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Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 06 2012,04:59) ok I'll look at it with my trusted KJV!
Why? The info I just posted for you wasn't someone's “guess”, journey. It is now a clear and undeniable FACT that the word “God” did not appear in any Greek ms of 1 Tim 3:16 until AFTER 200 AD.The earlier mss DO NOT have the word God in that verse. When the KJV was translated, they translated from the oldest and best mss known to them AT THAT TIME. We have since uncovered older and better ones – which is why the NASB, NIV, NRSV, and the other newer Bibles don't have the word “God” in that verse. Neither do the ancient Syriac texts, nor the Latin Vulgate.
Why would you even entertain jammin by using a translation that has been shown to be flawed in that particular verse?
An honest but mistaken man, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken, or ceases to be honest.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 05 2012,23:10) …………..some conclude it infers Thomas is calling Jesus “My Lord and my God”. Is it wise to so add to what is written?
Kerwin,It seems clear enough to me that if Thomas said TO JESUS, “My Lord and my God”, then he was calling these names TO JESUS.
Mike,Your conclusion based on the fact that Thomas spoke in reply to Jesus is that he was not declaring him to be his Lord and his God; as Peter declared him the Christ and the Son; but instead was calling him by the titles of Lord and God.
John 1:49
King James Version (KJV)49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
John 20:16
King James Version (KJV)16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 06 2012,16:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,03:51) Kerwin, It seems clear enough to me that if Thomas said TO JESUS, “My Lord and my God”, then he was calling these names TO JESUS.
Mike,Your conclusion based on the fact that Thomas spoke in reply to Jesus is that he was not declaring him to be his Lord and his God……………….
No Kerwin.My conclusion is that Thomas WAS declaring Jesus to be his lord and his god.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,05:11) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 06 2012,22:10) therefore the son is God according to KJV
1tim 3.16
Jammin.Peter said '' THOU ART THE MESIAH THE SON OF GOD.
And Jesus said it is God that revealed that to you.
Are you disagreeing with this? yes you are.Because you say; NO JESUS IS GOD,NOT THE SON OF GOD.
wakeup.
did i say that the Christ is not the son of GOD?you are not saying the whole truth boy
i said the Christ is the son of God. he is God by nature just like his father.
just like you and your father. you are both MAN by nature.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,08:21) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,20:52) i answered already your question based on the bible
phil 2.6 is nature.
God is nature.
So YOUR interpretation of Phil 2:6 is, “Who, existing in the form of NATURE, did not consider equality…………..”?You think the word “God” there means “Nature”?
do not fool people mike.the verse says form of God or nature GOD
Philippians 2:6
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
6 who, being in the form of God,
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Who, being in very nature God,
study hard boy
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,10:15) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 06 2012,16:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,03:51) Kerwin, It seems clear enough to me that if Thomas said TO JESUS, “My Lord and my God”, then he was calling these names TO JESUS.
Mike,Your conclusion based on the fact that Thomas spoke in reply to Jesus is that he was not declaring him to be his Lord and his God……………….
No Kerwin.My conclusion is that Thomas WAS declaring Jesus to be his lord and his god.
LOLmike is now using a small letter l for Lord
hahahahabefore you are using a small g for God
now, you are using a small l for Lordhahaha
make your own bible mike! LOL
Quote (jammin @ Aug. 06 2012,19:18) do not fool people mike. the verse says form of God or nature GOD
Yes. And I've been asking you what Paul meant by the word “God” in that verse.Was Jesus is the form of a SPECIES known as “Godkind” or something?
Or was Jesus in the form of a SINGLE, PARTICULAR BEING known to us as “God”?
Which one do YOU think, jammin?
Quote (jammin @ Aug. 06 2012,19:21) before you are using a small g for God
now, you are using a small l for Lord
Yes jammin,I don't want anyone out there to think that I think Jesus is the Most High God or the Most High Lord.
So, for this context, knowing that Thomas didn't actually think Jesus was God Almighty, I used a small “l” and a small “g”. I suppose if I was comparing our Savior God with our savior Jesus, I would use the small “s” for Jesus and the cap for God.
But when talking ONLY about our Savior Jesus, I use the cap “S” for him.
I suppose I could just start capping all of the “G's” and “S's” and “L's”. I could say that Satan is the God of this world like t8 does. Would that be better for you?
do not make questions that cant be read in phil 2.6
can you read species there?
it says there FORM OR NATURE.
if the bible is silent, you must be silentQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,12:30) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 06 2012,19:21) before you are using a small g for God
now, you are using a small l for Lord
Yes jammin,I don't want anyone out there to think that I think Jesus is the Most High God or the Most High Lord.
So, for this context, knowing that Thomas didn't actually think Jesus was God Almighty, I used a small “l” and a small “g”.
the apostles know that Christ has the same nature like his father.your father is truly human. do you believe that > yes or no?
Quote (jammin @ Aug. 06 2012,19:31) do not make questions that cant be read in phil 2.6 can you read species there?
it says there FORM OR NATURE.
if the bible is silent, you must be silent
Form or nature of WHO, jammin?form of God. nature of God.
Christ was in the form or nature GOD
that was his nature. his nature GOD
Philippians 2:6New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
now answer mine,
your father is truly human. do you believe that > yes or no?Form of “God”, you say?
Okay, I agree. Now, what exactly did Paul MEAN by “God”? Was he saying that Jesus was existing in the form of the One who created all things?
ill repeat
that was his nature. his nature GOD
Philippians 2:6New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
now answer mine,
your father is truly human. do you believe that > yes or no?Hi Mike,
It sure is hard to get Jammin to answer questions; is it not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orged,
what are you talking about? are you blind? LOL
dont you know how to read???
LOL
i said that is Christ's nature. his nature GOD>
paul said thatPhilippians 2:6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
study hard boy.
btw you are still not answering my question about IS 1.3
LOLjammin,
I need an actual ANSWER to my question I've been asking for weeks now.
What does the word “God” mean in Phil 2:6?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 06 2012,19:40) Hi Mike, It sure is hard to get Jammin to answer questions; is it not?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,It's not just jammin. It's hard to get straight answers out of many people who realize the straight answer is going to hurt their doctrine.
Some people become so comfortable with a lie that they no longer want to accept the truth that is right before their eyes. (This happens in certain relationships also – where one knows the other is cheating, but doesn't really WANT to know, and so just ignores it, hoping it will go away.)
Right now, jammin has realized that his beloved doctrine has been cheating him for years, because we are, in effect, showing him photos of the doctrine cheating on him. But he LOVES the doctrine so much, he would rather just tear those photos up and pretend he never saw them. And naturally, he will take his anger about his cheating doctrine out on us, instead of the one who is really at fault – like so often is the case in relationships like this.
the verse talks about his nature. he was God.
Philippians 2:6New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
exmple
you mike, your nature is HUMAN.now answer mine,
do you believe that your father is truly HUMAN> yes or no?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,12:51) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 06 2012,19:40) Hi Mike, It sure is hard to get Jammin to answer questions; is it not?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,It's not just jammin. It's hard to get straight answers out of many people who realize the straight answer is going to hurt their doctrine.
Some people become so comfortable with a lie that they no longer want to accept the truth that is right before their eyes. (This happens in certain relationships also – where one knows the other is cheating, but doesn't really WANT to know, and so just ignores it, hoping it will go away.)
this is true to you and to ed.until now u are not answering my easy question
your father is truly human, do you believe that> yes or no?
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