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Proclaimer, what I said was Jesus didn’t preexist his birth on this earth, as a sentinel being of any kind. , if your going to quote me at least get it right, think you can do that?
What I have said is correct and what you say in your quoted statement is not correct.
I have said that God created everything through the son of God. And God created everything through the Word and Jesus Christ has a name that is the Word of God. Is he Jesus? Yes. Is he the Word of God? Yes.
I haven’t said that Jesus created the world or that God created everything through Jesus. Because I recognise that he was called Jesus when he came in the flesh. (You shall call his name Jesus). Further, that is the Greek rendering of his name too.
So what you said is a lie Gene. You need to repent and that would include an apology if you were genuine about that.
And so, does that mean I reject that Jesus was never with the Father before the universe? No. I agree he likely was not called Jesus before the universe. But ask yourself who said this?
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Proclaimer…..you miss quoted not me only , but OTHER scripture trying to force your belifes on us you “deliberately” leave of parts of scriptures, LIKE trying to make them say they fell down and “worshiped” jesus, when in fact It says they worshiped him who sat on the throne, that was God the Father, not Jesus. You cleverly left that part off, why was that? you have also added words to scriptures that are not written, like saying it says Jesus was “born” before Abraham. NO SCRIPTURE says THAT?
You like the rest force our text to say things that are not being specifically said.
As far as your so-called freewill salvation goes, we have been over that many times, even your own video clearly shows it. But you had rather follow your own “will” In stead of putting it to death, like Jesus our lord did and follow what God the father says.
“for you are saved by “GRACE”, and that not OF YOURSELF, it is a “GIFT” from GOD”.
and again, “For it is “GOD” that “works” “IN” us , “BOTH” to “WILL”, and do of “HIS” good pleasure”. You might call that as meaning we are robots, being programed by God , I call it, the love of God being shed around in our hearts, “CAUSING” us to do “HIS” “WILL”.
Those who keep their so-called “freewills” which are in truth are our own human desires alive will never of themselves Chose God or Jesus Christ , why because they are a God unto themselves, they habg on to their lives and won’t let go , therefore Jesus said, “he that will hold onto “his” life shall “LOSE” IT, he that shall lose it shall “SAVE”IT.
How hard it must be for you to except that Proclaimer? It must be like kicking against the pricks for you. .
If your going to “quote” me, please have the decency to put down “exactly” what I or others say “OK”, NOT your personal renditions of it, like you do our scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Carmel……The word “OF” means “From” . JESUS IS A SON “OF” or “FROM” MANKIND.
The word “THE” is a “definite” article, being specific to the CAUSE. Saying Jesus is “THE” SON OF MAN, means he is just that a “Son from mankind” , he has 100% human DNA.
Unto us (mankind) , a child is “born” , unto us (mankind) “a “son” has been given”.
It does not say a ““preexisting ” being has been given , morphed into a human body, now does it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:Unto us (mankind) , a child is “born” , unto us (mankind) “a “son” has been given”.
Gene, ATTENTION:
unto us a child is
BORN.
THE ABOVE Gene,
IS NOT A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS OK?
IF THE OTHER STATEMENT WAS NOT WRITTEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE A CLEAR REFERENCE
ONLY TO JESUS. BUT SINCE THE OTHER STATEMENT IS WRITTEN
THE FIRST ONE
IT IS MORE A CLEAR REFERENCE TO MARY HIS MOTHER!
AS SHE WAS BORN FIRST AND IN THE TRUTH IDENTICALLY HUMAN!
NOT JESUS! JESUS WAS BORN
IN ALL THINGS
LIKE
HUMANS!
ALSO, JESUS,
THE SON OF GOD,
WAS IN A WAY ONLY
BORN
LIKE HUMANS OR EVEN LIKE ANIMALS.
Now notice what scripture
CLEARLY SAYS:
UNTO US
A SON
HAS BEEN GIVEN
UNTO US
NOW Gene did you notice THE DIFFERENCE???
THAT
BOTH THE TENSE AND ALSO
THE WORD “GIVEN”, IS USED INSTEAD OF BORN! WHY???
NOW READ AGAIN AND ELIMINATE FOR A CHANGE YOUR
CARNAL MIND
SIMPLY, AS YOU ARE READING
THE SPIRITUAL MIND OF GOD!!!
UNTO US
A CHILD ???
IS BORN: PRESENT!!!
A SON
HAS BEEN GIVEN, PRESENT PERFECT TENSE AN ACTION STARTED IN THE PAST!
PRECISELY WHEN JESUS
“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN TO BE
WAS REALLY IN THE TRUTH
HAS BEEN GIVEN
WHEN GOD
PRONOUNCED HIS FIRST EVER
WORD
LET THERE BE LIGHT
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..if you don’t believe it was talking about Jesus, your completely out of it, I really don’t even know a single person who doesn’t know that. You wrong again Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
Please, Compare this passage of Revelation 19 WITH Revelation 22 and you perhaps will see that this is the “angel” sent by Jesus or God that do no want to be worshiped.
Revelation 19
[9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
[10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.Revelation 22
8] And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
[9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.Hi Gene and all,
YOU: Carmel…..if you don’t believe it was talking about Jesus, your completely out of it,
ME: YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT JESUS AND IN THE SAME TIME NOT IN A WAY
REFER ALSO TO THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT HIM INTO THIS PLANET!
THAT SCRIPTURE Gene IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GARDEN!
IT WAS EVE WHO SINNED FIRST! THEN
SHE GAVE BIRTH TO ADAM IN
HER, ALREADY
MORTAL FLESH BODY, ONCE
ADAM BECAME HER SUBJECT,
AND IGNORED THE FACT THAT
HE WAS GOD’S SUBJECT!
GOD SAID TO ADAM:
17And to Adam he said:
Because thou hast hearkened
to the voice of thy wife,(and ignored God’s voice)
and hast eaten of the tree, whereof
I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat,….
ISAIAH SIMPLY MADE IT CLEAR TO ISRAEL THAT NEVER WANTED TO REPENT, THAT
A WOMAN LIKEWISE, WOULD EVENTUALLY BE BORN FIRST
IN AN IMMACULATE FLESH
SINLESS
BY WHICH FLESH
THE OPPOSITE TO EVE’S CURSED FILTHY FLESH,
SHE WOULD GIVE BIRTH TO
A SON
ALSO
IMMACULATE!
DESPITE THE FACT THAT
ISRAEL NEVER WANTED TO REPENT AND BRING FORTH
THE MESSIAH IMMACULATE!
YOU:I really don’t even know a single person who doesn’t know that.
You wrong again Carmel.
ME: WHAT’S THAT GOT TO DO WITH
TRUTH???
WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO Gene, IF YOU
DON’T KNOW A SINGLE PERSON THAT KNOWS
WHAT I KNOW?
IF SCRIPTURE OR ISAIAH OR EVEN GOD, WANTED TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THE WORD
“CHILD”
IS A REFERENCE ONLY TO JESUS,
HE WOULD HAVE MADE SURE OF IT BY SIMPLY
FIRST AND FOREMOST,
NOT PROCLAIM THAT PROPHECY IN THAT MANNER AT ALL,
NEVER MIND USED THE WORD
CHILD! NO?
READ AGAIN THE SCRIPTURE AND LOK FROM THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF SCRIPTURE, IF YOU KNOW HOW. WITH EVERY RESPECT!
SATAN Gene, TOOK HOLD OF THE WOMAN AND MADE HER
HIS ENTITY!
HE HIMSELF IN EVE!
THE WOMAN! CARNAL!
SATAN TOOK THE WOMAN AS HIS ELEMENT IN THE REDEMPTION PROCESS AND TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT
THERE WON’T BE A WOMAN CLEAN ENOUGH, NEVER MIND
IMMACULATE AND IN THE SAME TIME, BE CONCEIVED BY A HUMAN’S SPERM
AS YOU AND Jodi CORRUPTLY BELIEVE AND NEVER BE CONTAMINATED BY HIS FILTHY SEXUAL PROCESS,
THE FACT THAT GOD SAID THOSE MOST POWERFUL WORDS:
READ GENESIS
3:15 I will put enmities
between thee and the woman,
and thy seed and her seed:….
CAN YOU SEE THE TRUTH? NO YOU DON’T YOU HAVE YOUR
SPIRITUAL MIND STAGNATED.
CAN YOU SEE WHO THE
ENMITY IS? NO YOU DON’T!
IT IS “THE WORD” JESUS,
THE SON OF MAN to be
PRECISELY IN
EVE’S HEART, FACE TO FACE WITH SATAN!
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8
NOW READ HEBREWS 4:12For the word of God
is living and effectual,
and more piercing than any two edged sword;
and reaching unto
the division of
the SOUL and the SPIRIT,
of the JOINTS also and the MARROW,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of
the HEART.
THE FACT THAT JESUS CALLED HIS MOTHER
WOMAN!
IT WAS GOD’S TURN IN “THE WORD” JESUS IN MARY’S HEART,
TO HAVE
THE WOMAN! SPIRITUAL!
AS THE FEMALE ENTITY FOR THE NEW COVENANT!
THUS; GOD IN
JESUS “THE WORD” AS A SPIRIT,
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM and ALL FOR HIM!
THROUGH CAIN, SATAN’S FIRSTBORN SON, HE MOVED WITHIN
ALL HEARTS, HIS GENUINE
ABODE!!!
AND MAINTAINED
PURPOSELY
HIS PRIMACY and
CREATED EVERY FIRST, AND EVERY BEGINNING OF WHOM MOST VITAL ARE,
ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, DAVID, AND
MARY THE CHILD IN ISAIAH!
WHERE HE REMAINED IN HER
HEART, DESPITE HE WAS BORN OF HER!
OK Gene, I AM WAITING FOR YOUR NORMAL
BLA, BLA, and BLA!
THAT CHILD IN ISAIAH IS
BOTH a reference to
JESUS and MARY!
SIMPLY AS, I REPEAT:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM!
MARY WAS
THE FIRST WOMAN LIKE ADAM, THE FIRST MAN, TO BE GIVEN
A SOUL FROM GOD!IN THE HOLY GHOST,
A HEART OF FLESH! IN “THE WORD” and
THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CREATION
THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING IN THE TRUTH!
SPIRITUAL NOT CARNAL Gene!!!
BY HER GOD ESTABLISHED HIS NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH
HUMANITY!!!
WHICH HE LOST IN ADAM , OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….the whole fall of mankind was known by God the Father before it ever happened, he knew what man was and what was “in’ man he created him that way for the very purpose that now exists in all the earth. DO you really think God the Father who created mankind didn’t know what he put “in” them? , that they would disobey him?, he even put a catlist in the Garden to speed up the reaction of their disobedience. IT WAS ALL IN THE PLAN OF GOD THE FATHER, FROM THE BEGINNING, HE KNEW IT WAS NEEDFUL FOR MAN TO EXPERIENCE GOOD AND EVIL FOR HIMSELF, from the get go. How could we ever learn for ourselves to hate the Evil and Love the Good, without experencing it ourselves, it makes us “more like God is’ . Do you really think God would have allowed it to continue if it was not for a purpose he wanted for us to learn BY ALL ALONG?
My How some sell short the mind, plan, PURPOSE, and POWER, of GOD, Our HEAVENLY FATHER.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Thank you Jodi.
Jesus was a man like us not a preexistent divine being. Born under the Law He showed it was possible to completely fulfil it thus pleasing his Father. He was reborn of water and the Spirit at the Jordan showing us the way we should follow into the kingdom.
Jodi and Nick…….I agree with that also, that’s the way I see it to. When Jesus said you must eat his flesh and drink his blood, that was an allegorical statement. When we understand that when person eats or drinks something they are “taking it into themselves” then we can understand what Jesus was saying, he was telling we must become exactly like him in our flesh life’s > So, yes it is certainly possible for us all to become exactly like Jesus ourselves, or Jesus would have never told us that, if it was impossible for us to become exactly like him.
The “anointing Spirit” , we have received from God the Father, is able to make us become “exactly” as Jesus himself is in every way. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Jodi and Nick, and all………..gene
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