JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 17 2012,04:06)

According to Jammin, Jesus Christ is truly God and offer himself to God Truly God offered to truly God? two truly God? That's Jammin doctrine and not by the Bible.

[mikeboll64]

jammin,

Many mss have “only begotten son” in 1:18, and many others have “only begotten god”.  It's hard to tell which one John really wrote, but he definitely called Jesus a god in 1:1, right?  So I have no problem with Jesus being a god, just as I have no problem with Satan being “the god of this age”.  The word in Biblical times only meant “mighty one”, and was used of Jehovah, Jesus, Satan, angels, and even human beings.

And Jesus most definitely is a “mighty one”, right?

But here's the thing:  If we accept “only begotten god” in 1:18, what then?  Do you suppose that God Almighty was begotten by anyone at any time?  Of course not.  So if the Most High God was never begotten, what does it mean that Jesus is the “only BEGOTTEN god”?

If God's nature is “unbegotten”, and Jesus' nature is “begotten”, then you have a problem trying to get us to believe they are somehow “equal”, and even more of a problem trying to convince us that they are the same exact being.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

The fake is obvious – there is no such thing as a begotten god.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Nowhere in the so-called “New Testament” does Yahchanan [John] ever call Yahshua “a god”! Anyone who believes such foolishness is reading into the translations of Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word something that simply is not there.

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

“Jesus IS God!”?

…

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,08:18)

jammin, Many mss have “only begotten son” in 1:18, and many others have “only begotten god”.  It's hard to tell which one John really wrote, but he definitely called Jesus a god in 1:1, right?  So I have no problem with Jesus being a god, just as I have no problem with Satan being “the god of this age”.  The word in Biblical times only meant “mighty one”, and was used of Jehovah, Jesus, Satan, angels, and even human beings. And Jesus most definitely is a “mighty one”, right? But here's the thing:  If we accept “only begotten god” in 1:18, what then?  Do you suppose that God Almighty was begotten by anyone at any time?  Of course not.  So if the Most High God was never begotten, what does it mean that Jesus is the “only BEGOTTEN god”? If God's nature is “unbegotten”, and Jesus' nature is “begotten”, then you have a problem trying to get us to believe they are somehow “equal”, and even more of a problem trying to convince us that they are the same exact being.

your NWT says a god in john 1.1
but the greek text says was God. not a god boy.

study greek

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,01:34)

Hi Jammin: I have explained this to you many times now.       Thomas said: unless I see and touch I will not believe. 2 Cor 5:19 spells out clearly why Thomas said what he said…       Jesus said to Philip: (John 14:11) Believe me that I in the Father,       and the Father in me: “or else” believe me for the very works sake.       Thomas believed THE WORK of God the Father!       To wit, that  God was in Christ,  reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)       Thomas said My Lord and my God  because Thomas finally believed       what Jesus told Philip: to believe for THE VERY WORKS SAKE! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thomas said: unless I see and touch I will not believe.

yes i believe thomas said that. i have no problem with that.

but you are switching to other verse boy LOL

why dont you post the complete words of thomas.
let me post it

john 20-25-28
25 So the other disciples kept telling him, We have seen the Lord! But he said to them, Unless I see in His hands the marks made by the nails and put my finger into the nail prints, and put my hand into His side, I will never believe [it].

26 Eight days later His disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, though they were behind closed doors, and stood among them and said, Peace to you!

27 Then He said to Thomas, Reach out your finger here, and see My hands; and put out your hand and place [it] in My side. Do not be faithless and incredulous, but [stop your unbelief and] believe!

28 Thomas answered Him, My Lord and my God!

now, what did thomas say to CHRIST in verse 28

a. MY LORD AND  MY GOD or
b. GOD was in Christ

choose your answer boy  

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Well, that is news. I had not realized that Mike was a Jehovah's Witness!

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

“Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.” (John 14:11)

The work of God raising Jesus from the dead
proved to Thomas that God was in him. (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 18 2012,20:22)

Well, that is news. I had not realized that Mike was a Jehovah's Witness!

F

how do you know ?

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59)

limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy

Jammin,

You did not said “two truly God”?

You have said you have only one truly God, the Father.

You have said also that the Son is truly God.

How can count it, One?

Where is in the Bible that the One and only true God has two person but one in nature?

I am pretty sure, you will not answer, because it is your practice not to answer.

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59)

limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy

Jammin said,

The Son is truly God and the Father is truly God.

Jammin stand: Two persons but One nature God.

Use your common sense Jammin.

Human nature is a creation but God nature has not a creation and no beginning it is His attributes.

Where in the Bible that the One and only true God has two or three persons but One nature as God?

Better make your own Bible “kiddie boy”!

[limjunus]

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 18 2012,17:03)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59) limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy Jammin said, The Son is truly God and the Father is truly God. Jammin stand: Two persons but One nature God. Use your common sense Jammin. Human nature is a creation but God nature was not a creation and no beginning it is His attributes. Where in the Bible that the One and only true God has two or three persons but One nature as God? Better make your own Bible “kiddie boy”!

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,01:07)

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 17 2012,21:21) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 17 2012,19:18) mike, who is that God? of course i have only ONE God the father. the bible also says ONE GOD THE SON Where is the Bible that said “ONE GOD THE SON” John 1:18 Amplified Bible (AMP) 18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB) 18 No one has ever seen God.    God the only Son, study hard boy LOL you are contradicting the bible boy. i do not accept illusion. i believe what is written. better luck next time LOL

See how this Jammin “kiddie boy” altered the holy scriptures.

John 1:18 Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [a]unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB)
18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son, who is at the Father’s side, has made God known.

“God, the only Son,” means the only Son of God, who is at the Father's side, has made God known.

Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, is the interpreter and made God known to us.

Jesus Christ did not made himself known to us as the One and only true God, but his Father alone.

Jesus Christ is at his Father's side. The Bible did not tell us that the the Son and the father are two persons in One truly God.

Jammin, do not do any alteration of the Bible passages. Better make your own Bible “kiddie boy”.

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59)

limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy

Hebrews 9:14 New Living Translation (NLT)

14 Just think how much more the blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds[a] so that we can worship the living God. For by the power of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for our sins.

Jammin belief is crushing the above verse head-on collision!

Jammin belief: The Son is truly God offered to a Father truly God?

Which is the One and only true God, the Son or the Father

I am not asking the above querstion to Jammin. He is not responding, what for?

[limjunus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,08:09)

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 17 2012,04:06) According to Jammin, Jesus Christ is truly God and offer himself to God Truly God offered to truly God? two truly God? That's Jammin doctrine and not by the Bible.

Mike,

Jammin do no know how to count simple arithmetic?

Jesus Christ is truly God with Jammin.

Truly God offered himself to truly God,.. how many truly God Jammin has?

Jammin answer: ONE TRULY GOD ….. HE HE HE

bETTER FOR “KIDDIE BOY” jAMMIN TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 17 2012,20:13)

i accept monogenes huios. i do not have a problem with that boy. but i think you have a problem boy ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:18 18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος the greek also says monogenes theos. God the only son study hard boy LOL

Jammin,

John 1:18 is speaking of the Christ Spirit that dwells in the human Jesus; and not the human Jesus.

It is the Christ Spirit that makes the human Jesus the Son of God.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2012,20:09)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 17 2012,20:13) i accept monogenes huios. i do not have a problem with that boy. but i think you have a problem boy ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:18 18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος the greek also says monogenes theos. God the only son study hard boy LOL Jammin, John 1:18 is speaking of the Christ Spirit that dwells in the human Jesus; and not the human Jesus. It is the Christ Spirit that makes the human Jesus the Son of God.

Christ became flesh. he was given a name jesus.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,13:53)

Hi Jammin, “Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” (John 14:11) The work of God raising Jesus from the dead proved to Thomas that God was in him. (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

do not explain boy
you did not answer my question
ill repeat
now, what did thomas say to CHRIST in verse 28

a. MY LORD AND MY GOD or
b. GOD was in Christ

choose your answer boy

[jammin]

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 18 2012,16:47)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59) limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy Jammin, You did not said “two truly God”? You have said you have only one truly God, the Father. You have said also that the Son is truly God. How can count it, One? Where is in the Bible that the One and only true God has two person but one in nature? I am pretty sure, you will not answer, because it is your practice not to answer.

the bible said that Christ and the father have the same nature and that is their nature God.
btw
you did not answer my question boy

do you have TWO form or nature??? yes or no?

[jammin]

Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 18 2012,16:47)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 18 2012,00:59) limjunus, i did not say TWO truly God. two persons but one in nature, nature God. GOd is nature. God is form. according to phil 2.6 paul said that. do you have TWO form or nature? LOL you are sick boy LOL btw, it is non sense to talk to you bec you have no common sense boy LOL you are using NLT to prove Christ is not GOd but that version says he is God LOL study hard boy Jammin, You did not said “two truly God”? You have said you have only one truly God, the Father. You have said also that the Son is truly God. How can count it, One? Where is in the Bible that the One and only true God has two person but one in nature? I am pretty sure, you will not answer, because it is your practice not to answer.

you and your father…how many???
of course you are 2 in numbers but you have ONE nature, and that is your human nature.
do you agree???

btw
you are still not answering my question boy
do you have two form or nature? yes or no?

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