Just brought to my attention

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,19:55)

So you agree then, the quran teaches cultural hatred, right?

Why are you like this, Ed? That is CLEARLY NOT what Asana said or agreed to.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

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Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.

B'shem
YHVH

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 29 2011,19:41)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,12:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 29 2011,18:54) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2011,11:40) Hi BD, Do you deny that muslims are taught to behead Christians? B'shem YHVH Yes, I deny that Muslims are taught to behead anyone except those they are fighting in war but these regions where people kill one another are not about Biblical or Quranic idea they are about cultural hatred When Jerusalem was conquered on the 15th of July 1099 by the Crusaders who were also known as the Christian Knights, more than 60,000 inhabitants, both Jewish and Muslim, were slaughtered in cold blood. In the words of one witness …there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes, and after that “happily and crying for joy” our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude. The Archbishop of Tyre, who was also an eye-witness, wrote that: It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished. http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archive….muslims bod we do not talking about wars ,and battles ,but about sadism in killing ,murders , genocides this was done to any people that did not accept Islam as master ,I have showed you the Koran verses that says to kill the unbelievers you are BIAS and you want us to have a good view toward Islam ?? you try to deceive everyone here ,it is almost insulting the way you acting,in your presentation, Pierre When Christian or Jews have killed each other weren,'t they believing in the same God?

bod

is it because my fellow men kills some one ,now this give me the right to go and do some killing myself ?

If your Muslims were in Fact true to the God of Abraham they would not invade others and kill peaceful people ,

if some one take the name of Christ to do crimes i believe you should be smart enough to understand what is going on,but being BIAS you do not care just want to justify your religion.

Christ teachings do not allow for this, he says to love your enemy,his kingdom is not a part of this world ,why would any true Christian fight for any other kingdom

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,13:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,19:55) So you agree then, the quran teaches cultural hatred, right? Why are you like this, Ed?    That is CLEARLY NOT what Asana said or agreed to.

Hi Mike

I don't think ED or Pierre can even help (Without asking for the help of God) the way they Understand or Perceive.

They don't for the most part present arguments based upon anything more than their own Extreme biases.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,20:31)

Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.

What has that to do with “cultural hatred”, Ed?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,20:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,19:55) So you agree then, the quran teaches cultural hatred, right? Why are you like this, Ed?    That is CLEARLY NOT what Asana said or agreed to.

Mike

Bod is a deceiver he will deny any wrong doing by his religion even went it is proven to him,

and the Koran say that the Muslim believer is the one that Allah approves and all other have to be submitted to him,(meaning to the religion of Islam)and only will be tolerated as slaves and second rate citizen ,or be killed in the name of Allah would this no be a human sacrifice ??to their god ?

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2011,13:31)

Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. B'shem YHVH

Hi Ed,

This is why I said you don't believe in the God you say you worship because it is that very same God who said to KILL Idolaters so why reject “your own” God

Leviticus 26:30
And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Are you rejecting now even the word of God?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,20:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,20:31) Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. What has that to do with “cultural hatred”, Ed?

Mike

ok ;what about the catholic culture is their a thing like that or it is the religion indoctrination that makes your culture ??

what do you think is a culture ??

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,13:41)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,20:07) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,19:55) So you agree then, the quran teaches cultural hatred, right? Why are you like this, Ed?    That is CLEARLY NOT what Asana said or agreed to. Mike Bod is a deceiver he will deny any wrong doing by his religion even went it is proven to him, and the Koran say that the Muslim believer is the one that Allah approves and all other have to be submitted to him,(meaning to the religion of Islam)and only will be tolerated as slaves and second rate citizen ,or be killed in the name of Allah would this no be a human sacrifice ??to their god ? Pierre

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the sabians, christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)

The Quran is not calling Christians unbelievers but some Christians fight against believers and they are wrong in doing so The Quran says God will bless any who Believe and work righteousness

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 29 2011,20:41)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2011,13:31) Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. B'shem YHVH Hi Ed, This is why I said you don't believe in the God you say you worship because it is that very same God who said to KILL Idolaters so why reject “your own” God Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Are you rejecting now even the word of God?

bod

see again not understanding by refusal,

the law in Israel is now with Christ done with so need more understanding what seems you do not have ,

the principles of the law are good and help you personalty to protect yourself from those who are evil ,

do you not know that bad company corrupt good habits and so endanger your own safety ,

so do not mix with those who practice evil,

Pierre

[terraricca]

bod

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Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)

this is deceit in full flesh; any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, ;;;it says in Allah not in Jehovah ,and the righteousness is not explained because it is the righteousness of and describe in the Koran that is understood, NOT IN THE BIBLE AND SO NOT THE PREACHING S OF CHRIST .

SEE ALL THAT IS THE DECEIVER ,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,13:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,20:31) Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. What has that to do with “cultural hatred”, Ed?

Hi Mike,

Teaching Hatred of Christians and Jews in Muslim Schools in the U.K.  (Link)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,13:51)

bod see again not understanding by refusal, the law in Israel is now with Christ done with so need more understanding what seems you do not have , the principles of the law are good and help you personalty to protect yourself from those who are evil , do you not know that bad company corrupt good habits and so endanger your own safety , so do not mix with those who practice evil, Pierre

Christ did not say he came to remove the law if that were true why did Peter whom He put in charge have a problem with preaching to the UNCIRCUMCISED and Paul decided he would preach to the uncircumcised and the original disciples would preach to the circumcised.

The people that Paul preached to i.e. gentiles never had the Law so they were not under the Law to begin with so Paul said “why burden them with it”

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,13:57)

this is deceit in full flesh;  any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, ;;;it says in Allah not in Jehovah ,and the righteousness is not explained because it is the righteousness of and describe  in the Koran that is understood, NOT IN THE BIBLE AND SO NOT THE PREACHING S OF CHRIST . SEE ALL THAT IS THE DECEIVER , Pierre

Hey ED

Can you show me one single reference to the word Jehovah in the entire NT? No, you cannot! Do you remember this?:

Matthew 6:9
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Ed only these modern Christians run around trying to guess how to say and spell the Sacred 4 letters, why do you think JESUS never mentioned the Name even the Most educated Jews today will only call the name Hashem which means “The Name” If Muhammad would not have been running around talking about what he should not so He says “The God” Jesus used the word “Father and God” Muslims use a Word similar to Abba and it is Rabb but If God has a Sacred Name why do you feel so anxious to use it for common purposes even in argument you treat it quite Unholy

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2011,13:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,13:39) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2011,20:31) Hi Mike, Quote Sura 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. What has that to do with “cultural hatred”, Ed? Hi Mike, Teaching Hatred of Christians and Jews in Muslim Schools in the U.K.  (Link) B'shem YHVH

ED,

Nobody disagrees that cultural hatred is wrong especially mixed with religion but in the link it admits you won't find their teachings in the Quran but in America many racist Christians use to teach all sorts of terrible things about Blacks in some cases they even made up scientific lies.

In germany many untrue things were taught about the Jews one being that they like to use Christian childrens blood for consuption.

Now that we disagree that this kind of thing is wrong from any side of our discussion perhaps you won't burden us by spreading such misinformation and also you should note that this is not what they teach children as a whole in the U.K.

I just wish you had some genuine arguments slandering someone elses religion is not disproving it.

[mikeboll64]

Asana,

I am a Christian. And when I see on the news some so-called Christian organization doing something against Christianity, giving all Christians a bad name, I can honestly say that I, as a Christian, have no part with them.

Is that also what you're saying? Because it seems to me that Ed and Pierre are not posting atrocities and hate that “some so-called Muslims” do. It seems that they are posting what is the OFFICIAL stance of Muslims as a whole, including hating Jews and killing those who don't believe as they do.

They are posting words straight out of the Quran that speak of killing other human beings. I don't remember any of that being required by Jesus Christ.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 30 2011,03:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,13:57) this is deceit in full flesh;  any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, ;;;it says in Allah not in Jehovah ,and the righteousness is not explained because it is the righteousness of and describe  in the Koran that is understood, NOT IN THE BIBLE AND SO NOT THE PREACHING S OF CHRIST . SEE ALL THAT IS THE DECEIVER , Pierre Hey ED Can you show me one single reference to the word Jehovah in the entire NT? No, you cannot! Do you remember this?: Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Ed only these modern Christians run around trying to guess how to say and spell the Sacred 4 letters, why do you think JESUS never mentioned the Name even the Most educated Jews today will only call the name Hashem which means “The Name” If Muhammad would not have been running around talking about what he should not so He says “The God” Jesus used the word “Father and God” Muslims use a Word similar to Abba and it is Rabb but If God has a Sacred Name why do you feel so anxious to use it for common purposes even in argument you treat it quite Unholy

Hey Pierre, oops I mean BD,

God's name (יהוה) is written 6823 times in the Hebrew old Testament Bible,
are you forgetting that the New Testament was written in Greek?

When Jesus stood in the temple and read the Scripture,
what Scripture do you think he read from?

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2011,19:37)

God's name (יהוה) is written 6823 times in the Hebrew old Testament Bible

Ed, what do you think of the new “Divine Name King James Bible”?  Pretty groovy, huh?   They restored the divine name 6972 times.

See it here.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,11:37)

Asana, I am a Christian.  And when I see on the news some so-called Christian organization doing something against Christianity, giving all Christians a bad name, I can honestly say that I, as a Christian, have no part with them. Is that also what you're saying?  Because it seems to me that Ed and Pierre are not posting atrocities and hate that “some so-called Muslims” do.  It seems that they are posting what is the OFFICIAL stance of Muslims as a whole, including hating Jews and killing those who don't believe as they do. They are posting words straight out of the Quran that speak of killing other human beings.  I don't remember any of that being required by Jesus Christ.

The Quran always insists on only attack those who are attacking you and when they cease you should cease. There was of course a time such as the Christian Crusades when this consisted primarily of Christians on a campaign to kill Muslims at all cost also earlier Jews also wished to terminate the Muslims.

But any talk of killing or harming noncombatants is evil

And if you look at the history of Christianity it is filled with tons of blood even to other Christian groups. Catholics fighting Protestants …etc and each group claims to be led by the Holy Spirit

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2011,12:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 30 2011,03:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,13:57) this is deceit in full flesh;  any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, ;;;it says in Allah not in Jehovah ,and the righteousness is not explained because it is the righteousness of and describe  in the Koran that is understood, NOT IN THE BIBLE AND SO NOT THE PREACHING S OF CHRIST . SEE ALL THAT IS THE DECEIVER , Pierre Hey ED Can you show me one single reference to the word Jehovah in the entire NT? No, you cannot! Do you remember this?: Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Ed only these modern Christians run around trying to guess how to say and spell the Sacred 4 letters, why do you think JESUS never mentioned the Name even the Most educated Jews today will only call the name Hashem which means “The Name” If Muhammad would not have been running around talking about what he should not so He says “The God” Jesus used the word “Father and God” Muslims use a Word similar to Abba and it is Rabb but If God has a Sacred Name why do you feel so anxious to use it for common purposes even in argument you treat it quite Unholy Hey Pierre, oops I mean BD, God's name (יהוה) is written 6823 times in the Hebrew old Testament Bible, are you forgetting that the New Testament was written in Greek? When Jesus stood in the temple and read the Scripture, what Scripture do you think he read from? B'shem (in the Name of) YHVH (the everlasting God)

You didn't answer my question. How many times is the name Jehovah or any derivitive mentioned in the NT?

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