JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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Isaiah 44:8 means there is no other “Almighty”, of course there are other 'mighty ones'.

Ed,

In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Ed, is there? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Hi Mike: of course, but that in NO WAY proves your case.

Hmmmm………….. So Jehovah said He was the only el, yet you agree there exist OTHERS? And you STILL think it is a LITERAL statement? Something's wrong with your thinking cap, Ed.

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“EL” defines as “The Almighty” for YHVH, and 'mighty ones' for all others.

The word “el” means “mighty one”. When the Hebrews wanted to call Jehovah the ALMIGHTY mighty one, they added the word “shaddai”, and called Him “El Shaddai”.

Hint: There would be no need to ADD the word “shaddai” (which means “almighty”) if “el” already meant “almighty”.

September 12, 2012 at 11:04 pm#312667

Ed J

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Is Jehovah called “the God of gods”? YES or NO?

El of Eloheems

God bless
Ed J

Almighty of mighty ones

September 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm#312668

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1) El of Eloheems

Daniel 11:36 King James Version
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

I'll ask again: Is Jehovah called “the God of gods”? YES or NO?

(Also, pay attention to the fact that this king will magnify himself above every god. Hmmm……….. but I thought there was only one………… )

September 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm#312669

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Ed,

In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Ed, is there? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Mike,

You know full well that there is no other source of power other than Father Yahweh………………

Yes Frank,

I do know that. But here is the question once again:

In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Frank? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

September 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm#312670

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Emphatical statement test for Ed and Frank……………

Overheard from a Denver Broncos fan: There are no quarterbacks besides Payton Manning!

Is this statement:

A. Literal, meaning that Payton Manning is LITERALLY the ONLY football quarterback in existence?

B. Emphatical, meaning that, from the viewpoint of the speaker, Payton Manning is the BEST quarterback in existence?

Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here: (Link)

1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.
2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.
3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformation.

Your post exhibits logic fallacies number 1 and 2;
now call for Pierre and you'll win the trifecta!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Your use of the word 'trifecta' I found to be very fitting for these false prophets and very fitting for their use of pagan Trinitarian concepts (theories)!

And mikebull's64 still continues to be owned in the very forum that he co-moderates!

And let it be known that he will soon be passing out those so powerful tiles that he wields around in this forum! :laugh:

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

…

September 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm#312673

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Ed,

In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Ed, is there? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Mike,

You know full well that there is no other source of power other than Father Yahweh………………

Yes Frank,

I do know that. But here is the question once again:

In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Frank? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Mike,

Listen to Father Yahweh when he says:

I am Yahweh, and there is no other; apart from me there is no Might One. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged Me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other (Isayah 45:5-6).

It is in Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word where you will find your answer!

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

…

September 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm#312676

jammin

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there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the father

And how many Almighty Gods does “ONE” plus “ONE” equal, jammin?

mike the nature of God is almighty

That's the wrong answer, jammin. (The correct answer is “TWO”………….. ONE plus ONE equals TWO.)

So, if you worship Jesus as your God, and you worship Jehovah as your God, then you worship TWO Gods – plain and simple.

TWO person but one in nature, nature God.

mike your doctrine is not consistent about Christ. before you believe that he is just god. but now he is God to you and the father is GOD LOL

ill repeat again
your argument is SO WEAK boy LOL

if i will follow your argument, you and your father have the same nature, HUMAN. and you believe that

but for you…you are Human and your father is HUMAN

LOL LOL LOL LOL

your doctrine is for clowns

September 12, 2012 at 11:40 pm#312677

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in the book of Philippians Shaul makes mention that Yahshua was in the “FORM of Yahweh WHEN HE WAS HERE IN THE WORLD.

Hmmm………… So Jesus already WAS a human being when he was “made in the likeness of a human being”?

Mike,

Just LIKE the first Adam (of mankind, male and female) who were also created in Father Yahweh's image, likeness or form! And just like I have been trying to get through your thick head all along! :laugh:

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

…

September 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm#312678

jammin

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The true God, know not any God. except Himself.

Sent by God, means: God alone is the sender not the people has been sent…. they were the representatives of the one and only true God. :blues:

the bible sent his son. there is no wrong with that boy.
but that is not the whole truth of the bible. you are not saying the WHOLE TRUTH of the bible.
you are like your father satan LOL

paul said Christ is God.
john said Christ is God
thomas said he is God

the apostles and frist century christians believe he is God!

let me post your FAVORITE VERSION
Philippians 2:6

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.

did you see that boy?? LOL

study hard boy. LOL
your favorite version does not support your illusion. i remember that you are using this version to prove Christ is not God but the version says he is God. LOL

go back to school boy LOL

September 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm#312679

jammin

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THE BIBLE SAID THAT CHRIST IS EQUAL WITH GOD. i know you do not believe these words of paul.

jammin, What verse are you referring to?

Thanks – Wm

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

paul said that. but mike and his fellow false teachers do not believe the words of paul.

i believe what the bible said.

September 13, 2012 at 12:54 am#312688

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In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Frank? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Mike,

Listen to Father Yahweh when he says:

Exodus 12:12
………and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.

Frank, listen to what Father Yahweh says.

The answer to the question is: YES! There are MANY elohim mentioned in the scriptures.

And since that is the case, we know that Isaiah 44:8 is an EMPHATICAL statement, just like the statement about Payton Manning in my example.

September 13, 2012 at 12:56 am#312689

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there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the father

And how many Almighty Gods does “ONE” plus “ONE” equal, jammin?

mike the nature of God is almighty

That's the wrong answer, jammin. (The correct answer is “TWO”………….. ONE plus ONE equals TWO.)

So, if you worship Jesus as your God, and you worship Jehovah as your God, then you worship TWO Gods – plain and simple.

TWO person but one in nature, nature God.

Where in scripture can I read that our one God consists of two or more persons, jammin?

Please list the scripture(s).

September 13, 2012 at 12:58 am#312690

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in the book of Philippians Shaul makes mention that Yahshua was in the “FORM of Yahweh WHEN HE WAS HERE IN THE WORLD.

Hmmm………… So Jesus already WAS a human being when he was “made in the likeness of a human being”?

Mike,

Just LIKE the first Adam (of mankind, male and female) who were also created in Father Yahweh's image, likeness or form!

So the first Adam was already existing as a human being when God made him in the likeness of a human being?

I don't think so, Frank.

September 13, 2012 at 1:28 am#312692

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THE BIBLE SAID THAT CHRIST IS EQUAL WITH GOD. i know you do not believe these words of paul.

jammin, What verse are you referring to?

Thanks – Wm

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

paul said that. but mike and his fellow false teachers do not believe the words of paul.

i believe what the bible said.

*Let this mind be in you, which was also in the Messiah Yahsua: Who, being in the form of Yahweh, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with Yahweh: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient [to his and our Father Yahweh] unto death, even unto death of his execution (Philippians 2:5-8).

Yahshua is the prophesied humble servant of his and our Father Yahweh in Isayah 53 *of whose example we are to follow.

Father Yahweh does not humble Himself to no other and He is not a servant to no other.

Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also (Yahchanan 15:20).

A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master (Mattithyah 10:24).

I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him (Yahchanan 13:16)

You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I (Yahchanan 14:28).

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of the Messiah is Yahweh (1 Corinthians 11:3).

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

…

September 13, 2012 at 1:37 am#312693

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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 12 2012,17:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2012,09:51)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 12 2012,16:28)

in the book of Philippians Shaul makes mention that Yahshua was in the “FORM of Yahweh WHEN HE WAS HERE IN THE WORLD.

Hmmm………… So Jesus already WAS a human being when he was “made in the likeness of a human being”?

Mike,

Just LIKE the first Adam (of mankind, male and female) who were also created in Father Yahweh's image, likeness or form!

So the first Adam was already existing as a human being when God made him in the likeness of a human being?

I don't think so, Frank.

Mike,

You know full well that I do not believe as you have perverted me to say! You can keep perverting my words just as you continue to pervert Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word and continue to be owned on the very forum that you co-moderate till you are blue in the face. In your do so, you will never sway me to believe in such perversion! :laugh:

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

…

September 13, 2012 at 2:03 am#312694

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In Isaiah 44:8, Jehovah asks, “Is there an el besides me?”

Well Frank? Is there any other being who is ever called “el” or “elohim” in scripture? YES or NO?

Mike,

Listen to Father Yahweh when he says:

Exodus 12:12
………and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.

Frank, listen to what Father Yahweh says.

The answer to the question is: YES! There are MANY elohim mentioned in the scriptures.

And since that is the case, we know that Isaiah 44:8 is an EMPHATICAL statement, just like the statement about Payton Manning in my example.

Mike,

I do listen to Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word and study and put it into practice on a daily basis as is instructed.

Father Yahweh will judge and has already judged all of theses so-called and false “gods” as powerless and as “no gods at all”! They are LITERALLY non-existent as actual beings! :laugh:

They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded (Deuteronomy 32:17).

And you see and hear how this fellow Shaul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that man-made gods are no gods at all (Acts 19:26).

You still continue to be owned in the very forum that you co-moderate and continue to be powerless in swaying me to your perverted beliefs just as the very false and so-called “gods” that you recognize as actual beings that exist! :laugh:

Isayah 9:6:

Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?

Yahchanan 1:1:

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Yahchanan 20:28:

Hebrews 1:8:

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92