Just brought to my attention

[KangarooJack]

BD said:

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Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right?

You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him.

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Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be.

I have seen no evidence of this yet.

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I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes

This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm.

KJ

[mikeboll64]

Yes Asana,

Angels ARE called “sons of God”. And no, Jack, no angel is ever told to “worship” Jesus. The angels will “do obeisance” to Jesus, not “worship” him as if he were God. (Revelation 19:10, 22:9)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2012,15:59)

Hi BD, The difference here is that the Angels are NOT a begotten son as Jesus was. B'shem YHVH

The Original Greek Word Monogenes

The phrase “only begotten” in the above-mentioned verses, in the original Greek language, is monogenes (pronounced hard g as in go; Strong #3439)…

Combination of two words: “monos” which means “only” or “alone,” and “genos” which means “of the same nature, kind, sort, species” (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the NT)

A better translation might be “only one of its kind” or “only unique” or just “only,” but not “begotten.”

Jesus Christ, the Son of God is a unique and one-of-a-kind being.

Hugo McCord defines it as “a lone being, a unique existence, the only one of its kind, that which has no duplicate” (Gospel Advocate, 3/20/86)

It's interesting to note that the 2nd century Old Latin version translated all nine NT occurrences of monogenes as UNICUS, which means “unique.”

The word (actually inspired) has nothing to do with origin, as does typically the word “begotten.” Rather the intent is to affirm that Jesus Christ is the unique, only one of His kind, Son of God.

http://www.biblelessons.com/begotten.html

Just because Jesus is unque it doesn't make him the only son according to the bible

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50)

BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ

As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this:

It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11)

Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2012,05:28)

Yes Asana, Angels ARE called “sons of God”.  And no, Jack, no angel is ever told to “worship” Jesus.  The angels will “do obeisance” to Jesus, not “worship” him as if he were God.  (Revelation 19:10, 22:9)

Agreed. The worsip of God is completely different than the Worship of the glory of God bestowed on someone.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits)

bod

your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people,

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre

You're just silly

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre You're just silly

don`' t share your name with me

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre

Pierre

Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says:

John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER?

Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says:

John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path)

Romans 10:5-7

King James Version (KJV)

5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre Pierre Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER? Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says: John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path) Romans 10:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late.

Bod

You forgot one sentence :And become a Muslim

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,14:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:55) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre Pierre Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER? Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says: John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path) Romans 10:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late. Bod You forgot one sentence :And become a Muslim

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,00:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,14:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:55) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre Pierre Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER? Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says: John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path) Romans 10:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late. Bod You forgot one sentence :And become a Muslim James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Bod

Your god ? No way

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,17:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,00:02) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,14:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:55) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre Pierre Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER? Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says: John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path) Romans 10:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late. Bod You forgot one sentence :And become a Muslim James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Bod     Your god ? No way

There is only One God

If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #22)

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,12:08)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,17:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,00:02) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2012,14:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2012,19:55) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,06:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 08 2012,12:41) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:50) BD said: Quote Are you serious the angels themselves are called sons of God, right? You evaded my point. Were the angels commanded to worship David and Solomon? Answer: No! But they were commanded to worship God's Son Jesus. Therefore, the title “son” in reference to Jesus is exalted. This is why Jesus used these titles in the third person. He was humble and did not grasp the glory that of such titles. His Father thrust glory upon Him. Quote Please don't think I have a set paradigm I am completely open to change if need be. I have seen no evidence of this yet. Quote I will say that my view of the NT letters and such is in understanding that much of what is said is not based on former scriptures but on future hopes This is based on whether or not the NT letters agree with your paradigm. KJ As far as angels worshiping men in the Quran it does say this: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We made the angels bow down to adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who bow down.   (  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11) Obviously if man was made in the image of God he would be worshiped by angels (ministering spirits) bod your religion is sickening ,full of lies just like those who practice it ,they hate the truth of God and hate his son Jesus Christ and killing his people, Pierre Pierre Why would you say someone hates Jesus? Do you not think you sound foolish to talk about 1 billion people as a single person all who confess to love Jesus If that is the way you want to Judge then you do not love Jesus at all because Jesus says: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; What did Jesus say that you refuse to follow showing yourself as not a TRUE FOLLOWER? Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: According to your own beliefs you are going to hell unless you start following the way of Christ whom you hate unless you are obedient. Time is getting late for you as you are progressing in age don't let the sun fade on your life without following Christ for you are not greater than Christ and yet Christ says: John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. I worry about your soul brother, you have claimed Christ but you have taken on the works of Satan an it will be cast down Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Your whole mind is wishing for the harm of others saying who will go up to heaven and who will go down to hell (What a terrible path) Romans 10:5-7 King James Version (KJV) 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) You have taken the path of the evil one, please repent and go back to Christ and renew your love and mission before it is to late. Bod You forgot one sentence :And become a Muslim James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Bod     Your god ? No way There is only One God If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!   (  سورة الأنبياء  , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #22)

bod

No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES ,

but it is not your god that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,05:23)

bod No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES , but it is not your god  that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #29)

Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah, surely allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12)

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Pierre

The Hebrews didn't invent God

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,05:23) bod No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES , but it is not your god  that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #29) Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah, surely allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.   (  سورة الحجرات  , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12)

bod

those are the scriptures of the Hebrew you are quoting;

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,05:23) bod No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES , but it is not your god  that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #29) Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah, surely allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.   (  سورة الحجرات  , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12) bod those are the scriptures of the Hebrew you are quoting;

I was also quoting the Quran but Pierre what came first God or the Hebrews?

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,06:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,05:23) bod No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES , but it is not your god  that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #29) Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah, surely allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.   (  سورة الحجرات  , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12) bod those are the scriptures of the Hebrew you are quoting; I was also quoting the Quran but Pierre what came first God or the Hebrews?

bod

WHAT CAME FIRST ISRAEL AND SCRIPTURES OR THE KORAN???

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,10:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,15:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,06:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2012,05:23) bod No ,there is only ONE TRUE GOD IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES , but it is not your god  that you calling Allah ,your s is a different god,he is not the God of the Hebrews Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #29) Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah, surely allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.   (  سورة الحجرات  , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12) bod those are the scriptures of the Hebrew you are quoting; I was also quoting the Quran but Pierre what came first God or the Hebrews? bod WHAT CAME FIRST ISRAEL AND SCRIPTURES OR THE KORAN???

God came before all and is the God of All, you can't put God in your little box and own Him, God created you and me and everything else.

You and people like ED carry around dead boxes of God

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