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Proclaimer, Jesus was the messenger, that God sent to show John his servant who recorded it and took it to the Churches. There was no angelic being involved ,
The word Angel, means “messenger” there, and Jesus is and was God’s “messenger”, to mankind.
Hi Gene,
You are not in the position to speak and preach
JESUS’SPIRITUAL TASKS! SIMPLY BECAUSE BOTH YOU AND Jodi are
CARNALLY MINDED PERSONS, WHICH MEANS
NOT OF GOD! WITH EVERY RESPECT!
Romans 8:THERE is now therefore no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, (spiritual life on earth)
who walk not according to the flesh.
2For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh; God sending his own Son, in the likeness of sinful flesh and of sin, hath condemned sin in the flesh; ….
6For the wisdom of the flesh is death;
but the wisdom of the spirit is
life and peace.
7Because the wisdom of the flesh is an enemy to God;
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither can it be.
8And they who are in the flesh,(attention Jodi, and Gene here it comes)
cannot please God.
Now Gene to your
CARNAL REASONING:
YOU:REV 1:1…..The revelation of Jesus Christ,
which “God” gave him,
Gene, the above is a clear declaration that God the Father
gave Jesus THE REVELATION! GOT IT?NO YOU ARE BLIND AND CARNALLY MINDED!
GOD THE FATHER NEVER GAVE HIM
HIS REVELATION BUT
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST!
OK? MR Gene!
Now why did God the Father gave
JESUS, THE REVELATION OF GOD THE FATHER,
JESUS CHRIST
THE FATHER OF THE WORLD TO COME
THE MIGHTY GOD Isaiah 9:6
unique in FLESH AS MUCH AS IN SPIRIT!
VERY SIMPLE AS SINCE THE WORLD WAS
PHYSICAL, GOD THE FATHER WAS NOT THE TRUE MANIFESTED GOD ON EARTH EXCEPT
IN JESUS CHRIST!
THUS SINCE ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN AND MANIFESTED
GOD’S GENERAL TASKS AND DIED FOR THEM.
HE IS THE SOLE SOVEREIGN OVER ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION,
CREATED BY THE FATHER IN “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN
THE PHYSICAL ASPECT OF GOD’S KINGDOM AND
ITS LIFE ETERNAL John17:2 n
Now to the truth:
in the next post
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..AGAIN you change text to meet your false trinitarian teachings, it says “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which “GOD GAVE UNTO HIM”, to show unto his servants”…… IT dosen’t take a genius to clearly understand what that says, only a deluded mind couldn’t “clearly” understand that.
You call me and Jodi carnel, and were in no position to say anything, and yet you change our scriptures at will, to push, your own unscriptural believes, changing nearly everything written in our scriptures everytime you post. Your calling us Carnel and acting like your Spritual here, is a joke at best, pure garbage. The truth is you know less about the real truth in our scriptures then anyone else posting here does. What makes you think, you are in a position to tell us what our scriptures say, that’s pure garbage, Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Brean …..Most of what Carmel writes is not part garbage it is “pure garbage.” he wants us to believe he is somehow more qualified to explain scriptures then we are , that’s a joke at best, for someone who changes the text nearly everytime he posts, and doesn’t even understand what he reads in it.
Berean, “wide is the way that leads to destruction” , following Alone with what he is saying will lead you to hell and destruction. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
I fellow the WORD OF GOD, not a man
unitarians are not in the proper understanding of who Jesus really is
It’s not today
Jesus, his name is CALLED
THE WORD OF GOD
THIS IS THE TRUTH
I DO NOT LIE GODMost of what Carmel writes is not part garbage it is “pure garbage.” he wants us to believe he is somehow more qualified to explain scriptures then we are
I think you explained yourself here Gene. Lol.
Proclaimer, Jesus was the messenger, that God sent to show John his servant who recorded it and took it to the Churches. There was no angelic being involved ,
The word Angel, means “messenger” there, and Jesus is and was God’s “messenger”, to mankind.
That is possible, but you have to believe the following verse is talking about Jesus.
And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!
Is this Jesus? Because Jesus is worshipped in Heaven.
Proclaimer……yes that messenger mentioned there is Jesus, and please notice after that was said , it says verse 9 “then” “he ” , said to me that is the same person speaking that was speaking in verse 7,
Notice in verse 9, where it says, I am thy “fellowservant” and of thy “brethern” the “prophets”
AN angel could never say he was of our “brethern” , they are not “phophets” , but scripture tell us Jesus was exactly that.
Now put that altogether, and reread it and you will see it was Jesus talking all the way through to verse 13, to John, trinitarians try to make it appear as if another person was talking to John m but in fact it was the “man” Jesus , who was , a servant and messenger, of God the Father.
That even fits in with Rev 1:1.
Also Notice , Jesus is called God’s servant in
Isa 42 : 1….. BEHOLD MY “SERVANT” , who I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles.
Isa 53:13….BEHOLD, MY “SERVANT” shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be “very high”.
You can easely see where Jesus is also called a “SERVANT” of God .
Proclaimer open yourself up to what both Jodi and I are telling you, your site can be used by God to bear wittines to the whole world, of the truth. They will all hate you , just as the hated Jesus, but your reward will great, because you will have made a stand for the truth , and are able to publish it, Satan hates this site, because the truth is being shown here, but you are surpresssing it, so what good does it do if you are not getting on board with it? , Jodi and I are speaking the truth from the Spirit of truth given us by God the Father, to you.
I am old and tired , don’t know how much time I have left, don’t worry about how many God will draw to this site, it may be the way He will use you as a last minitue wittines to the whole world.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Berean. …..I worship God the Father as my God , and him only do I worship as my God , I bow my knee to Jesus as the head of the family of God the Father of which I am a member of, but I bow to him, to the glory of, God the Father , not to God the Son, as you do.
I have prayed to God the Father, for you to get the “courage” to question some of the things you have been taught in the past. Let’s see how that works?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Jésus said
I and my Father are ONE
Hebrews 1
And again, when he(God) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel…..AGAIN you change text to meet your false trinitarian teachings, it says “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which “GOD GAVE UNTO HIM”, to show unto his servants”…… IT dosen’t take a genius to clearly understand what that says, only a deluded mind couldn’t “clearly” understand that.
You call me and Jodi carnel, and were in no position to say anything, and yet you change our scriptures at will, to push, your own unscriptural believes, changing nearly everything written in our scriptures everytime you post. Your calling us Carnel and acting like your Spritual here, is a joke at best, pure garbage. The truth is you know less about the real truth in our scriptures then anyone else posting here does. What makes you think, you are in a position to tell us what our scriptures say, that’s pure garbage, Carmel.
ALL THE ABOVE Gene is your
CARNAL REASONING
THE ONLY LANGUAGE YOU ARE CAPABLE TO PREACH.
SIMPLY
BLA, BLA, AND BLA!
YOU PRODUCED NOT EVEN ONE WORD NEVER MIND A COMPLETE VERSE FROM MY POST AND CONTRADICTED ME AND
USED SCRIPTURE IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY YOUR SAYINGS OR RATHER.
YOUR LIES,
with respect to your behavior, when you simply just post to quench your thirst, and not even prove specifically what you consider yourself the truth, and not reply accordingly in relation to what you are asked, or received in respect of your post.
THE FACT THAT YOU DID NOT PRODUCE ANY!
UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE AND MENTALITY WHEN YOU CRITICISE OTHERS AND BE DECENT ENOUGH, SPECIFIC, AND INDICATIVE TO MAKE YOURSELF CLEAR OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF GENERALLY SPEAKING IN RELATION TO ALL THE PARTICULAR POST, SIMPLY TO HIDE YOUR POOR KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS IN RELATION TO THE MATERIAL OF THE POST, I’M AFRAID,
WITH EVERY RESPECT, YOU ARE
SIMPLY PROVING HOW MUCH YOUR TALKING IS USELESS TIME- WASTING AND
VOID consequently
MINE STANDS AS TRUTH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Carmel……What truth , you can’t ever quote a scripture without changing the context , when you do you, change it’s meaning also, to fit your false teachings. Do you really think I am the only one here that doesn’t know that? Talk about the kettle calling the pot black, you of all here should not criticize others here. IMO
Your God is Jesus , our God is the same God That Jesus has. You know?, the one that Jesus said this about, “this is etenal life“they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true God, and Jesus who “YOU” have sent” but you don’t believe him do you? Your tritarian teachings is a teaching of pure Idolatry. You have made Jesus your object of Worship, as your God. Instead of worshiping the one true God Jesus told you to worship?
I realize Satan Uses his decieved teachers like you to try to discredit those speaking the truth, but it won’t work, in the end the truth will prevail, then we will see who is “carnel” minded and who is “spritual” minded, won’t we?
I don’t hate you Carmel, but I do hate your false teachings.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Berean…..We are not angels, we are Jesus’ brothers and Sisters in the house hold of God. Jesus is one of us and we are the same as he is, pure 100% human beings. AND WHEN HE RETURNS HE WILL STILL BE A HUMAN BEING, and when we are resurected or changed into our glorified bodies we still will be human sons of God also. We will “judge the angels” , according to scripture.
Berean please go back and read what I have written about Rev 22 : 7-13 I have Ask God the Father, to let you and Proclaimer, understand it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Only the Father is worshipped as God. Jesus is worshipped as the son of God, the Lamb of God, and the only begotten.
King David was worshipped as the king of Israel.
Only one is worshipped as God. Worship can also mean honour and be prostrate before.
Proclaimer……yes that messenger mentioned there is Jesus,
Off the bat, the chances are it s not Jesus based on the fact that you seem to take an opposing view to scripture. You are so consistently wrong that the odds that you might be right here is low.
Besides that, Jesus never refused worship except here if we accept it is Jesus. If not, then it is consistent because angels refuse worship.
Proclaimer, Oxford definition of worship……the highest adoration, and respect for “a deity”. Jesus is a son of man, not a deity.
Jesus said……Mat 4:10…..”then said Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, you shall worship the Lord your God, and him “ONLY” shall you serve”. and again
Luk 4: 8….and Jesus answered and said unto him, Get you behind me, Satan: for it is written , you shall “worship” Lord your God , and him “ONLY” shall you serve. and again ,
Php 3: 3…..For we are the circumcision, which “worship God” in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ (the anointed) Jesus. ,
So what do we do?, we “worship God” and we “rejoice” in the “anointed one” Jesus.
Why did Paul leave out Jesus as an object to worship? No where do you find where Jesus ever told anyone to worship him, but he did tell us to “worship God” And even “how”, God expects us to worship him and it was the same way Jesus worshiped God the Father, and not anyone else, he told us to worship “only God”.
So my point is that the “messenger” mentioned in Rev 22: 8 , was Jesus and he commanded John not to worship him , but worship God the Father.
Both Rev 22 verses 9,, ” then saith him unto me”, and verse 10, “and he said unto me” , show it was the same person speaking to John as in verses, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
To them that have eyes to see, let them see.
Peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Proclaimer, you said “Jesus never refused worship”, thats not true, what did he tell the man who called him Good, “why do you call me good?, “there is none Good, “but one”, and that is God.”
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
Why then would Paul have written this: ???
Hebrews 1: 6 And again, when he brought the firstborn into the world, he said, And all the angels of God worship him.
And why the Magi from the East bowed down and worshiped the baby Jesus:?????
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshiped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.And the disciples of Jésus ALSO:
But when he (Peter) saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
[31] And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
[32] And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
[33] Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.Here the disciples saw the power of the divinity OF THE SON OF GOD … THAT IS WHY HE WORSHIPED IT.
HE WORSHIPED HIM AS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD …. AMEN
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