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Jesus used his divine power not for himself (to relieve his appetite in the desert, for example) but according to the will of God and for his glory and for the good of mankind.
Here the disciples saw the power of the divinity OF THE SON OF GOD … THAT IS WHY HE WORSHIPED IT.
HE WORSHIPED HIM AS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD …. AMENAmen Berean!
EDJ…..NO SCRIPTURE SAY THEY “WORSHIPED” him as the “devine” son of God. You add that part yourself. Those deciples only saw the devine work of God that he did for them , as the man Jesus Christ, and we’re atributing that to Jesus. They were atributing the Miracles to himself, but Jesus said this, “the Son of Man” can do “NOTHING” OF himself.” , and I do it by the finger of God”. The deciples were not even converted at that time, the function like all carnel humans did.
Paul even said ” Jesus thought not to rob God to make himself equal with him.” I know it is written ‘he thought it “not’ robbery, to be made equal with God”, but that is just another “trinitarian” false translation. Jesus never ever even tried to ever make himself ” equal” with God, he never ever did that. He told us All thing we’re possible with God, not all things were possible with him alone.
Edj…..according to the Oxford dictionary, worship is reserved for the honour of a DEITY, Jesus never ever said he was a diety of anykind. That what false teachers say , not Jesus.
Who said he “Glorified” God the Father, saying “I have “Glorified” “YOU” on the earth” not himself.
“True believers”, alone with Jesus “worship” only “one” God, the Father of Jesus and of us all.
False teachers have watered down the word “worship” to meaning anything, human or devine , makes no difference to them.
Also remember, because people “worship” anything they want to, doesn’t make it right. I give Jesus honour and respect , for what he through the Spirit of God has done for us all, I also will bend my Knee to him as the head of the household of God which is the (true) church, but I will not “worship” him, he is not a deity (a God) to me, but to me, a brother, in the household of God, our Father.
He has planly told us to “worship” God. REV 22:9,
For those who have eyes to see.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hey ho Gene
Questions must be answered …. thank’sWhy then would Paul have written this: ???
Hebrews 1: 6 And again, when he brought the firstborn into the world, he said, And all the angels of God worship him.
And why the Magi from the East bowed down and worshiped the baby Jesus:?????
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshiped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.And the disciples of Jésus ALSO:
But when he (Peter) saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
[31] And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
[32] And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
[33] Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.Here the disciples saw the power of the divinity OF THE SON OF GOD … THAT IS WHY HE WORSHIPED HIM.
HE WORSHIPED HIM AS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD …. AMENAND “THE WORD”. WAS GOD
Proclaimer, you said “Jesus never refused worship”, thats not true, what did he tell the man who called him Good, “why do you call me good?, “there is none Good, “but one”, and that is God.”
Sorry Gene, I can’t see the part in that verse that says he refused worship as the Son Of God. You might need to point it out to me.
LOL.
Hi Gene,
Now to the truth:
Cont. from my last post!
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:
All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
19Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever
I have commanded you:
and behold I am with you all days,
even to the consummation of the world.
Gene BOTH YOU AND Jodi
DON’T ACCEPT AND PRACTICE THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE
DECLARED BY THE ONLY SOVEREIGN RULER OF ALL THE UNIVERSES!
OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER JESUS CHRIST.
MANIFESTED ON EARTH John20:17, 1 John5:20 BY WHICH ACT AND BY THE POWER OF THE ONLY TITLE
“IN THE NAME OF JESUS”
GOD THE FATHER FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME IS KNOWN AND ACCEPTED
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST ON EARTH!
SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE STAGNATED
CARNALLY MINDED!
Gene, JESUS IS NOT ONLY A SERVANT ANY LONGER OF ANYONE, BUT
ALL CREATURES ARE SERVANTS OF JESUS CHRIST! GODMAN!
Romans 1:1; PAUL, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Colossians 4:12; Epaphras saluteth you, who is one of you, a servant of Christ Jesus,
Philippians 1:1; Paul and Timothy, the servants of Jesus Christ;
Timothy 4:6).These things proposing to the brethren, thou shalt be a good minister of Christ Jesus,
EVEN GOD IS NOW SERVING
JESUS CHRIST
HEBREWS 1:19 But to which of the angels
said he at any time:
Sit on my right hand,
until I (GOD, SERVE YOU AND)
make thy enemies thy footstool?
WHO IS SERVING WHO Gene???
ALSO IN
John16:He shall glorify ME;
(WHO GLORIFIES/SERVES WHO Gene???)
because he shall receive of MINE(GODMAN ACTS 5:3-4), and shall shew it to you.
15All things whatsoever the Father hath, are
MINE. (even the title of God)
Gene, JESUS IS GLORIFIED AND HE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD AS THE SUPREME RULER OF ALL FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
BY WHICH GLORY THE FATHER IS GLORIFIED
GODMAN IN HEAVEN
AS MUCH AS JESUS IS GLORIFIED
GODMAN ON EARTH.
SCRIPTURES:
John 17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, (THIS TIME ON EARTH) with the glory which I had, (IN HEAVEN PRE-EXISTED) before the world was, with thee. (BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST)
6I have manifested thy name to the men whom thou hast given me out of the world. Thine they were,(PRE-EXISTED ANGELS) and to me thou gavest them; (HUMANS)and they have kept thy word.
7Now they have known, that all things which thou hast given me, are from thee: 8Because the words which thou gavest me, I have given to them; and they have received them,
and have known in very deed
that I came out from thee,(PRE-EXISTED)
and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me: because they are thine: (PRE-EXISTED ANGELS)
10And all my things , ( HUMAN’S ) are thine
and thine ( SPIRIT’S ) are mine;
and I am glorified in THEM.(BOTH SPIRIT AND HUMAN)
YOU: REV 1:1…..The revelation of Jesus Christ, which “God” gave him, to shew unto his (God’s) servants things which must shortly come to pass;
ME: YOUR PERCEPTION (GOD’S) Gene is your first LIE in respect of Matthew 28:18, AND ALL SCRIPTURES ABOVE.
IT IS A REFERENCE TO
JESUS CHRIST
YOU: and he (God) sent and signified it
ME: AGAIN; “HE” IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST,
YOU: by his (God’s) angel
ME: NO BY HIS (CHRIST’S) angel
Rev. 22:16 I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.
YOU: -(messenger), (Jesus Christ)
ME: Gene THE ABOVE IS A PURE GARBAGE and CARNAL MINDED REASONING!
unto his servant John. Who ( as Jesus’disciple and the one whom Jesus loved) bare record of
the word of God, (JESUS THE SON OF MAN)
and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, (GLORIFIED GODMAN ON EARTH)
and all things he saw.
YOU: Jesus is the messenger of the new covenant.
HOW ON EARTH DID IT GET INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND THE ABOVE?
SHOW SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS IS CALLED
THE MESSENGER!
THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE THIS STUPIDITY!
JESUS IS
THE AUTHOR
OF THE NEW “ETERNAL” COVENANT WITH
HIS OWN BLOOD!
1Corinthians 11:25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying:
This chalice is the new testament
in my blood:
this do ye, as often as you shall drink,
for the commemoration
OF ME.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ABOVE
for the commemoration
OF ME.
MEANS Gene?
the fact that it is
NOT for the commemoration of God the Father, WHOM YOU BELEIVE IS YOUR SAVIOUR.
INDIRECTLY!!
IT MEANS NOTHING TO YOU?
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY UNIQUE PERSON JUSTIFIED AS
THE TRUTH FOR OUR REDEMPTION IT IS EQUIVALENT TO A MERE MESSENGER TO YOU?
FROM THE OTHER HAND ACCORDING TO YOU
JESUS THE SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD, GIVING HIS OWN DIVINE PURE BODY TO BE BUTCHERED AND KILLED NAILED ON THE CROSS IS
A MERE ACT OF A MESSENGER?
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE READ THAT A MERE MESSENGER IN SATANIC EARTHLY FLESH MANIFESTED SUCH DEED?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
CARMEL ….you are so far out of reality, it is useless to even reply to you, even a simple minded person can understand what Reve 1:1 says, you cant even get that part straight, God the Father Gave to Jesus, what he wanted to show his servants , and he sent it by his “messenger” Jesus, who give it John and John who took it to the Churches. There were no angles involved in that , just God the Father , Jesus, and John.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
You are missing the point of truth ….
You say he doesn’t have an angel …
but a messenger and that it is Jesus
Well reread this verse 16 of chapter 22I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And so we have
Revelation of Jesus Christ
that God gave him,
(intended for the servants of God of the 7 churches)), through HIS ANGEL to John.Berean, the word there for “angel”, was put there to throw people off,
The word Greek word (aggelos)
STRONGS G32……from aggello (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger, ; espically and angel; by implication a pastor: – angel, messenger.
The messenger does not have to be an angelic being, it can equally apply to anyone carring any message to anyone.
Jesus was the messenger, giving John the Message God gave him, John was the messenger caring that message to the Churches. Who were the servants of God the Father. Just as Jesus and John also was.
Berean nothing complicated about it, I proved to you that Jesus did send his ‘messenger’ “JOHN” to testify these thing in (the churches) . It was John not any angelic being who did that.
Also I even proved that in verses 22:7 through 13,the person speaking there was the same person, Jesus, and he also was the messenger that God sent to tell John who took it to the Churches. There is not one recording where a Angelic messenger took that message to the Churches either.
Trinitarian translator had to hid the truth there, why? , because IT WOULD EXPOSED THEIR LIES, about Jesus being a God, and telling us not to worship him but God only.
Berean the text was deliberately written that way to hide the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
You
“Jesus was the messenger, giving John the Message God gave him, John was the messenger caring that message to the Churches. Who were the servants of God the Father. Just as Jesus and John also was.”
Me
Jesus was the messenger….
John was the Messenger….
only you here believe that…
WHAT the Bible Say?
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you(John) these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I JESUS…..
SENT MY ANGEL(messenger)…
UNTO YOU(JOHN)
Have a good day
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you (John) these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
That settles it alone. Thanks Berean. These guys have been thoroughly debunked on yet another point. If they continue to fight this then that just shows an even higher level of delusion.
My conclusion regarding them is that whatever these guys say, it will more often than not be wrong. They were perhaps once surprised to learn that some mainstream doctrines were wrong and rather than question everything from there on in, they simply took the opposite view of every main doctrine or main understandings out there. That in my view is just laziness. We need to test everything to see if it is true. Some things will be false but other things will be true too. We need to subject everything to the Lord Jesus Christ so that God can inhabit all. These guys just bring confusion and they need to be exposed because attempting to confuse the children of God will be judged harshly in my view.
Hi Gene,
I REPEAT AGAIN FROM MY LAST POST:
Now to the truth:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:
All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
19Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoeverI have COMMANDED you:
and behold
I (JESUS CHRIST)am with you all days,
even to the consummation of the world.
Gene, from the above scripture
IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT GOD THE FATHER IS NO LONGER IN COMMAND TO DO ANYTHING DIRECTLY TO ALL HIS HEAVENLY REALMS!
I REPEAT NO ONE ANYMORE RECEIVES DIRECT ORDERS FROM
GOD THE FATHER!
GOD THE FATHER GIVES DIRECT ORDERS ONLY TO
JESUS CHRIST
THE ONLY
GODMAN ON EARTH
AND ONLY
IN THE NAME OF JESUS
THINGS OCCURS ON EARTH
FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE FATHER!
SCRIPTURE:
John14:12 Otherwise believe for the very works’ sake.
Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth
IN ME, (PARTICULARLY IN JESUS, NOT IN JUST GOD, OR ALLAH, BUDDHA, AND ALL THE REST.)
the works that I do, he also shall do;
and greater than these shall he do.
(IN JESUS’ NAME, NOT IN THE FATHER’S NAME, OR IN GOD’S NAME)
13Because I go to the Father:
OK Gene, JESUS IS THE SUPREME RULER OVER THE HEAVENS, EARTH AND UNDER EARTH.
HE GIVES DIRECT ORDERS TO ALL
HIS SERVANTS/CREATURES.
NOW READ AND NOT ONLY DISCERN BUT
SWALLOW IT DOWN INTO YOUR CARNAL STOMACH AND ACCEPT IT!
and whatsoever you shall ask
the Father
IN MY NAME,(ONLY)
that will
I DO: (NOT THE FATHER)
that the Father (AND HIS WORK) may be glorified in
THE SON
14If you shall ask
ME (DIRECTLY)
anything in
IN MY NAME
THAT I WILL DO.
( WHERE IS THE FATHER MR. Gene????)
I TELL YOU:
THE FATHER IS IN HIS
LONG REST
ENJOYING HIS TASKS BY
HIS SON JESUS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD
IN FLESH ON EARTH!
GOD OF ALL FLESH!
John17:10 And all my things(HUMAN) are thine, and thine (SPIRITUAL) are mine; and
(ONLY) I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM
BOTH SPIRITUAL AND FLESH
BOTH IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH!
Matthew 6:10
Thus therefore shall you pray:
Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.( IN JESUS ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN)
10Thy kingdom come. ( IN JESUS CHRIST YOUR SON, THE KINGDOM OF THE SON)
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
(IN JESUS’ NAME)
NOW Gene GO BACK TO REVELATION 1:1, and ALL THE REST OF SCRIPTURES WHICH YOU and JODI ARE
CARNALLY MINDED CORRUPTED WITH EVERY RESPECT!!!!
WITH THIS TRUE PERCEPTION!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer. ……I proved it was the same person speaking all the way through, from verse 22: 7 – 13,
You say you test things, well instead of making your own deluded statements about us, why no disprove what I was saying, by looking at the “evidence” I posted instead of making personal attacks on me and Jodi, and show us “O” WISE ONE, that what we post is wrong.
At first you post that the word angel there could also mean messenger as I recall , then instead of view the rest of the “evidence” I produced to support my conclusions and showing where I am wrong , you just cast it out, as if it wasen’t even there, and give out a bunch of crap that most of what I say is wrong, so I can’t be creditable, instead of proving what I say is wrong, you bulldoze over me and Jodi like you know the truth and we are just ignorant of it, when in fact it is you who lack the truth not us.
Why not view the other evidence I have produced, like where verse 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 show clearly it is the same person speaking to John and that person was Jesus, the same person that was speaking in verse 7, was speaking all the way through to John.
If you have the truth as you would have us believe, then why not try to , “HONESTLY” , “prove” it. show us all where what I said was wrong, I AM MORE THEN WILLING TO FACE THE TRUTH. So why not produce it, for a change, instead of just mouthing off something , show where I am wrong, that it wasen’t the same person speaking in verse 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, prove it! Otherwise your just another false accuser, and teacher.
PROCLAIMER, there is only a few verses there so, “PROVE” ME WRONG. Let’s study every sentence to see who is speaking. I challenge you to show us your “TRUTHFULL” understandings.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene
In this Chapter 22, it is absolutely not
question of the Son of God being called anything else: Jesus Christ or Jesus, Lord Jesus, the Lamb, or the Alpha and the Omega. He is not called “a messenger” or “an angel”.
On the contrary, he is the one who sent his angel (v.16 , who is also the angel of God the Father v.6) You can check….Read well your Bible and You will see That it’ IS the TRUTH.
Berean…..I want Proclaimer’s response to my Challenge, if you want to be included then please go back and address “each” scripture I have given , and tell me who was the one speaking, in each one, and give me your reason for saying it.
I have said and maintain by ““proof” that it was the same person speaking to John in verse 7 , 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, that was the “Messenger” (angel) and that messenger was Jesus.
Please don’t shout out a bunch of stuff , go to the very text itself, OK. Please take a careful look at the wording and how it is worded in each of those verses. I believe even you can see this if you just try. The structure of the text is what is important here , not your or my “opinions” brother. Let’s for once have a verse by verse debate OK?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Although I have already given you all the proof, you still believe that what I wrote is wrong …
Well do what you want ….
Anyway, I know you are greatly wrong on this subject as in many others.Berean…..I want Proclaimer’s response to my Challenge, if you want to be included then please go back and address “each” scripture I have given , and tell me who was the one speaking, in each one, and give me your reason for saying it.
I have said and maintain by ““proof” that it was the same person speaking to John in verse 7 , 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, that was the “Messenger” (angel) and that messenger was Jesus.
What chapter?
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