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Gene seems to always take the opposing view of the simple reading of the text.
If it says that Jesus returned to the glory he had with the Father who is in Heaven, Gene will say he didn’t even exist.
If it says that Jesus was before Abraham, then Gene will say this is not the case.
If it says that God created the universe through the Son of God, then Gene will say that God did not create the universe through him.
He will go as far as opposing you even when you quote scripture verbatim.
He is like a Democrat politician who just denies everything no matter the evidence or proof.
Why are people like that? Because they loved not the truth, so God sends them a delusion.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel……God the Father is not now or ever was Jesus’ servant,
ME:Scripture:
Psalm 110:1 The Lord said to my Lord:
Sit thou at my right hand:
Until I make
thy enemies thy footstool.
Gene in plain simple English the above is declaring
THAT GOD THE FATHER RIGHT NOW AND TILL THE END
OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
in a way or another
IS SERVING JESUS
THE SUPREME RULER OVER ALL THE UNIVERSES.
GOD THE FATHER IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING ALL
JESUS’ ENEMIES
NOT THE FATHER’S ENEMIES OK!
AS
JESUS’ FOOTSTOOL
NOT AS THE FATHER’S FOOTSTOOL Gene,
1Corinthians 15:25
For he (Jesus)
MUST REIGN
until he( GOD THE FATHER)
hath put all his enemies under his feet.
28And when all things shall be
subdued unto him, (JESUS)
then the Son also himself
shall be subject unto him (GOD, THE DEITY)
that put all things under him,
that God ??? ( WHAT IS GOD Gene?)
may be all in all.
IN THE MEANTIME Gene,
JESUS IS NOT A SERVANT OF ANY
ANYMORE BUT
THE SUPREME RULER OVER ALL
WHEN YOU READ REVELATION JESUS CHRIST IS NOT A SERVANT.
UNLESS THE TITLE OF THE FATHER IS MENTIONED,
THE TITLE GOD ALONE IN REVELATION IS ATTRIBUTED TO
JESUS CHRIST AS MUCH AS TO THE FATHER!
John5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life:
so the Son also giveth life
to whom he will. (where is the difference Gene?)
22For neither doth the Father judge any man,
but hath given all judgment to the Son. ( is Jesus a servant here?)
23That all men may honour the Son,
as they honor the Father. ( where is the difference Gene?)
He who honoureth not the Son,
honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him. (this is for you Gene and Jodi)
John16:7 But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go:
for if I go not,
the Paraclete will not come to you;
but if I go,
I will (is Jesus a servant here???)
send him to you. (what is the Father’s task here???)
NOW WHO MADE THE SABBATH??? READ:
Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man (JESUS) is
Lord even of the sabbath.
John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:
Father, the hour is come,
glorify thy Son, that
thy Son may glorify thee.
WHER IS THE DIFFERENCE Gene?
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man is not come to be ministered unto,
but to minister, and to give his life a redemption for many.
Gene, JESUS
ONLY
CAME
TO MINISTER,
SIMPLY SO NOW
HE IS TO BE MINISTERED UNTO!
he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Çarmel……honoring someone is not the same as worshiping them, like a GOD. YES WE ARE TO HONOR JESUS given his position in the family of human son of God, but not worship him as we do God the Father. That kind of worship is reserved for God the Father himself. AND SCRIPTURE SAYS HE GIVES HIS GLORY TO NO MAN. Jesus is a Son of Man, at least he thought he was saying he was over eighty times.
We are told in Revelations to worship GOD, NOT GOD AND JESUS OR THE LAMB OF GOD.
REV 22:9 , TELLS US TO WORSHIP GOD, it dosen’t say worship God and Jesus who was and is his the Fathers messenger, now does it?
But you who turn Jesus into you God are they who worship him as your God. That’s called “idolatry”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer, what I said was Jesus didn’t preexist his birth on this earth, as a sentinel being of any kind. , if your going to quote me at least get it right, think you can do that?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene
The origin of the Son of God goes back to the days of eternity …
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Çarmel……honoring someone is not the same as worshiping them, like a GOD.
ME: READ IN PLAIN SIMPLE CLEAR ENGLISH
23That all men may honour the Son,
AS
they honor the Father.
Gene, AS
IN WHATEVER WAY WE HONOUR THE FATHER
WE HONOUR THE SON!
John 17:10 And ALL my things are thine,
and thine are MINE;
and I AM glorified in them.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……The word honour is not the same as worshiping some one. Yes worshiping includes honour, but worshiping goes beyond honour. Heb 2:7…..it says, God crowned mankind with glory and honour, should we go around worshiping each other?
Worship is reserved for God the Father only, no where in the book of Revelations does it say to worship GOD, and Jesus, or the Lamb of God either, nowhere did Jesus say we are to “worship” him, but he did say God the father seeks people to worship him, in Spirit and truth.
Carmel one big problem here Is people try to make words say what they want them to say, that’s why we need to consider all the scriptures, espically the old Testement, because it is the least tampered with, we need to more be like the Berean’s, who studded the “old Testement” to see if what they were hearing was correct.
Anyway, for me and according to the definition of worship, it is reserved for a “deity”, and to me Jesus was never then or now a deity, he is a Son of Mankind, just as he said he was over 80 times. I personally yeald or bow to athourity, because I believe God placed them and gave them their athourity, but I do not worship them, worship for me is reserved for God the Father “only”.
I will not commit the act of idolatry against my God, by worshiping anyone else but him only. I give honour and glory to THE MAN Jesus, as long as he follows the “WILL” of the “one” and only true God.
Carmel, why not do exactly what Jesus did, you say you believe in him, so tell me who did he “worship” , it was not himself , it was God the Father who he worshiped in Spirit and truth. And told us to also. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Berean. ….God had his plan before he ever started creating anything, on this earth, he purposed it and even brought it all about, the son of man, Jesus, was predestined by God, as well as we were to. GOD nor Jesus ever made Jesus to be different then a human being exactly like we are in “every” way, the I only ones who try to seperate Jesus from his brothers and sisters is you people, Jesus sure didn’t do that, neither did God the Father either, Jesus is exactly what God the Father has in mind for us all. For them who has eyes to see.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
HEBREWS 10
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he(Son of God) cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:1- Jesus came down from heaven to do not his will, but the will of the one who sent him (his Father)
2 – as Hebrews 10 says, God formed him a body …..
To the Philippians also it was written:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:3- And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
4- I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
5 – Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person (Father), and upholding all things (The Son) by the word of his power, when he had BY HIMSELF purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Gene seems to always take the opposing view of the simple reading of the text.
How true Proclaimer…
FreeWill doesn’t mean freewill, worship doesn’t mean worship.
It is sad really; well maybe Gene doesn’t really have a “FreeWill” ???
Edj……How can you say that?, I agree a lot with what Jodi says, also there were others here I have agreed with in the past , before they were kicked off, I have even agree with some of the things you have said in the past. So your and Proclaimers portrial of me is an outright lie.
Here’s a complete site that agrees with most of what I have said “Focus on the Kingdom” , there are others also. But then people did the same thing to Jesus, when he spoke the truth to them, why should I expect any different treatment?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Berean……God formed me a body to, so how does that make me any different the Jesus’ body. That God gave him?
Borean tell me , what do you think Satan Would want us all to think, all of humanity? He does not want us to see Jesus as a ordinary human the God the Father took from his human creation, and perfected him and Glorified and honored him, showing God the Fathers work in his human creation, a work t h e each of us can attain to. So how do you think he achieved that ?, by making Jesus “appear” different then the rest of humanity, that was his goal right from the start , to do two thing , one remove Jesus from his human roots, how?, by turning him into a God, and having people “worship” him as a God. Why, because it would cause humanity not see their own destiny in the family of God the Father, of all humanity, including “the man, Jesus”.
You have bought into the biggest “LIE” ever Fostered on humanity. You are definitely not alone, there are “many” who believe like you, and others here do.
I am not trying to cast a stumbling block here Berean, I just want you and others to take a closer look at what we have all been told over the years.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Carmel…..All thing are mine to and Jesus’ and your also.,
“in that he says , he has put “all” things under the foot of man, there is “nothing” that is not put under him, (mankind) . Not angels, nor a previous existing Jesus not even Satan, but “mankind” Jesus is a human being so he can say “all” thing are mine, so can you and I say that to. That is if you believe God’s words. Written in our scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours…. …..gene
Gene
IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO OPEN YOUR EYES
JESUS SAYS THAT HE COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN. ….WHAT IS THE HEAVEN FOR YOU?
OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
…..
Hi Gene,
YOU: Anyway, for me and according to the definition of worship, it is reserved for a “deity”, and to me, Jesus was never then or now a deity,
he is a Son of Mankind, just as he said he was over 80 times.
Gene,
SO ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN ATTITUDE,
“Anyway, for me”….. and to me, …..
YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH ANYMORE NOW!
BUT
TO YOUR CARNAL UNDERSTANDINGS
WHICH IS BOTH NOT OF GOD, AND AN ENEMY OF GOD!
WE NEVER READ IN SCRIPTURE:
JESUS IS A
SON OF MANKIND!
JESUS HIMSELF USED ONLY ONE TERM:
THE SON OF MAN.
THE TERM SON OF MANKIND, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERM
THE SON OF MAN.
John 8:42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me.
For from God I proceeded, and came;
for I came not of myself, but he sent me:
John3:16 For God so loved the world,
as to give his only BEGOTTEN SON;
that whosoever believeth in him,
may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
17For God sent not his Son
INTO
the world,
to judge the world, but that the world may be saved
BY HIM.
John16:28I came forth from the Father,
and am come into the world:
again I leave the world,
and I go to the Father.
John16:30 Now we know that thou knowest all things,
and thou needest not that any man should ask thee.
By this we believe that thou
camest forth
from God.
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES Gene,
ARE as clear as crystal that
JESUS IS OF GOD AND DIVINE!
NOT OF MANKIND SATANIC!
THE WORD “SON” IN THE
TITLE
“THE SON OF MAN”
IS NOT A REFERENCE THAT JESUS IS OF MANKIND
BUT IT IS A CLEAR REFERENCE THAT
JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, DIVINE!
IS ALSO
THE SON OF MAN!
THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN!
Confirmed Gene HEREUNDER:
John5:25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of
THE SON OF GOD,
and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given
the Son
also to have LIFE IN HIMSELF:
27And he hath given him power to do judgment,
ATTENTION GENE READ:
because he is
THE SON OF MAN.
THE SON DIVINE OF MAN
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
It is sad really; well maybe Gene doesn’t really have a “FreeWill” ???
Chances are, Gene was made in the image of God, but using his free will, he chose to become an AI robot that can only make choices as presented by whomever is feeding him his reality. He has been programmed and seems to lack free will now and cannot understand why others can be free to choose because their wills still belong to them.
We know that the truth sets us free and we are free indeed. But he acknowledges he is not free and bound and his doctrine even reports this to us.
Berean. ….God had his plan before he ever started creating anything, on this earth, he purposed it and even brought it all about, the son of man, Jesus, was predestined by God, as well as we were to. GOD nor Jesus ever made Jesus to be different then a human being exactly like we are in “every” way, the I only ones who try to seperate Jesus from his brothers and sisters is you people, Jesus sure didn’t do that, neither did God the Father either, Jesus is exactly what God the Father has in mind for us all. For them who has eyes to see.
God had a plan of salvation from the foundation of the world because he knew that giving his created beings free will, that it would be only a matter of time for some to choose against God. It was a risk worth taking because love requires free will. Otherwise it is not love but a program that you follow.
Where there is true love there is freedom. If you have no choice to love someone, then it is not love. People do not actually love Kim Jong-un for example because they have no choice but to worship him. God is not like that. He creates us and then it is up to us to choose. Many of God’s angels chose to follow Satan. Many men have chosen to reject God.
But for those that love God, we are the chosen or elect. Our reward will be that we have eternal life where we will never sin again. Why? Because we were tested and we passed the test. Now we will be made perfect to never sin again.
Why don’t you join us Gene. God is wonderful. Choose God.
Carmel……The word honour is not the same as worshiping some one. Yes worshiping includes honour, but worshiping goes beyond honour. Heb 2:7…..it says, God crowned mankind with glory and honour, should we go around worshiping each other?
Well since we have a fallen nature, no. But look at our destiny.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
And remember this:
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
In a loud voice they sang: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
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