JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[kerwin]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,21:15) Hi Gene, Whether Jesus is speaking GOD's words or his own, it doesn't make Jesus the words that GOD has spoken; funny how those who hold to the traditions of men miss this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ you have become an expert in talking and fall short of saying the truth 99% of the time

T,

What purpose does your accusation serve?

[kerwin]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,05:29) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,03:48) Mike, Quote Did an attribute of God BECOME FLESH and dwell on earth? An attribute of God CAN become flesh. Okay 2B, Let's focus on this one for a minute. Which attribute of God are you speaking about?  And in which way did this attribute actually BECOME flesh? Mike, I don't know about attributes, that is getting to complicated for me. But look at this: Other uses of the word “logos”. Look carefully and you will see that the scriptures in places mention God's logos (word) as God's MESSAGE. Here are a couple of examines: 2 Timothy 2: 8 – 9 “This is my gospel, for which I am suffering to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained.” 1 John 2:7 “Beloved, I am writing no new commandment to you but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.” Revelation 20: 4 –5 – “I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus AND for the word of God”[/b] Revelation 1:2 – “His servant John, who gives witness to the word of God AND to the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ?

2besee,

Complicated or not your words seem inspired.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:08)

Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,05:29) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,03:48) Mike, Quote Did an attribute of God BECOME FLESH and dwell on earth? An attribute of God CAN become flesh. Okay 2B, Let's focus on this one for a minute. Which attribute of God are you speaking about?  And in which way did this attribute actually BECOME flesh? Mike, I don't know about attributes, that is getting to complicated for me. But look at this: Other uses of the word “logos”. Look carefully and you will see that the scriptures in places mention God's logos (word) as God's MESSAGE. Here are a couple of examines: 2 Timothy 2: 8 – 9 “This is my gospel, for which I am suffering to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained.” 1 John 2:7 “Beloved, I am writing no new commandment to you but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.” Revelation 20: 4 –5 – “I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus AND for the word of God”[/b] Revelation 1:2 – “His servant John, who gives witness to the word of God AND to the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ? 2BEE Quote I don't know about attributes, that is getting to complicated for me. this we know and can see ,THEIR IS MORE TO THE SCRIPTURES THAN JUST READING AND COMMENT ON IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE VIEW POINT ;IT IS GOD'S POINT OF VIEW YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR NOTHING ELSE

T,

A good point.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,22:17)

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,21:15) Hi Gene, Whether Jesus is speaking GOD's words or his own, it doesn't make Jesus the words that GOD has spoken; funny how those who hold to the traditions of men miss this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ you have become an expert in talking and fall short of saying the truth 99% of the time   T, What purpose does your accusation serve?

K

I do not accuse ,I just give out my remark of my experience in dealing with Edj over the years ,

read this little story ,and think deep on it because it cover many treasurers

Jn 9:6 Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.
Jn 9:7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.
Jn 9:8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?”
Jn 9:9 Some claimed that he was.
Others said, “No, he only looks like him.”
But he himself insisted, “I am the man.”
Jn 9:10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they demanded.
Jn 9:11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.”
Jn 9:12 “Where is this man?” they asked him.
“I don’t know,” he said.

The Pharisees Investigate the Healing

Jn 9:13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind.
Jn 9:14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath.
Jn 9:15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”
Jn 9:16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner do such miraculous signs?” So they were divided.
Jn 9:17 Finally they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.”
The man replied, “He is a prophet.”
Jn 9:18 The Jews still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man’s parents.
Jn 9:19 “Is this your son?” they asked. “Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?”
Jn 9:20 “We know he is our son,” the parents answered, “and we know he was born blind.
Jn 9:21 But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself.”
Jn 9:22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews, for already the Jews had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ would be put out of the synagogue.
Jn 9:23 That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”
Jn 9:24 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God,’” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.”
Jn 9:25 He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!”
Jn 9:26 Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”
Jn 9:27 He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples, too?”
Jn 9:28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses!
Jn 9:29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.”
Jn 9:30 The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes.
Jn 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.
Jn 9:32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind.
Jn 9:33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”
Jn 9:34 To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:24)

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,22:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,21:15) Hi Gene, Whether Jesus is speaking GOD's words or his own, it doesn't make Jesus the words that GOD has spoken; funny how those who hold to the traditions of men miss this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ you have become an expert in talking and fall short of saying the truth 99% of the time   T, What purpose does your accusation serve? K I do not accuse ,I just give out my remark of my experience in dealing with Edj over the years , read this little story ,and think deep on it because it cover many treasurers Jn 9:6 Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. Jn 9:7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. Jn 9:8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” Jn 9:9 Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him.” But he himself insisted, “I am the man.” Jn 9:10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they demanded. Jn 9:11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.” Jn 9:12 “Where is this man?” they asked him. “I don’t know,” he said. The Pharisees Investigate the Healing Jn 9:13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. Jn 9:14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. Jn 9:15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.” Jn 9:16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner do such miraculous signs?” So they were divided. Jn 9:17 Finally they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.” The man replied, “He is a prophet.” Jn 9:18 The Jews still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man’s parents. Jn 9:19 “Is this your son?” they asked. “Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?” Jn 9:20 “We know he is our son,” the parents answered, “and we know he was born blind. Jn 9:21 But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself.” Jn 9:22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews, for already the Jews had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ would be put out of the synagogue. Jn 9:23 That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.” Jn 9:24 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God,’” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.” Jn 9:25 He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!” Jn 9:26 Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” Jn 9:27 He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples, too?” Jn 9:28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! Jn 9:29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.” Jn 9:30 The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. Jn 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. Jn 9:32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. Jn 9:33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” Jn 9:34 To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out.

T,

It is an accusation and your quotes do not answer my question. It seems you have chosen to claim that Ed is full of darkness with a gleam of light within and that you have learned this from experience. How does sharing that knowledge benefit yourself or others?

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,22:53)

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:24) Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,22:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,22:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,21:15) Hi Gene, Whether Jesus is speaking GOD's words or his own, it doesn't make Jesus the words that GOD has spoken; funny how those who hold to the traditions of men miss this. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ you have become an expert in talking and fall short of saying the truth 99% of the time   T, What purpose does your accusation serve? K I do not accuse ,I just give out my remark of my experience in dealing with Edj over the years , read this little story ,and think deep on it because it cover many treasurers Jn 9:6 Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. Jn 9:7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. Jn 9:8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” Jn 9:9 Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him.” But he himself insisted, “I am the man.” Jn 9:10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they demanded. Jn 9:11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.” Jn 9:12 “Where is this man?” they asked him. “I don’t know,” he said. The Pharisees Investigate the Healing Jn 9:13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. Jn 9:14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. Jn 9:15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.” Jn 9:16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner do such miraculous signs?” So they were divided. Jn 9:17 Finally they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.” The man replied, “He is a prophet.” Jn 9:18 The Jews still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man’s parents. Jn 9:19 “Is this your son?” they asked. “Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?” Jn 9:20 “We know he is our son,” the parents answered, “and we know he was born blind. Jn 9:21 But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself.” Jn 9:22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews, for already the Jews had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ would be put out of the synagogue. Jn 9:23 That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.” Jn 9:24 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God,’” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.” Jn 9:25 He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!” Jn 9:26 Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” Jn 9:27 He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples, too?” Jn 9:28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! Jn 9:29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.” Jn 9:30 The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. Jn 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. Jn 9:32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. Jn 9:33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” Jn 9:34 To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out. T, It is an accusation and your quotes do not answer my question.   It seems you have chosen to claim that Ed is full of darkness with a gleam of light within and that you have learned this from experience. How does sharing that knowledge benefit yourself or others?

K

if he lost his credibility ,it is because of his own doing ,so are all of us ,

it not for me to say that he can not change and say Godly truths ,this is his choice ,but if he does not ,it seems my rights to tell what i think ,and this anyone can SEE it, if he as the truth of God and only the truth of God,

religion are social clubs and so as nothing to do with God's truth this is why they are all different in their believes to suite the majority of their members ,tickel the ears of them,

but God does not work that way TRUTH IS WHAT COUNTS DISREGARDING ANYONE .FEELINGS,OR BELIEVES,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,05:29)

Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ?

2B,

The Greek word “logos” is simply one of their words for “word”. It refers to words that God has spoken, words that men have spoken, words that have been written down, words that have been shouted at another person, etc.

It is also used as a title for spokesman. In the case of the King of Abyssinia, his main spokesman was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”. The fact that the king's spokesman is metaphorically referred to as the king's word does not make the word “word” mean anything other than “word”. It still means the same thing, even after it was used metaphorically to refer to the king's spokesman.

It is no different with Jesus. He is metaphorically called the Word of God, because he is God's main spokesman. That fact doesn't make the word “logos” have some mystical, secret meaning from there on out, 2B. The word “logos” CONTINUES to be a Greek word for “word”.

So 99% of the time, “word of God” simply refers to the MESSAGE God spoke, whether directly, or through a vice-regent. There is no secret, magical, pseudo meaning involved. It only means that God conveyed a message to others in one way or another.

But, a couple of times in scripture, “word of God” refers to God's spokesman Jesus Christ, who is also metaphorically called the lamb of God – even though he isn't an actual lamb.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,06:12)

Mike and all, I am running out of phone data and so will not be posting as much in the next couple of weeks, but I will be looking closely at John chapter one and the first letter of John and will write up a side by side comparison, because I believe that the two go together.

Grand idea.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:32)

Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,05:29) Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ? 2B, The Greek word “logos” is simply one of their words for “word”.  It refers to words that God has spoken, words that men have spoken, words that have been written down, words that have been shouted at another person, etc. It is also used as a title for spokesman.  In the case of the King of Abyssinia, his main spokesman was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”.  The fact that the king's spokesman is metaphorically referred to as the king's word does not make the word “word” mean anything other than “word”.  It still means the same thing, even after it was used metaphorically to refer to the king's spokesman. It is no different with Jesus.  He is metaphorically called the Word of God, because he is God's main spokesman.  That fact doesn't make the word “logos” have some mystical, secret meaning from there on out, 2B.  The word “logos” CONTINUES to be a Greek word for “word”. So 99% of the time, “word of God” simply refers to the MESSAGE God spoke, whether directly, or through a vice-regent.  There is no secret, magical, pseudo meaning involved.  It only means that God conveyed a message to others in one way or another. But, a couple of times in scripture, “word of God” refers to God's spokesman Jesus Christ, who is also metaphorically called the lamb of God – even though he isn't an actual lamb.

Hi Mike,

So “The Word” means the word of GOD, except when it doesn't – is that it?

To me and others “The Word” always means the word of GOD.
Of course you are free to tell us it means differently,
but you shouldn't feel bad if don't accept it.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,06:51)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:32) Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,05:29) Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ? 2B, The Greek word “logos” is simply one of their words for “word”.  It refers to words that God has spoken, words that men have spoken, words that have been written down, words that have been shouted at another person, etc. It is also used as a title for spokesman.  In the case of the King of Abyssinia, his main spokesman was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”.  The fact that the king's spokesman is metaphorically referred to as the king's word does not make the word “word” mean anything other than “word”.  It still means the same thing, even after it was used metaphorically to refer to the king's spokesman. It is no different with Jesus.  He is metaphorically called the Word of God, because he is God's main spokesman.  That fact doesn't make the word “logos” have some mystical, secret meaning from there on out, 2B.  The word “logos” CONTINUES to be a Greek word for “word”. So 99% of the time, “word of God” simply refers to the MESSAGE God spoke, whether directly, or through a vice-regent.  There is no secret, magical, pseudo meaning involved.  It only means that God conveyed a message to others in one way or another. But, a couple of times in scripture, “word of God” refers to God's spokesman Jesus Christ, who is also metaphorically called the lamb of God – even though he isn't an actual lamb. Hi Mike, So “The Word” means the word of GOD, except when it doesn't – is that it? To me and others “The Word” always means the word of GOD. Of course you are free to tell us it means differently, but you shouldn't feel bad if don't accept it. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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but you shouldn't feel bad if don't accept it.

this is a world of choices

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,18:51)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:32) Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,05:29) Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ? 2B, The Greek word “logos” is simply one of their words for “word”.  It refers to words that God has spoken, words that men have spoken, words that have been written down, words that have been shouted at another person, etc. It is also used as a title for spokesman.  In the case of the King of Abyssinia, his main spokesman was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”.  The fact that the king's spokesman is metaphorically referred to as the king's word does not make the word “word” mean anything other than “word”.  It still means the same thing, even after it was used metaphorically to refer to the king's spokesman. It is no different with Jesus.  He is metaphorically called the Word of God, because he is God's main spokesman.  That fact doesn't make the word “logos” have some mystical, secret meaning from there on out, 2B.  The word “logos” CONTINUES to be a Greek word for “word”. So 99% of the time, “word of God” simply refers to the MESSAGE God spoke, whether directly, or through a vice-regent.  There is no secret, magical, pseudo meaning involved.  It only means that God conveyed a message to others in one way or another. But, a couple of times in scripture, “word of God” refers to God's spokesman Jesus Christ, who is also metaphorically called the lamb of God – even though he isn't an actual lamb. Hi Mike, So “The Word” means the word of GOD, except when it doesn't – is that it?

That isn't even CLOSE to what I said to 2B, Ed. The Greek word “logos” simply means “word”……. PERIOD.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,07:38)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,18:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:32) Quote (2besee @ July 01 2013,05:29) Do you see how that has the word (logos) AND Jesus Christ? 2B, The Greek word “logos” is simply one of their words for “word”.  It refers to words that God has spoken, words that men have spoken, words that have been written down, words that have been shouted at another person, etc. It is also used as a title for spokesman.  In the case of the King of Abyssinia, his main spokesman was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”.  The fact that the king's spokesman is metaphorically referred to as the king's word does not make the word “word” mean anything other than “word”.  It still means the same thing, even after it was used metaphorically to refer to the king's spokesman. It is no different with Jesus.  He is metaphorically called the Word of God, because he is God's main spokesman.  That fact doesn't make the word “logos” have some mystical, secret meaning from there on out, 2B.  The word “logos” CONTINUES to be a Greek word for “word”. So 99% of the time, “word of God” simply refers to the MESSAGE God spoke, whether directly, or through a vice-regent.  There is no secret, magical, pseudo meaning involved.  It only means that God conveyed a message to others in one way or another. But, a couple of times in scripture, “word of God” refers to God's spokesman Jesus Christ, who is also metaphorically called the lamb of God – even though he isn't an actual lamb. Hi Mike, So “The Word” means the word of GOD, except when it doesn't – is that it? That isn't even CLOSE to what I said to 2B, Ed.  The Greek word “logos” simply means “word”……. PERIOD.

Mike,

You should tell Philo of Alexander that as he sure used it differently.

[mikeboll64]

You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways?

Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin.

The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2013,06:57)

You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways? Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin. The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”.

Mike,

Logos has technical meanings in philosophy. Philo used it as the demiurge just like it is used in John 1. They both seemed to have similar audiences to their teachings.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,09:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2013,06:57) You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways? Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin. The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”. Mike, Logos has technical meanings in philosophy.  Philo used it as the demiurge just like it is used in John 1.  They both seemed to have similar audiences to their teachings.

You mean like jam,

It all depend if you eat it,

Or drive into it,

Or just stand in one,

[jammin]

kerwin and ed

i cant imagine why you people dont want to believe what the bible actually says.
do you want to spend your second life in hell?

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ July 03 2013,16:04)

kerwin and ed i cant imagine why you people dont want to believe what the bible actually says. do you want to spend your second life in hell?

Hi Jammin,

Both me and Kerwin do believe what the bible actually says.
What we don't believe is: man's alterations to “The Word” of God.
Man's alterations hold no Authority over anyone – EXCEPT (maybe) YOU.

Jesus has promised all believers – they would be resurrected on “The Last day”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,20:25)

Quote (jammin @ July 03 2013,16:04) kerwin and ed i cant imagine why you people dont want to believe what the bible actually says. do you want to spend your second life in hell? Hi Jammin, Both me and Kerwin do believe what the bible actually says. What we don't believe is: man's alterations to “The Word” of God. Man's alterations hold no Authority over anyone – EXCEPT (maybe) YOU. Jesus has promised all believers – they would be resurrected on “The Last day”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

AND Christ did not promise all believers that they would go to heaven neither,

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,10:54)

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,09:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2013,06:57) You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways? Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin. The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”. Mike, Logos has technical meanings in philosophy.  Philo used it as the demiurge just like it is used in John 1.  They both seemed to have similar audiences to their teachings. You mean like jam, It all depend if you eat it, Or drive into it, Or just stand in one,

Pierre,

Close enough.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,21:53)

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,10:54) Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,09:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2013,06:57) You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways? Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin. The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”. Mike, Logos has technical meanings in philosophy.  Philo used it as the demiurge just like it is used in John 1.  They both seemed to have similar audiences to their teachings. You mean like jam, It all depend if you eat it, Or drive into it, Or just stand in one, Pierre, Close enough.

Kerwin

but I forgot at least one JAM the name

you see word ,is only a word but if you give it as an name now it become THE WORD ,an cannot be used as any other meaning,

read those scriptures back In Col 1;15-21 and see ,and john 1;1 and 14

this is not an spirit that it is talked about but a real being ,

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