JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,12:35)

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,01:02) God the father is not talking to himself. how many times do i need to tell you this. GOD the father is talking to GOD the son, Okay then, show us all a version that says God the Father was talking to God the Son in Gen 1:26. (And BTW, if there is only ONE Almighty God, then even IF God the Father was talking to God the Son, it still adds up to God talking to HIMSELF.  It's good to know that IS what you believe, and that you are too ashamed to say it out loud.  It says a lot about your doctrine, jammin.)

MAN is talking to himself?

how do you understand that boy?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25)

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,04:53) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,20:32) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,13:29) kerwin, the bible said there is GOD the son NCV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But God the only Son is very close to the Father, and he has shown us what God is like. sorry boy., make your own bible Jammin, John 1:18 King James Version (KJV) 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. It is not there. it is there but you do not understand the verse. that is why we use different versions to make it clear. it is true that Christ is hte only begotten son it is also TRUE that he is GOD just like his father. they are both GOD GOD THE FATHER GOD THE ONLY SON john 1.1 John 1:1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. and that WORD is Christ. Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses.

stop making stories.
make your own bible.

im sick and tired of hearing your stories.
i want version pls. do not give awful opinion

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39)

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,04:53) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,20:32) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,13:29) kerwin, the bible said there is GOD the son NCV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But God the only Son is very close to the Father, and he has shown us what God is like. sorry boy., make your own bible Jammin, John 1:18 King James Version (KJV) 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. It is not there. it is there but you do not understand the verse. that is why we use different versions to make it clear. it is true that Christ is hte only begotten son it is also TRUE that he is GOD just like his father. they are both GOD GOD THE FATHER GOD THE ONLY SON john 1.1 John 1:1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. and that WORD is Christ. Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion

Jammin,

So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,07:42)

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son. Kerwin, I was rooting for you in this discussion until you threw that nonsense out there.  There is NO scripture that EVER says God's Holy Spirit is His “son”. Nor is there ANY scripture that EVER says God's Holy Spirit is the third person in a triune Godhead. jammin, are you saying that John 1:18 says no one has seen God, but God, who is in the bosom of God, came to us in plain view to explain God?   How much sense does that really make?

Mike,

Scripture is clear that the Spirit is the primary one that knows the things of God. If there is one there cannot be two that have the same knowledge.  titles are not the same as the Spirit is the Son in one way and Jesus is the Son in another.

The Spirit knows the things of God and reveals them to Jesus who in turn reveals them to believers.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03)

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,04:53) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,20:32) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,13:29) kerwin, the bible said there is GOD the son NCV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But God the only Son is very close to the Father, and he has shown us what God is like. sorry boy., make your own bible Jammin, John 1:18 King James Version (KJV) 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. It is not there. it is there but you do not understand the verse. that is why we use different versions to make it clear. it is true that Christ is hte only begotten son it is also TRUE that he is GOD just like his father. they are both GOD GOD THE FATHER GOD THE ONLY SON john 1.1 John 1:1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. and that WORD is Christ. Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture.

then give me version.

the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself.

do not make stories.

if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1

stop saying non sense words

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,13:34)

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture. then give me version. the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself. do not make stories. if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1 stop saying non sense words

Jammin,

It does not take a version it just takes knowledge of what a spirit is.   Just stating you want a version reveals you lack such knowledge.  When writing to the saints at Corinth Paul, while carried along by the Spirit, assumed they had such knowledge.  You have not learned it and so are easier to deceive.  Scripture assumes believers know many things that we in this time have not been taught.

If you want to learn then it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

So who is the only one that knows the things of God?  
Does it say Jesus?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,15:49)

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

Kerwin,

Is the spirit of a man the son of that man?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,22:34)

those verses clearly said that GOD is everywhere.

No they didn't. That is just what you're reading into those verses.

jammin, let's talk about this point that you and Kathi neglected to answer about 30 pages ago:

Hebrews 1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……..

Who is the “God” that spoke through His Son in “these last days”?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,04:57)

Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,15:49) 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Kerwin, Is the spirit of a man the son of that man?

Mike,

Are you aware you are asking if the relationship of a man's spirit to a man is in some aspect the same as a son to his father?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,08:49)

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture. then give me version. the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself. do not make stories. if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1 stop saying non sense words Jammin, It does not take a version it just takes knowledge of what a spirit is.   Just stating you want a version reveals you lack such knowledge.  When writing to the saints at Corinth Paul, while carried along by the Spirit, assumed they had such knowledge.  You have not learned it and so are easier to deceive.  Scripture assumes believers know many things that we in this time have not been taught. If you want to learn then it is written: 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. So who is the only one that knows the things of God?   Does it say Jesus?

therefore you cant give a version. you can give me stories but im tired of hearing your stories boy.

make your own bible. LOL

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,10:17)

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,22:34) those verses clearly said that GOD is everywhere. No they didn't.  That is just what you're reading into those verses. jammin, let's talk about this point that you and Kathi neglected to answer about 30 pages ago: Hebrews 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. Who is the “God” that spoke through His Son in “these last days”?

ill repeat

did you notice what daivd say?
he said
Or where can I flee from your presence?

do you understand that sentence?
that is one proof that GOD is everywhere.

another verse is
‘Am I a God near at hand,' says the Lord, ‘and not a God afar off? Can anyone hide himself in secret places, so I shall not see him?' . . . ‘do I not fill heaven and earth?' says the Lord? (Jeremiah 23:23,24).

do you understand that?
GOD is everywhere!
now the meaning of GOD is everywhere is that no one can hide from GOD.
do you understand that? that is the meaning of GOD is everywhere.

study hard boy LOL

you cant ignore those verse bec those verses clearly said that GOD is everywhere.

no version would say GOD is not everywhere.
100% sure!

why dont you make one boy??? LOL
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[mikeboll64]

Hebrews 1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……..

jammin, who is the “God” that spoke through prophets in the past, and through His Son in “these last days”?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 20 2013,05:26)

Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,08:49) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture. then give me version. the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself. do not make stories. if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1 stop saying non sense words Jammin, It does not take a version it just takes knowledge of what a spirit is.   Just stating you want a version reveals you lack such knowledge.  When writing to the saints at Corinth Paul, while carried along by the Spirit, assumed they had such knowledge.  You have not learned it and so are easier to deceive.  Scripture assumes believers know many things that we in this time have not been taught. If you want to learn then it is written: 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. So who is the only one that knows the things of God?   Does it say Jesus? therefore you cant give a version. you can give me stories but im tired of hearing your stories boy. make your own bible. LOL

Jammin,

Most versions work but the application of the Spirit and reason are required.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:39)

Hebrews 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. jammin, who is the “God” that spoke through prophets in the past, and through His Son in “these last days”?

answer my question first before i can answer yours. you are changing the topic boy. LOL

it is very obvious. i know you cant read that GOD is not everywhere.
why dont you accept the truth mike.

dont be shy LOL

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,13:42)

Quote (jammin @ May 20 2013,05:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,08:49) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture. then give me version. the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself. do not make stories. if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1 stop saying non sense words Jammin, It does not take a version it just takes knowledge of what a spirit is.   Just stating you want a version reveals you lack such knowledge.  When writing to the saints at Corinth Paul, while carried along by the Spirit, assumed they had such knowledge.  You have not learned it and so are easier to deceive.  Scripture assumes believers know many things that we in this time have not been taught. If you want to learn then it is written: 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. So who is the only one that knows the things of God?   Does it say Jesus? therefore you cant give a version. you can give me stories but im tired of hearing your stories boy. make your own bible. LOL Jammin, Most versions work but the application of the Spirit and reason are required.

of course you have the spirit but not from GOD>

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 20 2013,09:36)

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,13:42) Quote (jammin @ May 20 2013,05:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,08:49) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,17:03) Quote (jammin @ May 17 2013,10:39) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,12:25) Jammin, John 1:18 is one place John calls God's Spirit God's Son.  You only know this if you know it is the Spirit that knows God and makes him known to who he chooses. stop making stories. make your own bible. im sick and tired of  hearing your stories. i want version pls. do not give awful opinion Jammin, So you do not know that just as no man knows the things of a man except the spirit within him so no one knows the things of God but the spirit within him.  I obtained that “story” from Scripture. then give me version. the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ himself. do not make stories. if you want to prove your stories then you must show version in john 1.1 stop saying non sense words Jammin, It does not take a version it just takes knowledge of what a spirit is.   Just stating you want a version reveals you lack such knowledge.  When writing to the saints at Corinth Paul, while carried along by the Spirit, assumed they had such knowledge.  You have not learned it and so are easier to deceive.  Scripture assumes believers know many things that we in this time have not been taught. If you want to learn then it is written: 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. So who is the only one that knows the things of God?   Does it say Jesus? therefore you cant give a version. you can give me stories but im tired of hearing your stories boy. make your own bible. LOL Jammin, Most versions work but the application of the Spirit and reason are required. of course you have the spirit but not from GOD>

Jammin,

I am the one that is unsettled by interpretations that cause spirit to be broken. From what I have seen you are not. Your action on that is not the fruit of God's Spirit. Repent.

Jesus cannot be the Son mentioned in John 1:18 as that causes John 1:18 to come into conflict with 1 Corinthians 2:11. On the other hand John, a Jew, labeling the Spirit as the only begotten Son mere follows the tradition of labeling God's attributes his children.

Your problem is that ignorant and corrupt men have found the truth hard to understand and thus made the Spirit a person instead of the attribute of God he is. This teaching you hold onto breaks Scripture.

[jammin]

kerwin,

you want to believe your unwritten doctrine?
how can people believe your doctrine if that is unwritten? does it make sense?
what you are saying is non sense.
do you understand what you are talking about?

you are giving me stories and im giving you verse.
cant you see the truth that your doctrine is not written but purely man made doctrine.

what are you talking about that the son in john 1.18 is not CHRIST?

let me post the bible
John 1:18
New Life Version (NLV)
18 The much-loved Son is beside the Father. No man has ever seen God. But Christ has made God known to us.

make your own boy LOL

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,05:08)

kerwin, you want to believe your unwritten doctrine? how can people believe your doctrine if that is unwritten? does it make sense? what you are saying is non sense. do you understand what you are talking about? you are giving me stories and im giving you verse. cant you see the truth that your doctrine is not written but purely man made doctrine. what are you talking about that the son in john 1.18 is not CHRIST? let me post the bible John 1:18 New Life Version (NLV) 18 The much-loved Son is beside the Father. No man has ever seen God. But Christ has made God known to us. make your own boy LOL

Jammin,

I don't consider the NLT as credible as a word for word translations.  You can keep quoting it and like versions but I consider that action as a call to authority fallacy.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,10:25)

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,05:08) kerwin, you want to believe your unwritten doctrine? how can people believe your doctrine if that is unwritten? does it make sense? what you are saying is non sense. do you understand what you are talking about? you are giving me stories and im giving you verse. cant you see the truth that your doctrine is not written but purely man made doctrine. what are you talking about that the son in john 1.18 is not CHRIST? let me post the bible John 1:18 New Life Version (NLV) 18 The much-loved Son is beside the Father. No man has ever seen God. But Christ has made God known to us. make your own boy LOL Jammin, I don't consider the NLT as credible as a word for word translations.  You can keep quoting it and like versions but I consider that action as a call to authority fallacy.

but you want me to consider your imagination, right?

LOL

make your own bible.

no scholars will agree to you boy

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,06:35)

Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,10:25) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,05:08) kerwin, you want to believe your unwritten doctrine? how can people believe your doctrine if that is unwritten? does it make sense? what you are saying is non sense. do you understand what you are talking about? you are giving me stories and im giving you verse. cant you see the truth that your doctrine is not written but purely man made doctrine. what are you talking about that the son in john 1.18 is not CHRIST? let me post the bible John 1:18 New Life Version (NLV) 18 The much-loved Son is beside the Father. No man has ever seen God. But Christ has made God known to us. make your own boy LOL Jammin, I don't consider the NLT as credible as a word for word translations.  You can keep quoting it and like versions but I consider that action as a call to authority fallacy. but you want me to consider your imagination, right? LOL make your own bible. no scholars will agree to you boy

Jammin,

Actually I want you to open your eyes and see how your teaching is broken and thus not the teaching of God.

Seek godly understanding.

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