JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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  • #810542
    kerwin
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    Ed,

    I looked at the Hebrew behind the words of Micah 5:2 and there are many mysteries about why it has been interpreted in as many different ways as it has. It appears that experts see implied words but differ on what words are implied. In addition there is probably a differences in manuscripts.

    That said I do not think that word’s of Micah as interpreted by the AV of the KJV is referring to the Spirit of Christ that is within Jesus but he is instead referring God’s plan that the Christ would go forth from Bethlehem. It sounds like a foretelling of the cumming of the Christ.

    I can see where it could the Spirit of God that was given could also be said to have origins that are from old and to go forth from Bethlehem into all the world. My doubt that it is what is intended stems from the knowledge that Jesus did go forth from Bethlehem and any Micah lacks any solid tie to the Spirit.

    #810547
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Do you believe Psalms 12:6-7 is true? “Yes” or “no”?
    (remember “I don’t know” is also an acceptable answer)

    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

    #810549
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    “The spirit of Christ” came from eternity and was born in Bethlehem – so Jesus’ spirit certainly fits the bill.

    …plus Bethlehem means “house of bread” – and Jesus plainly said:

    “I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
    and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51)

    uh oh Jesus says He is the living bread which came down from heaven

    Sorry Kerwin, but you cannot wiggle out of this by reinterpretations of corrupted texts

    #810550
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    You have previously pointed to the folly of the JW one verse and false interpretation problem.

    The words of scripture are pure truth but frequently misunderstood -as Peter spoke of Paul’s words

    #810557
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    You have previously pointed to the folly of the JW one verse and false interpretation problem.

    The words of scripture are pure truth but frequently misunderstood -as Peter spoke of Paul’s words

    Hi Nick,

    You mean like when Paul says that Jesus was a man,
    what he means is: his spirit was not “the spirit of Christ”?

    I thought you said you should not create one verse false interpretations?
    It says that Jesus was a man in more than one place. But that does
    not change the fact that this is precisely what you are doing.
    If not, please explain why you feel this is not the case.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #810560
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Here is why you cannot or at least shouldn’t consider that the Prophet
    Micah instead of He meant only the prophecy came from eternity.
    The first hint of this prophecy is first mentioned in Gen.3:15,
    so that hardly goes all the way back to eternity past.

    Here is the part you seem to keep missing > > >

    He who’s goings have been from eternity shall come forth out of THEE BETHLEHEM.
    And here the Angel Gabriel gives the fulfillment of Micah 5:2 by declaring Christ’s birth…
    “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

    #810561
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    And why is Jesus denying his lineage back to David? (– which is his mother Mary’s lineage)
    Because He is obviously declaring that He himself is “the Spirit of Christ”

    That is what makes him “The Son of God”

    God: …………….. HolySpirit (Father of Spirits) “she was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
    Son of God: Jesus Christ (Spirit of Christ) “born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35)

    #810562
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    2 Peter 3.16

    No Paul mentioned that men can have their own spirit as well as the Holy Spirit.

    Rom 8

    Just as Jesus did till his own left him at calvary

    #810563
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Do you believe Psalms 12:6-7 is true? “Yes” or “no”?

    Did you mean to insult me?

    The answer to your question is yes and you should have assumed it as a given no matter what passage of Scripture is quoted.

    If your assumption is invalid then time will show it to be false.

    #810565
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    The AV of the KJV is a corrupted text despite your denial of that fact. I still use it because it is what God chose to give us. I compare it to others and look at the original languages because I am interested. Never the less I will go by its wording for Micah as I said.

    #810569
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    The first hint of this prophecy is first mentioned in Gen.3:15,
    so that hardly goes all the way back to eternity past.

    There is also the words “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” at then the end of the first chapter of Genesis.

    The origins I am talking about are in the mind of God. That is also why I point at Genesis 1:31 since God know all things including the future and still beheld that every thing he made by his logos was very good.

    #810572
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

    Still a son of man, and our inheritance is in him.

     

    Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.

    #810588
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    2 Peter 3.16

    No Paul mentioned that men can have their own spirit as well as the Holy Spirit.

    Rom 8

    Just as Jesus did till his own left him at calvary

    OK Nick,

    Then who is this “WE” that Christ is speaking of in John 14:23:
    “WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.” (John 14:23)

    Who is the “WE” if not…

    1. The Spirit of God
    2. The Spirit of Christ

    …well?

    (and please be specific)

    #810589
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Do you believe Psalms 12:6-7 is true? “Yes” or “no”?

    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

    (1) Did you mean to insult me?

    (2) The answer to your question is yes and you should have assumed it as a given no matter what passage of Scripture is quoted.

    Hi Kerwin,

    1) No, I instead mean to question your beliefs.
    2) I can assume no such thing when people do not believe what Scripture says.

    OK then, please do tell me how
    The words of the LORD are purified seven times in a furnace of earth?

    If you need help with this, let me know

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #810591
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The Spirit of the Father and the Son -the one Spirit.

    The Spirit of the Son is also known as the Spirit of Christ and the Word.

    #810599
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    I am going to assume you are blind to the unwritten inferences.

    #810600
    kerwin
    Participant

    ED,

    The words of the LORD are purified seven times in a furnace of earth?

    I assume you misspoke as that is not what it says.

    As you already know God’s word does not need purifying.

    What is written means the word of God is as pure as precious metal refined to completion.

    Seven is the number of completion for creation was finished when God rested on the Seventh Night and Day.

    You like numbers so you may know that as well.

    #810602
    Ed J
    Participant

    What is written means the word of God is as pure as precious metal refined to completion.

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

    ………………….1. The Greek Septuagint Bible (first Greek bible)
    ………………….2. The Latin Vulgate Bible
    ………………….3. The Wycliffe Bible (first English bible)
    ………………….4. The Tyndale New Testament
    ………………….5. The Great Bible
    ………………….6. The Geneva Bible
    ………………….7. The Bishops Bible

    ……………………”AKJV Bible”

    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].
    The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #810603
    Ed J
    Participant

    You like numbers so you may know that as well.

    Indeed!

    ”At the mouth of “THREE WITNESSES”, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)


    THE FEASTS - BIBLE TRANSLATIONS – AND GOD’s NAME.
    …….[color=#000097](Are you beginning to see the pattern yet?)[/color]

    …..1. The Passover
    …..2. Pentecost
    …..3. Feast of Tabernacles

    …..4. Unleavened Bread
    …..5. First Fruits
    …..6. Trumpets
    …..7. Atonement

    ………[b]“Chanaukah”[/b] symbolizes repentance: the re-dedication of our life unto the LORD our GOD (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm).

    _____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #810604
    Ed J
    Participant

    ”At the mouth of “THREE WITNESSES”, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)


    THE FEASTS – BIBLE TRANSLATIONS – AND GOD’s NAME.
    …….[color=#000097](Are you beginning to see the pattern yet?)[/color]

    …..1. The Greek Septuagint Bible (first Greek bible)
    …..2. The Latin Vulgate Bible (first Latin bible)
    …..3. The Wycliffe Bible (first English bible)

    …..4. The Tyndale New Testament
    …..5. The Great Bible
    …..6. The Geneva Bible
    …..7. The Bishops Bible

    ………[b]“AKJV Bible”[/b]

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.

    _____________
    God bless
    Ed J

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