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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,09:56) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 26 2012,21:12) these people are putting their own words in the bible.
there is no “IN” in john 1.1 and 1.14
You are right. That's why Ed has to bring the word “IN” from a completely different scripture in 2 Cor to help him “twist” John 1:14.Ed, you're not allowed to borrow the word “IN” from 2 Cor 5:19 and place it into John 1:14.
(Btw, “NO”, it is not “an alternate account of John 1:14”. Nor would it teach what you want it to teach if it was. The Word became flesh and had the glory of the Son of God, right? So if you are saying the Word WAS God, then you are also saying that God became flesh and had the glory of His own Son.)
Hi Mike,“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)Big stretch huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
LOLkeep dreaming ed
LOLQuote (jammin @ Aug. 28 2012,08:22) there is nothing wrong with man and a man.
You are correct, jammin. As I explained just recently, if one is “man” qualitatively, then he is “a man”. I am MAN (of the species known as “mankind”), and therefore I am A MAN. So whether or not you add the “A”, it means the same thing.Quote (jammin @ Aug. 28 2012,08:22) God said he is a God.
Once again, you are correct. Jehovah is A god. He is one of MANY gods we learn about in the scriptures. What sets Jehovah apart from all those other gods (like Jesus and Satan) is the fact that He alone created all things (including those other gods), and He alone is the MOST HIGH God.jammin, the Father is the MOST HIGH God. Jesus is His Son, and therefore not the same being as the Father, and therefore not the MOST HIGH God.
I am happy to see you posting scriptural truth though. Keep up the good work.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,13:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14)
Hi Mike,“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)Big stretch huh?
Ed J,TWO THUMBS WAY UP!
Mike,
So it is now known that you have been owned!
Dear Ed, Siskel, and Ebert,1. If the Word was the Most High God in John 1:1, then who was the God that the Word was with?
2. Your understanding STILL relies on ADDING the word “IN” into John 1:14. That word is not in any Greek text, so why would you take it upon yourself to add words to the scriptures, thereby completely changing the teaching?
Let's follow your teaching that the Word was the Most High God for a minute, Ed. I will swap out the pronouns that refer to “the Word” with the words “God Most High“.
John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,09:28) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,13:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14)
Hi Mike,“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)Big stretch huh?
Ed J,TWO THUMBS WAY UP!
Mike,
So it is now known that you have been owned!
Dear Ed, Siskel, and Ebert,1. If the Word was the Most High God in John 1:1, then who was the God that the Word was with?
2. Your understanding STILL relies on ADDING the word “IN” into John 1:14. That word is not in any Greek text, so why would you take it upon yourself to add words to the scriptures, thereby completely changing the teaching?
Let's follow your teaching that the Word was the Most High God for a minute, Ed. I will swap out the pronouns that refer to “the Word” with the words “God Most High“.
John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Mike,Just another one of your perversions of what is actually being said!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 29 2012,08:52)
“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)
LOLkeep dreaming ed
LOL
Jammin,That is what the bible says, Jammin.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,09:28) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,13:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14)
Hi Mike,“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)Big stretch huh?
Ed J,TWO THUMBS WAY UP!
Mike,
So it is now known that you have been owned!
Dear Ed, Siskel, and Ebert,1. If the Word was the Most High God in John 1:1, then who was the God that the Word was with?
2. Your understanding STILL relies on ADDING the word “IN” into John 1:14. That word is not in any Greek text, so why would you take it upon yourself to add words to the scriptures, thereby completely changing the teaching?
Let's follow your teaching that the Word was the Most High God for a minute, Ed. I will swap out the pronouns that refer to “the Word” with the words “God Most High“.
John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Hi Mike,You don't pay attention very well.
“The Word” is the “HolySpirit” (Link)
Traditions of men say otherwise, why?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgGalatians 4:4. Yeshua “CAME FROM” the Father, just as you and I “came from” our fleshly fathers. Yeshua clearly had a beginning — and the apostle Paul tells us what that beginning was :
But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
Again, the word translated “MADE” in this scripture is word #1096 in Strong's Greek Dictionary, and means —
1096. …. ginomai, ghin'-om-ahee; a prol. and mid. form of a prim. verb; to cause to be (“gen”-erate), i.e. (reflex.) to become (come into being),
Thayer's Greek Lexicon again shows us word #1096 to mean —
1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being: absol., Jn. 1. 15, 30 (….); Jn. viii. 58 (….); 1 Cor. xv. 37 (….); …., to be born, Ro. i. 3 (…., come from); of the origin of all things, Heb. x1. 3; …, Jn. i. 3, 10.
As a result, the CORRECT translation of Galatians 4:4 should be:
But when the appointed time had fully come, YEHOVAH sent forth His son, coming into existence from a woman, coming into existence under the subjection of the Law.
Yeshua the Messiah came into existence from a woman — and came into existence under the Law. All the scriptures agree that Yeshua came into EXISTENCE in the FLESH — and not one second before! However, due to the corruptions of the translators, KEY verses in the Bible were changed by ADDING words or by DECEPTIVE renderings. History shows that we have Constantine the “Great” — the so-called “savior” of Christianity — to thank for helping to establish a corrupted and pagan Christianity that features the doctrines of a PRE-EXISTENT SAVIOR within a Trinity.
SOURCEWHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,16:44) John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?[/quote]
Mike,Just another one of your perversions of what is actually being said!
I agree that my makeshift translation was a perversion, Frank. But it was not MY perversion. It was ED's perversion, for which you gave him “two thumbs way up”.All I did was take YOUR perversion and write it into the book of John.
Btw, I thought that you believed the Word was “sublime”, and not “God Himself”. Why then, would you give a high five to Ed when he is claiming that the Word actually is God Most High?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2012,16:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,09:28)
John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Hi Mike,You don't pay attention very well.
“The Word” is the “HolySpirit”
It seems that YOU don't even pay attention to YOUR OWN doctrine, Ed. Yes, I know that you say the Word is the Holy Spirit, but you also say the Holy Spirit IS God Most High.So my “translation” of John 1 still lays YOUR belief out for all to see. And I've asked you if what I wrote is what you believe. Well…………… is it?
(I also asked you: If the Word is God Most High Himself, then who is the “God” that the Word was WITH in the beginning? Please answer the question.)
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,09:52) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2012,05:14) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 29 2012,08:52)
“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was in Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)
LOLkeep dreaming ed
LOL
Jammin,That is what the bible says, Jammin.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
the Word is Christ in john 1.1
2 cor has nothing to do with john 1.1read the context boy
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,10:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,16:44) John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Mike,Just another one of your perversions of what is actually being said!
I agree that my makeshift translation was a perversion, Frank. But it was not MY perversion. It was ED's perversion, for which you gave him “two thumbs way up”.All I did was take YOUR perversion and write it into the book of John.
Btw, I thought that you believed the Word was “sublime”, and not “God Himself”. Why then, would you give a high five to Ed when he is claiming that the Word actually is God Most High?[/quote]
Mike,No, it most definitely another one of your argumentative perversions of what is actually being said as always!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Mike,
No, it most definitely another one of your argumentative perversions of what is actually being said as always!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
mike said: Jehovah is A god
the bible said he is a God not A god
Exodus 6:3-7
Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
3 that appeared to Abraham, and to Isaac, and to Jacob, I am Almighty God; and I showed not to them my great name Adonai, that is, Tetragrammaton. (who appeared to Abraham, and to Isaac, and to Jacob, I am Almighty God; but I did not tell them my great and holy name, Yahweh, or Jehovah;)
7 and I shall take you to me into a people, and I shall be your God;
Exodus 6:7 KJV
And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God:make your own bible mike LOL
Mike,
I most certainly do believe that Father Yahweh's word is sublime as is He and that His word was with Him.
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Frank,
Your posts have no substance, nor do they ever refute what I've claimed, nor defend what you have claimed.
They are the childish taunts of a middle-schooler, and nothing more. Your words are the clanging of cymbals, Frank.
Quote (jammin @ Aug. 28 2012,18:13) mike said: Jehovah is A god the bible said he is a God not A god
jammin,It is men who decided which letters to translate in English versions. If it were up to me, I would refer to Jehovah as “GOD”, with all caps, to Jesus as “God”, with only the “G” capped, and to all others as “gods”.
In this way, I could demonstrate that Jesus is above the other gods, but at the same time, his GOD is above him.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,10:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,16:44) John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Mike,Just another one of your perversions of what is actually being said!
[/quote]
I agree that my makeshift translation was a perversion, Frank. But it was not MY perversion. It was ED's perversion, for which you gave him “two thumbs way up”.All I did was take YOUR perversion and write it into the book of John.
Btw, I thought that you believed the Word was “sublime”, and not “God Himself”. Why then, would you give a high five to Ed when he is claiming that the Word actually is God Most High?
FALSE,It is YOUR perversion.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,11:38) Frank, Your posts have no substance, nor do they ever refute what I've claimed, nor defend what you have claimed.
They are the childish taunts of a middle-schooler, and nothing more. Your words are the clanging of cymbals, Frank.
Mike,Your posts have no substance, nor do they ever refute what I've claimed, nor defend what you have claimed.
They are the childish taunts of a middle-schooler, and nothing more. Your words are the clanging of cymbals, Mike.
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Hi Mike,
You don't pay attention very well.
“The Word” is the “HolySpirit” (Link)
Traditions of men say otherwise, why?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2012,18:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,10:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 28 2012,16:44) John 1
2HeGod Most High was with God in the beginning.9
The true lightGod Most High, that gives light to every man, was coming into the world.10
HeGod Most High was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.11
HeGod Most High came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.14
The WordGod Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seenhisGod Most High's glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Does that sound about right to you Ed? How about to you Siskel and Ebert?
Mike,Just another one of your perversions of what is actually being said!
I agree that my makeshift translation was a perversion, Frank. But it was not MY perversion. It was ED's perversion, for which you gave him “two thumbs way up”.All I did was take YOUR perversion and write it into the book of John.
Btw, I thought that you believed the Word was “sublime”, and not “God Himself”. Why then, would you give a high five to Ed when he is claiming that the Word actually is God Most High?[/quote]
FALSE,It is YOUR perversion.
Hmmmm…………So then you are NOT the one who equated “the Word” with “the God who was in Jesus, reconciling the world to Himself”?
Is it not YOU who insists that the Word is the Holy Spirit, which in turn is God Most High?
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