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Hi All,
INDEED, the Son of Man Jesus “HAD COME FROM GOD” as a teacher bringing God’s word.
This Son of Man “COMETH FROM ABOVE” speaking heavenly things, not being of the earth, but having come down from heaven.
Jesus had been born again of water and of the Spirit making him God’s Son whom God sent into the world to preach and set us at liberty.
Jesus preached to us,
Mark 10: 39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Paul tells us that cup we drink of is the Spirit of God,
I Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Why we are told by Paul in Romans 8 that we are “heirs of God, joint heirs with Christ”, for we were all made to drink into the one Spirit before the world even began.
Jesus was foreordained from the beginning to be this firstborn of the Spirit, promised from the beginning to be an heir of God and receive an inheritance of a firstborn, receiving dominion over all things God had created and become a king higher than all kings of the earth. Such is why we are told that God had created all things by reason of him and for him.
Likewise as God our savior chose to reconcile all things through this man who shed his blood, nothing would have been made that was made without him.
That moment when tying all these true scriptures together into a narrative only to have that narrative destroyed by one or two scriptures.
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.Must be further annoying knowing it takes a few minutes to accomplish this.
Proclaimer……I see the word for “through” , still causes you to error, why not do a real and “honest” word search, for a change, and you will find that word means for the “purpose” of, like, the reason for .
GOD the Father plainly said he created everything “alone” and by “himself”, as we have shown you over and over from scripture. But you had rather us believe in a contradiction of scriptures, or use carnel reasoning to cercumvent the truth.
Jesus never said he ever know God the Father before his birth on this earth. That is simply false Doctrine, taught by who have been mislead by apostate churches. When Jesus was showing his deciples who he was he started through the Prophets, and no prophet predicted a preexisting being would come from heaven or a state of a preexistence . But just the oppisit, they said he would come from there brethern, one of the tribes of Israel (Judah). Your letting a few missinterpreted words trip you up Proclaimer.
The spirit of truth should have already revealed it unto you by now. IMO
Peace and love to you and. ………..gene
Jodi
Gene
In heaven is our Father and it is from there that the divine Son of God comes from…
He himself said:
I came down from Heaven to do not my will but the will of the One who sent me.Hi Berean,
Jesus was a teacher COME FROM GOD,
likewise in John 3,
it is the SON OF MAN that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN
Berean, if you tell me it was a spirit Son of God that came down from heaven, that is a false doctrine directly against Jesus’s own words in John 3.
Berean if you COME FROM GOD that is the SAME as COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Proclaimer,
Those two passages directly support my narrative I created directly out of scripture, I was actually speaking to those scriptures directly as a matter of fact.
Let’s be HONEST here and speak to the issue at hand, you are applying one legitimate meaning of the word “dia” and Gene and I are applying a different legitimate meaning of the word “dia”.
DIA through
of place, of time, of means, by reason of, on account of
Proclaimer, you have not destroyed my narrative yet, as you need to PROVE through scripture that the definition I am applying is the wrong one.
Colossians 1
all things were created by(dia) him, and for(eiV) him:
For HIM
eiV
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a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases:–(abundant-)ly, against, among, as, at, (back-)ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for (intent, purpose), fore, + forth, in (among, at, unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-)on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore(-unto), throughout, til, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-)until(-to), …ward, (where-)fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).it is the SON OF MAN that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN
So he didn’t come in the flesh then according to you. He was already flesh.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world
dia
a prefix occurring in loanwords from Greek (diabetes; dialect) and used, in the formation of compound words, to mean “passing through” (diathermy), “thoroughly,” “completely” (diagnosis), “going apart” (dialysis), and “opposed in moment” (diamagnetism).
Proclaimer and All,
Dia in verse 2 and in verse 16 below, means “by reason of”.
Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.
Col 1:16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
Scripture couldn’t make it more obvious that “by reason of” is the absolute correct definition to be applied.
Isaiah 44: 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
God created heaven, earth, kingdoms, thrones, and rulers, all by Himself, doing so by reason of His Son and thus likewise for His Son as Jesus was to inherit and have dominion over all that God had made with His hands.
2 Chronicles 2:12 Huram said moreover, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, that made heaven and earth, who hath given to David the king a wise son, endued with prudence and understanding, that might build an house for the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.
Jesus didn’t pre-exist and create heaven and earth and go on to create also the throne of David or of Solomon for himself to inherit. God created heaven and earth and David’s throne BY REASON OF Jesus BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FOR Jesus, the son of David to inherit.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
READ IT AGAIN,
Col 1:16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
All things were created by the powers of God’s Spirit, and they were created by reason of Jesus because they were FOR Jesus to inherit.
Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
READ IT AGAIN,
Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
We are not told that God, by means of Jesus were all things created. We are told that God by means of His own powers were all things created.
We are told that God created all things ALONE, BY HIMSELF and that God, by means of Jesus a city is built and captives are let go.
Psalm 89:3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah…27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
Read again,
Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.
Col 1:16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
For by reason of Jesus, God created everything, such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers and authorities. Everything that God had created alone through His powers, He did so by reason of Jesus because it was all for Jesus to inherit and have dominion over.
Fake news. Fake election ballots. Fake teaching. So much fakeness.
Father God, give us the energy and wisdom to not grow weary. Amen!
dia
a prefix occurring in loanwords from Greek (diabetes; dialect) and used, in the formation of compound words, to mean “passing through” (diathermy), “thoroughly,” “completely” (diagnosis), “going apart” (dialysis), and “opposed in moment” (diamagnetism).
– Google
Etymology
From Ancient Greek prefix δια- (dia-), from διά (diá, “through, across, by, over”)Prefix
dia-through, across, between
– Wiktionary
Definition
throughof placewith
in
of timethroughout
during
of meansby
by the means ofthrough
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
by reason of
on account of
because of for this reason
therefore
on this account– biblestudytools
Yes one meaning is ‘by reason of’.
However, we are clearly told that everything was created THROUGH HIM and FOR HIM. See that. It already mentions what you are saying. So now you have to explain the former.
Colossians 1:16,
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”Yes it was created for him or because of him. But it was also created through him.
Hi Proclaimer,
YOU: So he didn’t come in the flesh then according to you. He was already flesh.
ME:
God’s word was that the son of Jesse, a HUMAN OF FLESH, would be anointed and then SENT out into the world to preach and deliver captives, thus our Messiah CAME in the flesh, doing so exactly as God had promised.
When he was SENT FROM God out into the world to the people, he was thus SENT FROM heaven, he was coming from God, thus he had come down from heaven.
WHO is being SENT in Luke 4:18 and John 3:34 Proclaimer??
A man of flesh who had been anointed with the Spirit, is he who is sent.
Proclaimer,
God’s word that He had created all things alone, by Himself, is NOT FAKE NEWS.
Jesus does not inherit and receive dominion over all things that he made with his hands.
Jesus inherits and receives dominion over all things that God had made with His hands by His powers and His wisdom.
Hmm….
Now if that which God had made with His hands by Himself, ALONE, He did so FOR Jesus to inherit and have dominion over, then it is absolute truth to say that God made all things by reason of and for Jesus. That is NOT FAKE NEW Proclaimer.
God speaking to the Son:
Hebrews 1
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
[11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
[12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.BUT THOU ART THE SAME…
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
ETERNITY PAST…..TODAY….ETERNITY. FOR EVER…….
God’s word that He had created all things alone, by Himself, is NOT FAKE NEWS.
Obviously I’m not saying that and you already know from what I believe that this statement is not relevant to me. If you have to resort to this, it does give the impression that you are wildly lashing out with accusations. If you had a case, you could remain calm and let the truth do the talking.
Now if that which God had made with His hands by Himself, ALONE, He did so FOR Jesus to inherit and have dominion over, then it is absolute truth to say that God made all things by reason of and for Jesus. That is NOT FAKE NEW Proclaimer.
Pay attention and read this slowly so the truth gets a platform.
Colossians 1:16,
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”It’s both Jodi. They are not mutually exclusive, which is the crux of your argument.
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