previous or latter sentence you are purposely altering the context for effect if you claim to not know that then I'm telling you that now.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2011,04:00)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,09:10) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,02:28) would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god  see my point ?? No Pierre, Because Buddah is someone other than Jehovah, while Allah IS Jehovah. I call Him “Jehovah”.  Some call Him “Yahweh”.  Others call Him “The Great I AM”.  Others call Him “God”.   Muslims call Him “Allah”.  All of these words are talking about the same Jehovah God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth. I don't know that much about the Muslim religion yet, but I know that their “Allah” is the same exact God as our “Jehovah”. Asana, is “Allah” a form of “Elohim”?  Is it simply a word for “God”?  Or is it a personal name like “Yahweh”? Mike don't be duped, Allah is not = to Jehovah i will show it to you a little later ,need more time , do not bring the Holiness of Jehovah equal to Allah the god of Muslims, remember that the rise of the Muslim religion comes from men not God and so is the Roman catholic church, are those also holy with the name Jehovah ?? Muhammad was not a man send by God (Jehovah) he copy from the Jewish/Christian   religion at his time , Isaac,said to Esau the brother of Jacob that there was no more blessings to be received Jacob took it all, God made the nation to fulfill his will but this does not mean that those nations are doing Gods will to be saved from his wrath Pierre

What I find amazing is your mind is completely polytheistic how many gods are there. God declares that there is no other God besides HIM so even to say “God of the Muslims” as if there is some other God is a horrible statement that Goes against the Sovereign nature of God.

If you were a true Monotheist and believed that there is only one God you could say I don't understand or agree with how Muslims worship God but you couldn't speak of other “gods” Is there some other creator? Some other that Causes all things to Be?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,19:31)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2011,00:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,01:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 24 2011,07:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 23 2011,21:09) bod this one;;Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” … He = Muhammad  the prophet of Islam Pierre No He= Abraham Surah 6 74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”   75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.   76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”   77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.” bod Ok ,now that you showed me in the Koran show it to me in the scriptures Pierre I did make it very clear to you that in the Quran you will find details that are not in the scriptures of the Bible Just as each “BOOK” of the bible itself does not contain all the information of the other books but what I will show you is this: Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. bod but those two stories have nothing in common , you are inventing your stories ,in reality you are degrading Abraham a man of God with the story of the Koran , it seems that people like to bring down that what they can not equal, IT DOES NOT SAY Abraham DID WORSHIP OTHER GODS RIGHT ? YES Pierre[/quote] I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.[/quote] bod Quote I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true. that is part of Jewish tradition ,the Jews like tradition,Jesus told them how bad they were to change the Law of god and replace it with there traditions Pierre

I don't think you understand that Jesus was saying some rituals they were doing was not based on the Law it had nothing to do with passed on oral history

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