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    Ed J
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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)

    #270465
    terraricca
    Participant

    bod

    Quote
    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).

    1) O ye who believe!;;this means who believe in Muhammad ???

    2)take your religion ; this is the Koran and Islam ,right ???

    3)whether among those who received the Scripture before you,;;THIS MEANS THE JEWS ,RIGHT ????

    4) or among those who reject Faith;;;THIS MEANS ALL OTHERS THAT REJECT ISLAM AND THE KORAN AS THEIR FAITH ? RIGHT ?????

    please answer those question

    Pierre

    #270467
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,05:37)
    You don't love Jehovah if He creates evil and murder?[/quote]
    bod

    wen are you going to understand that Moses was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE, GOT IT ,NO MUSLIMS,NO EGYPTIANS,(EVEN THAT SOME JOINT WITH THEM)

    WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO DO WAS NOT MOSES WILL BUT GODS WILL TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM ,ISAAC ,JACOBS,

    by making Muhammad a prophet of Jehovah you are MOCKING him, you are annulling HIS WORD GIVEN TO Christ AND SO TO HIS DISCIPLES ,

    SO;1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void

    GAL 1:7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

    REV 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

    any one that is not true to the gospel of Christ ,LET HIM BE CURSED ,

    Pierre


    So you agree that being a gentile that Jesus was not sent to you or anyone like you, right?

    Matthew 15:24
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Matthew 10:5-7

    “King James Version (KJV)

    5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Your words with Jesus instead of Moses:

    wen are you going to understand that Jesus was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    #270468
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:08)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    We can be friendly while we debate important issues but of course you could not be my actual friend, what kind of friend mocks you and attacks how you worship God. That's no friend at all.

    You see Friends can debate an issue but that's not what you do, you throw out false allegations, deny common knowledge, manipulate, deceive and attack.

    Someone like Mike for example doesn't believe in all that I believe and we debate it but he never found a need to Mock or be unjust towards me and nobody has to do that because it is your belief and love in God that you should be displaying not your disdain and hatred for everything you don't understand.

    Stu who mocks religion is an unbeliever and your (forum)behaviour is worse than his

    #270470
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,09:18)
    bod

    Quote
    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    1) O ye who believe!;;this means who believe in Muhammad ???

    2)take your religion ; this is the Koran and Islam ,right ???

    3)whether among those who received the Scripture before you,;;THIS MEANS THE JEWS ,RIGHT ????

    4) or among those who reject Faith;;;THIS MEANS ALL OTHERS THAT REJECT ISLAM AND THE KORAN AS THEIR FAITH ? RIGHT ?????

    please answer those question

    Pierre


    I only wish you would READ it is my only wish for you

    5:55 Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

    5:69 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah(Jehavah, God Almighty, Elohim) and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    #270473
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,09:43)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:08)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    We can be friendly while we debate important issues but of course you could not be my actual friend, what kind of friend mocks you and attacks how you worship God. That's no friend at all.

    You see Friends can debate an issue but that's not what you do, you throw out false allegations, deny common knowledge, manipulate, deceive and attack.

    Someone like Mike for example doesn't believe in all that I believe and we debate it but he never found a need to Mock or be unjust towards me and nobody has to do that because it is your belief and love in God that you should be displaying not your disdain and hatred for everything you don't understand.

    Stu who mocks religion is an unbeliever and your (forum)behaviour is worse than his


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that Mike “can” be your friend?
    Or are you just saying this to take a poke at me?

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #270478
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2012,12:45)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2012,01:39)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 29 2011,21:15)
    The Quran always insists on only attack those who are attacking you and when they cease you should cease.


    Hi Asana,

    Can you show me that teaching from the Quran itself?


    fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #190)

    But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #192)


    Thank you for showing me.  :)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2012,12:45)
    Now just to show you how much people go out of the way to mislead people about the Quran notice above that one is verse 190 and the other is 192 so why is it ED or Pierre will only pull out 191 which says

     
     002:191

    And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

    Mostly they only quote the first sentence

    I haven't read this whole discussion…………..(you guys post faster than I can even read! :) ).

    But if anyone is purposely quoting things out of context in order to make their own point be right, I believe they will end up defeating their own purpose in the end.

    #270496
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,16:32)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,05:37)
    You don't love Jehovah if He creates evil and murder?


    bod

    wen are you going to understand that Moses was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE, GOT IT ,NO MUSLIMS,NO EGYPTIANS,(EVEN THAT SOME JOINT WITH THEM)

    WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO DO WAS NOT MOSES WILL BUT GODS WILL TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM ,ISAAC ,JACOBS,

    by making Muhammad a prophet of Jehovah you are MOCKING him, you are annulling HIS WORD GIVEN TO Christ AND SO TO HIS DISCIPLES ,

    SO;1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void

    GAL 1:7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

    REV 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

    any one that is not true to the gospel of Christ ,LET HIM BE CURSED ,

    Pierre[/quote]
    So you agree that being a gentile that Jesus was not sent to you or anyone like you, right?

    Matthew 15:24
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Matthew 10:5-7

    “King James Version (KJV)

    5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Your words with Jesus instead of Moses:

    wen are you going to understand that Jesus was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?


    bod

    Quote
    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    where does it say that ??

    #270498
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,10:07)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,09:43)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:08)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    We can be friendly while we debate important issues but of course you could not be my actual friend, what kind of friend mocks you and attacks how you worship God. That's no friend at all.

    You see Friends can debate an issue but that's not what you do, you throw out false allegations, deny common knowledge, manipulate, deceive and attack.

    Someone like Mike for example doesn't believe in all that I believe and we debate it but he never found a need to Mock or be unjust towards me and nobody has to do that because it is your belief and love in God that you should be displaying not your disdain and hatred for everything you don't understand.

    Stu who mocks religion is an unbeliever and your (forum)behaviour is worse than his


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that Mike “can” be your friend?
    Or are you just saying this to take a poke at me?

    B'shem
    YHVH


    Why couldn't Mike be my friend? He is not mocking me although we debate issues, he is not being slanderous and really who needs to be slanderous to speak truth to power in-fact I can honestly say that people like you and Pierre have been my biggest help in showing the flaws in thinking that many people have because you guys say so many false things:

    Say: The truth has come, and the falsehood shall vanish and shall not come back.
    ( سورة سبأ , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #49)

    Sura #17

    81 And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing (thing).

    #270501
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,13:55)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,16:32)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,05:37)
    You don't love Jehovah if He creates evil and murder?


    bod

    wen are you going to understand that Moses was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE, GOT IT ,NO MUSLIMS,NO EGYPTIANS,(EVEN THAT SOME JOINT WITH THEM)

    WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO DO WAS NOT MOSES WILL BUT GODS WILL TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM ,ISAAC ,JACOBS,

    by making Muhammad a prophet of Jehovah you are MOCKING him, you are annulling HIS WORD GIVEN TO Christ AND SO TO HIS DISCIPLES ,

    SO;1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void

    GAL 1:7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

    REV 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

    any one that is not true to the gospel of Christ ,LET HIM BE CURSED ,

    Pierre


    So you agree that being a gentile that Jesus was not sent to you or anyone like you, right?

    Matthew 15:24
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Matthew 10:5-7

    “King James Version (KJV)

    5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Your words with Jesus instead of Moses:

    wen are you going to understand that Jesus was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?[/quote]
    bod

    Quote
    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    where does it say that ??


    You said that it was the Will of Jehovah for Moses to commit or order the death of thousands.

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    If you were being truthful and confident you would just say yes

    #270504
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,21:07)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,13:55)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,16:32)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,05:37)
    You don't love Jehovah if He creates evil and murder?


    bod

    wen are you going to understand that Moses was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE, GOT IT ,NO MUSLIMS,NO EGYPTIANS,(EVEN THAT SOME JOINT WITH THEM)

    WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO DO WAS NOT MOSES WILL BUT GODS WILL TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM ,ISAAC ,JACOBS,

    by making Muhammad a prophet of Jehovah you are MOCKING him, you are annulling HIS WORD GIVEN TO Christ AND SO TO HIS DISCIPLES ,

    SO;1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void

    GAL 1:7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    1PE 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

    REV 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

    any one that is not true to the gospel of Christ ,LET HIM BE CURSED ,

    Pierre


    So you agree that being a gentile that Jesus was not sent to you or anyone like you, right?

    Matthew 15:24
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Matthew 10:5-7

    “King James Version (KJV)

    5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Your words with Jesus instead of Moses:

    wen are you going to understand that Jesus was send to the people of Jehovah NOT ANYONE ELSE

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?


    bod

    Quote
    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    where does it say that ??[/quote]
    You said that it was the Will of Jehovah for Moses to commit or order the death of thousands.

    So you also believe that it was the will of Jehovah for Moses to Murder, right?

    If you were being truthful and confident you would just say yes


    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre

    #270509
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,14:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,10:07)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,09:43)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:08)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    We can be friendly while we debate important issues but of course you could not be my actual friend, what kind of friend mocks you and attacks how you worship God. That's no friend at all.

    You see Friends can debate an issue but that's not what you do, you throw out false allegations, deny common knowledge, manipulate, deceive and attack.

    Someone like Mike for example doesn't believe in all that I believe and we debate it but he never found a need to Mock or be unjust towards me and nobody has to do that because it is your belief and love in God that you should be displaying not your disdain and hatred for everything you don't understand.

    Stu who mocks religion is an unbeliever and your (forum)behaviour is worse than his


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that Mike “can” be your friend?
    Or are you just saying this to take a poke at me?

    B'shem
    YHVH


    Why couldn't Mike be my friend? He is not mocking me although we debate issues, he is not being slanderous and really who needs to be slanderous to speak truth to power in-fact I can honestly say that people like you and Pierre have been my biggest help in showing the flaws in thinking that many people have because you guys say so many false things:

    Say: The truth has come, and the falsehood shall vanish and shall not come back.  
    (  سورة سبأ  , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #49)

    Sura #17

    81 And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing (thing).


    Hi BD,

    Sorry BD, but the false god of the 'book of fraud' is destine to perish from YHVH's creation.
    “YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble,
    and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not
    made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth
    , and from under these heavens.” (Jer.10:10-11)

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)

    #270616
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,14:15)
    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre


    You're funny.

    I said Moses did it you said God told him to

    I say God told him to and you say that puts God below men

    So I guess the question is how did those 3000 people die?

    I am glad you have made these answers it proves so much of what I have been saying about people like you who don't even know God but preach God to others.

    #270618
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,14:44)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,14:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,10:07)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,09:43)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,09:08)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,03:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,16:00)
    Hi BD, what do you say about this one?

    Quote
    Sura 5:51
       O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:
    they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them
    for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own
    and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    Your answer is in verse Surah 5:57-58 just a little more reading and understanding comes ED

    57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).  

    58 When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that YOU can't be my friend
    because I reject the 'book of fraud' and
    the counterfeit god that it describes?

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    We can be friendly while we debate important issues but of course you could not be my actual friend, what kind of friend mocks you and attacks how you worship God. That's no friend at all.

    You see Friends can debate an issue but that's not what you do, you throw out false allegations, deny common knowledge, manipulate, deceive and attack.

    Someone like Mike for example doesn't believe in all that I believe and we debate it but he never found a need to Mock or be unjust towards me and nobody has to do that because it is your belief and love in God that you should be displaying not your disdain and hatred for everything you don't understand.

    Stu who mocks religion is an unbeliever and your (forum)behaviour is worse than his


    Hi BD,

    Are you saying that Mike “can” be your friend?
    Or are you just saying this to take a poke at me?

    B'shem
    YHVH


    Why couldn't Mike be my friend? He is not mocking me although we debate issues, he is not being slanderous and really who needs to be slanderous to speak truth to power in-fact I can honestly say that people like you and Pierre have been my biggest help in showing the flaws in thinking that many people have because you guys say so many false things:

    Say: The truth has come, and the falsehood shall vanish and shall not come back.  
    (  سورة سبأ  , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #49)

    Sura #17

    81 And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing (thing).


    Hi BD,

    Sorry BD, but the false god of the 'book of fraud' is destine to perish from YHVH's creation.
    “YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble,
    and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not
    made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth
    , and from under these heavens.” (Jer.10:10-11)

    B'shem (in the Name of)
    YHVH (the everlasting God)


    The only thing is God did create the heavens and earth and you are talking about the same God.

    Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Him ye have neither patron nor helper.
    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #107)

    They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a son” :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.
    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #116)

    Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255)

    Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): “Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.
    ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #191)

    #270624
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD, why do you post all these different versions of the Qur'an?

    Quote
    Al-Baqara, Aal-e-Imran, Saba, Al-Hashr, Al-Araf


    Is this because you can't find “one” that you can count on?

    .

    #270634
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2012,03:26)
    Hi BD, why do you post all these different versions of the Qur'an?

    Quote
    Al-Baqara, Aal-e-Imran, Saba, Al-Hashr, Al-Araf


    Is this because you can't find “one” that you can count on?

    .


    Hi Ed

    Thanks for asking but those names you listed are not versions of the Quran they are the titles in Arabic of the chapters

    Chapter 2 in english is “The Cow” in Arabic it is “Al-Baqura

    Chapter 3 in english is “The family of Imran” in Arabic it is Aal-e-Imran, …etc

    It's like when I keep explaining to you in english you say “The God” in Arabic it is “ALLAH” not some different God

    1.Al-Fatihah (The Opening)
    2.Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
    3.Al-Imran (The Family of Amran)
    4.An-Nisa (The Women)
    5.Maidah (The Food)
    6.Al-Anam (The Cattle)
    7.Al-Araf (The Elevated Places)
    8.Al-Anfal (Voluntary Gifts)
    9.Al-Baraat (The Immunity)
    10.Al-Yunus (Jonah)
    11.Al-Hud (Hud)
    12.Al-Yusuf (Joseph)
    13.Al-Rad (The Thunder)
    14.Al-Ibrahim (Abraham)
    15.Al-Hijr (The Rock)
    16.Al-Nahl (The Bee)
    17.Bani Israil (The Israelites)
    18.Al-Kahf (The Cave)
    19.Al-Maryam (Mary)
    20.Ta Ha (Ta Ha)
    21.Al-Anbiya (The Prophets)
    22.Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)
    23.Al-Muminun (The Believers)
    24.An-Nur (The Light)
    25.Al-Furqan (The Discrimination)
    26.Al-Shuara (The Poets)
    27.Al-Naml (The Naml)
    28.Al-Qasas (The Narrative)
    29.Al-Ankabut (The Spider)
    30.Ar-Rum (The Romans)
    31.Luqman (Luqman)
    32.Al-Sajdah (The Adoration)
    33.Al-Ahzab (The Allies)
    34.Al-Saba (The Saba)
    35.Al-Fatir (The Originator)
    36.Ya Sin (Ya Sin)
    37.Al-Saffat (Those Ranging in Ranks)
    38.Sad (Sad)
    39.Az-Zumar (The Companies)
    40.Al-Mumin (The Believer)
    41.Ha Mim (Ha Mim)
    42.Ash-Shura (Counsel)
    43.Az-Zukhruf (Gold)
    44.Ad-Dukhan (The Drought)
    45.Al-Jathiyah (The Kneeling)
    46.Al-Ahqaf (The Sandhills)
    47.Muhammad (Muhammad)
    48.Al-Fath (The Victory)
    49.Al-Hujurat (The Apartments)
    50.Qaf (Qaf)
    51.Al-Dhariyat (The Scatterers)
    52.At-Tur (The Mountain)
    53.An-Najm (The Star)
    54.Al-Qamar (The Moon)
    55.Ar-Rahman (The Beneficent)
    56.Al-Waqiah (The Event)
    57.Al-Hadid (Iron)
    58.Al-Mujadilah (The Pleading Woman)
    59.Al-Hashr (The Banishment)
    60.Al-Mumtahanah (The Woman who is Examined)
    61.As-Saff (The Ranks)
    62.Al-Jumuah (The Congregation)
    63.Al-Munafiqun (The Hypocrites)
    64.At-Taghabun (The Manifestation of Losses)
    65.At-Talaq (Divorce)
    66.At-Tahrim (The Prohibition)
    67.Al-Mulk (The Kingdom)
    68.Al-Qalam (The Pen)
    69.Al-Haqqah (The Sure Truth)
    70.Al-Maarij (The Ways of Ascent)
    71.Nuh (Noah)
    72.Al-Jinn (The Jinn)
    73.Al-Muzzammil (The One Covering Himself)
    74.Al-Muddaththir (The One Wrapping Himself Up)
    75.Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection)
    76.Al-Insan (The Man)
    77.Al-Mursalat (Those Sent Forth)
    78.An-Naba (The Announcement)
    79.An-Naziat (Those Who Yearn)
    80.Abasa (He Frowned)
    81.At-Takwir (The Folding Up)
    82.Al-Infitar (The Cleaving)
    83.At-Tatfif (Default in Duty)
    84.Al-Inshiqaq (The Bursting Asunder)
    85.Al-Buruj (The Stars)
    86.At-Tariq (The Comer by Night)
    87.Al-Ala (The Most High)
    88.Al-Ghashiyah (The Overwhelming Event)
    89.Al-Fajr (The Daybreak)
    90.Al-Balad (The City)
    91.Ash-Shams (The Sun)
    92.Al-Lail (The Night)
    93.Ad-Duha (The Brightness of the Day)
    94.Al-Inshirah (The Expansion)
    95.At-Tin (The Fig)
    96.Al-Alaq (The Clot)
    97.Al-Qadr (The Majesty)
    98.Al-Bayyinah (The Clear Evidence)
    99.Al-Zilzal (The Shaking)
    100.Al-Adiyat (The Assaulters)
    101.Al-Qariah (The Calamity)
    102.At-Takathur (The Abundance of Wealth)
    103.Al-Asr (The Time)
    104.Al-Humazah (The Slanderer)
    105.Al-Fil (The Elephant)
    106.Al-Quraish (The Quraish)
    107.Al-Maun (Acts of Kindness)
    108.Al-Kauthar (The Abundance of Good)
    109.Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers)
    110.An-Nasr (The Help)
    111.Al-Lahab (The Flame)
    112.Al-Ikhlas (The Unity)
    113.Al-Falaq (The Dawn)
    114.An-Nas (The Men)

    #270638
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,09:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,14:15)
    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre


    You're funny.

    I said Moses did it you said God told him to

    I say God told him to and you say that puts God below men

    So I guess the question is how did those 3000 people die?

    I am glad you have made these answers it proves so much of what I have been saying about people like you who don't even know God but preach God to others.


    bod

    what 3000 people ???

    scriptures

    Pierre

    #270639
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2012,06:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,09:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,14:15)
    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre


    You're funny.

    I said Moses did it you said God told him to

    I say God told him to and you say that puts God below men

    So I guess the question is how did those 3000 people die?

    I am glad you have made these answers it proves so much of what I have been saying about people like you who don't even know God but preach God to others.


    bod

    what 3000 people ???

    scriptures

    Pierre


    Exodus 32:26-28

    King James Version (KJV)

    26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

    27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

    28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

    #270642
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,13:34)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2012,06:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,09:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,14:15)
    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre


    You're funny.

    I said Moses did it you said God told him to

    I say God told him to and you say that puts God below men

    So I guess the question is how did those 3000 people die?

    I am glad you have made these answers it proves so much of what I have been saying about people like you who don't even know God but preach God to others.


    bod

    what 3000 people ???

    scriptures

    Pierre


    Exodus 32:26-28

    King James Version (KJV)

    26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

    27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

    28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


    bod

    Ex 32:19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

    is it about this ??

    and so result in ;27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side

    Pierre

    #270648
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2012,06:46)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,13:34)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2012,06:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2012,09:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2012,14:15)
    bod

    If I say yes to that that would be placing God below men ,does God commit murder ??

    Pierre


    You're funny.

    I said Moses did it you said God told him to

    I say God told him to and you say that puts God below men

    So I guess the question is how did those 3000 people die?

    I am glad you have made these answers it proves so much of what I have been saying about people like you who don't even know God but preach God to others.


    bod

    what 3000 people ???

    scriptures

    Pierre


    Exodus 32:26-28

    King James Version (KJV)

    26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

    27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

    28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


    bod

    Ex 32:19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

    is it about this ??

    and so result in ;27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side

    Pierre


    However you arrive at the reason, who killed these people?

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