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Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,22:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,03:17) Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,20:03) Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,05:25)
Jammin,You seem set on claiming nature is a physical nature and I pointed out it can be a spiritual nature.
The nature of God and the nature of sin are in opposition.
A person who is God in nature does not do the things of the nature of sin and so does not see equality with God as a thing to be grasped but instead makes themselves nothing and takes on the nature of a servant.
you should read the context before making any conclusions. phil 2.6 refers to Christ as being God. his has the nature God. before he became human, he was existing in the form of God.2 pet 1.4 did not say that we were existing in the form of God before we became human.
you are not making any sense
Jammin,The context is having the same mind of Christ.
i will repeat what i said.phil 2.6 talks about Christ who being in the form of God, did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. instead, he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. he became like us…
2pet 1.4 did not say that WE WERE existing in the form of God before we became human. therefore, phil 2.6 has nothing to do with 2 pet 1.4.
that is what you call an ABSURD DOCTRINE.
Jammin,The whole thing is concurrent. It is also a very long sentence that translators punctuate in that way that is agreeable to their personal doctrine.
The Emphatic Diaglott
(Interlinear Text)
1865 by Benjamin WilsonPhi 2:5 This for be desired by you which also in Anointed Jesus,
Phi 2:6 who in a form of God being, not a usurpation meditated the to be like to God,
Phi 2:7 but himself emptied, a form of a slave having taken, in a likeness of men having been formed,
Phi 2:8 and in condition being found as a man; humbled himself, having become obedient till death, of a death even of a cross.The translator was a unitarian and so made choices in translating according to that doctrine. The sentence speaks of Jesus choice as a human that was existing in the form of God choosing to serve at not to elevate himself. He did this by sacrificing himself on the cross. That which was in him when he made that choice and still is in him is what we are to strive to emulate.
Jammin.
Quote 1. he is God. he is not God the father but God the only son.
2. not the father but the son
3. God the father gave his God who is also God by nature.
4. the HUMAN nature died but not the nature God.
5 God the father resurrected the human body of the son.
6. the son and not the father.
Back to top1.So you believe in God the father and God the Son,and
obviously also God the HolySpirit.
This only makes us understand,that there are three Gods.
Must not say it that way;because God said: beside me
there is no God nor saviour. I know what you are trying to
convey,but that is only confusing the listeners.
You should follow John's words.He said: THE WORD WAS
WITH GOD;AND THE WORD WAS GOD. FOCUS ON THE
WORD; (WORD).2.You believe the Son Died. I agree.
3.This is where it gets confusing to us.Just repeat what John
said: God gave His only begotten Son to the world.
4.Why dont you make it simple for us,and say; the Son died
and God reurrected His Son.5.Actually it was His Holy essence(soul) God resurrected.
He was perfect in Holiness; like God.The image of God.
Equal to God. But in obedience to God.
6.The resurrected Son went BACK to where He came from.THe son of God is full human: but with a perfect spirit.
And we also need to reach that perfection, as much as possible.
This is only possible if our sins are blotted out by His mercy.Cheers.
wakeup.Hi WU,
.Luke 24:39
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,09:16) Hi WU,
.Luke 24:39
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Hi Nick.This is where you dont understand the resurrection.
At the coming;the living will be changed in a wink of an eye.
A person with one arm will not be changed with one arm missing.A person with scars on the face will not have scars.So why did Jesus show His scars?
wakeup.
Hi WU,
Start with what is written
Luke 24:39
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”The new body is not torn or scarred
It was his old bodyHi WU,
If you cannot build on what is written you have your own foundationLk6
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
You say we do not understand?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,09:46) Hi WU,
Start with what is written
Luke 24:39
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”The new body is not torn or scarred
It was his old body
NickQuote The new body is not torn or scarred
It was his old body1.How can it be His old Body?
2.Was he resurrected or was he not?
3.Then why the scars?wakeup.
Hi WU,
Why not-it is the sign of Jonah.
YesScars?
Jn 20
5 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Hi WU,
Because his old body was beaten, whipped , had thorns thrust into his scalp, nailed to a cross and pierced with a lanceQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,10:14) Hi WU,
Because his old body was beaten, whipped , had thorns thrust into his scalp, nailed to a cross and pierced with a lance
Nick.He should have been resurrected in a new Body.Y/N?
Then why the wounds?Just as the the person with scars on his face,will not be resurrected with scars on His face.Y/N?
Then why did Jesus have His wounds?wakeup.
Hi WU,
No he had to fulfil the sign of Jonah.
the Jews had to be shown this fulfilment-acts 2]We in Christ are different in that we are resurrected into a new body
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,10:42) Hi WU,
No he had to fulfil the sign of Jonah.
the Jews had to be shown this fulfilment-acts 2]We in Christ are different in that we are resurrected into a new body
Nick.We are different?
This your opinion.
Please explain wy different.
He was a man resurrected.wakeup.
Hi WU,
You will not be raised in your natural body if you are in Christ.
We do not know what we will be like but we know we will be like him [1jn 3.2]-so he now has a new body too.Quote (carmel @ May 08 2014,00:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2014,10:34) Does the fact that the fire is ETERNAL mean that fire has existed FROM eternity? YES or NO? Mike,
YES!
FIRE IS ETERNAL AS GOD IS!
I strongly disagree with that, Charles. If God created ALL THINGS, then that would include “fire” too.But, just to prove my point another way:
John 5:39 King James Version
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.Do these people Jesus is talking about think they WILL gain eternal life by searching the scriptures? Or do they think that if they search the scriptures, they are FROM eternity?
Obviously it is the first one….. which goes to show you that the word “eternal” doesn't always mean “FROM eternity”.
Are you man enough to admit the thing I'm trying to teach jammin? Or will you also just play games and pretend you can't see what I'm saying?
Quote (jammin @ May 08 2014,11:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2014,20:26) Jammin. 1.Is He God or is He the only Son?
2.Was God crucified or was it His Son?
3.Did God gave His Son, or Himself?
4.Did your God die, and was buried for three days?
5,Who did resurrect Him?If you say God did resurrect Himself; then He did not
really die. He was alive.
6.Then who was sacrificed? Then there was no sacrifice.Can you explain?
wakeup.
1. he is God. he is not God the father but God the only son.
2. not the father but the son
3. God the father gave his God who is also God by nature.
4. the HUMAN nature died but not the nature God.
5 God the father resurrected the human body of the son.
6. the son and not the father.
Let me translate for jammin:1. The Father and Son are BOTH our ONLY God.
2. God WAS crucified.
3. God gave God as a sacrifice.
4. Only the human part of God died.
5. God resurrected God from the dead.
6. God was the sacrifice that God offered on behalf of men.
Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2014,17:42) Hi WU,
No he had to fulfil the sign of Jonah.
the Jews had to be shown this fulfilment-acts 2]We in Christ are different in that we are resurrected into a new body
That's right, Nick.Jesus was an EXCEPTION to the “rule” Paul taught in 1 Cor 15. Nobody else who is ever resurrected will have to first spend 40 days on earth in that original body which died.
There was a specific reason for Jesus to be raised from the dead in the body in which he died.
No one else will have that reason – so no one else will be raised in the body that died.
Jesus was the EXCEPTION to most rules.
Hi MB,
He later ascendedJn 3
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
We hope to do both at once
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