JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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Hi Charles, Jesus is the “Son of God” – not God himself.

“If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your
mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom.8:11)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

August 4, 2012 at 12:00 am#307992

Wakeup

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:49)

jammin,Aug. wrote:

[/quote]
ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

(limjunus @ Aug. 01 2012,23:57)
Thomas, did not address his saying to Jesus, but instead Thomas, is indirectly uttering that words as “MY LORD AND MY GOD! (OMG!) with his extremely sudden emotion…………..

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jammin.

Thomas did say My Lord and My God.
My Lord; is Jesus himself ,and MY God; is the father in him.

David said the same thing.
He said; the LORD said unto MY LORD,sit thou at my right hand—–

The Lord is the father,and my Lord is Jesus(the word at that time).

wakeup.

August 4, 2012 at 12:09 am#307993

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,11:00)

Jammin.

Thomas did say My Lord and My God.
My Lord; is Jesus himself ,and MY God; is the father in him.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Simple enough, is it not?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

August 4, 2012 at 12:12 am#307994

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Backing up what Jesus said to Philip…

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
(Jesus said) Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake. (John 14:8,11)

August 4, 2012 at 12:13 am#307995

Participant

Thomas believed because of the works – the works – being God resurrecting Jesus.

August 4, 2012 at 12:56 am#307998

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,11:00)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:49)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07)

ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jammin.

Thomas did say My Lord and My God.
My Lord; is Jesus himself ,and MY God; is the father in him.

David said the same thing.
He said; the LORD said unto MY LORD,sit thou at my right hand—–

The Lord is the father,and my Lord is Jesus(the word at that time).

wakeup.

wake up

do not put your own words to thomas

read in john 20.28 that thomas said that MY LORD and GOD IS IN YOU

thomas did not say that. thomas said, MY LORD AND MY GOD

make your own bible

August 4, 2012 at 12:59 am#307999

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,00:32)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,02:49)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07)

ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jamni

it does not matter what you say ,because we all know that you are wrong ,and that your understanding is faulty,you may insult us of being false teachers but it will not make you any more truthful ,you have lost your credibility long ago,and by your own hands and mind,so you are the only one to blame ,

you have shown us your religious believe ,what you have picked in one verse ,and made that single scripture your bible,

this are action of a immature student ,and so no mature discussion can go forward with you ,at the least with some of us,so good day,and see you when you have grown up.

so therefore you are changing your belief now. you do not believe that Christ is God?

who is Christ to you?

is he god or God???

is he lord or Lord?

you may ask for help

August 4, 2012 at 1:01 am#308000

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(limjunus @ Aug. 01 2012,23:57)
Thomas, did not address his saying to Jesus, but instead Thomas, is indirectly uttering that words as “MY LORD AND MY GOD! (OMG!) with his extremely sudden emotion………..
——————————————————

can you give me a translation that thomas said in john 20.28 OH MY GOD?

ill wait boy
you may ask for help

August 4, 2012 at 2:14 am#308009

Wakeup

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,11:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,11:00)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:49)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07)

ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jammin.

Thomas did say My Lord and My God.
My Lord; is Jesus himself ,and MY God; is the father in him.

David said the same thing.
He said; the LORD said unto MY LORD,sit thou at my right hand—–

The Lord is the father,and my Lord is Jesus(the word at that time).

wakeup.

wake up

do not put your own words to thomas

read in john 20.28 that thomas said that MY LORD and GOD IS IN YOU

thomas did not say that. thomas said, MY LORD AND MY GOD

make your own bible

jammin.

Did jesus not say that his father is in him?

I agreed with you what Thomas said.

Why would he say My Lord; why not just My God?

Because Jesus is his Lord,and The father inside Jesus is his God.

David said the same thing: the lord said unto MY LORD.
Who is the lord? and who is my Lord? can you explain?
I have never read a scripture Jesus saying I AM GOD,but I AM THE SON OF GOD. Dont create your own scriptures.

Jesus said I am the son of God;are you disagreeing with him? by saying no; you are not the son only but the father also.

Jesus said; I GO TO THE FATHER,the Father is in heaven,and he is going there where his Father is.
If Jesus is God than he does not have to go anywhere,to meet God.

God left him when he was crucified;remember?
So God did not die on the cross;but Jesus died.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON. NOT HIMSELF,BUT HIS SON.Are you contesting this claim?

I dont believe that God can die,do you?

wakeup.

August 4, 2012 at 2:48 am#308012

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,13:14)

Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

Did jesus not say that his father is in him?

I agreed with you what Thomas said.

Why would he say My Lord; why not just My God?

Because Jesus is his Lord,and The father inside Jesus is his God.

Jesus said I am the son of God;are you disagreeing with him? by saying no; you are not the son only but the father also.

Jesus said; I GO TO THE FATHER,the Father is in heaven,and he is going there where his Father is.
If Jesus is God than he does not have to go anywhere,to meet God.

God left him when he was crucified;remember?
So God did not die on the cross;but Jesus died.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON. NOT HIMSELF,BUT HIS SON.Are you contesting this claim?

I dont believe that God can die,do you?

wakeup.[\quote]

therefore you agreed that thomas said to jesus that he is LORD and his GOD!

thanks for that answer.
you are now contradicting your previous statement.
we are talking about john 20.28 and do not give your own interpretation. if you want your false doctrine to be supported, make your own version of john 20.28
put in your version that thomas said God is in you in verse 28 of john 20

did i say that i do not believe that the christ is the son of God?
where can you find in my post that i say that?

i said, he is the son of God and the son of GOD is also GOD by nature.

the apostles said that and i am not making my own scripture boy.
the bible said that.
John 20:28

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Philippians 2:6

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

6 In his very nature he was God.

the son, who is also God by nature, became flesh. the body died. the scripture says that he became flesh.
study hard boy

August 4, 2012 at 3:32 am#308018

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:42)

limjunus,

john 17.3 is correct but your interpretation is wrong
i do not have a problem with that. i believe that Christ is the son of God. i also believe that Christ is God. the apostles said that.

John 20:28

New International Version (NIV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

you just pick what you want but you do not believe what the whole bible says.

i believe that there is only one father who is truly God. john 17.3

the bible also says that the son is truly God.
1 john 5.20
john 1.1

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

My Lord and my God – In this passage the name God is expressly given to Christ, in his own presence and by one of his own apostles. This declaration has been considered as a clear proof of the divinity of Christ, for the following reasons:

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment.

2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.”

4. The Saviour proceeds immediately to commend Thomas for believing; but what was the evidence of his believing? It was this declaration, and this only. If this was a mere exclamation of surprise, what proof was it that Thomas believed? Before this he doubted. Now he believed, and gave utterance to his belief, that Jesus was his Lord and his God.

5. If this was not the meaning of Thomas, then his exclamation was a mere act of profaneness, and the Saviour would not have commended him for taking the name of the Lord his God in vain. The passage proves, therefore, that it is proper to apply to Christ the name Lord and God, and thus accords with what John affirmed in John 1:1, and which is established throughout this gospel.

sorry boy but you need to study hard. your words are non sense

Jammin is using Mr. Barnes explanation because both of them with the same stand.

Part of Mr. Barnes explanation: “3. The Saviour did not reprove him or check him as using any improper language. If he had not been divine, it is impossible to reconcile it with his honesty that he did not rebuke the disciple.

Rebuking Thomas for what, Jesus Christ is the Lord and God? The answer is NO!

Thomas has been rebuked by Jesus Christ for being non-believer of “resurrection doctrines”

Proof of my answer: ” John 20:24-25 (NIRV)

24 Thomas was one of the Twelve. He was called Didymus. He was not with the other disciples when Jesus came. 25 So they told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “First I must see the nail marks in his hands. I must put my finger where the nails were. I must put my hand into his side. Only then will I believe what you say.”

See how Jesus rebuke Thomas? John 20:26-28 (NLT)

26 Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. “Peace be with you,” he said. 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”

28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

The context is, Thomas do not want to believe that Jesus has been raised from the dead by God. You and Mr. Barnes is misrepresenting or twisting the truth about Thomas expression.(Exclamation Mark/ shouting with full of guiltiness in a shocking state)

Listen what Jesus teach to Thomas? verse 27

[Thomas] Stop doubting and believe.”

The issue is believing that there is resurrection. Jammin and Mr. Barnes is deceiving the seekers of the truth and shoul repel for what they have done.

August 4, 2012 at 3:40 am#308019

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,13:48)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,13:14)

Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

Did jesus not say that his father is in him?

I agreed with you what Thomas said.

Why would he say My Lord; why not just My God?

Because Jesus is his Lord,and The father inside Jesus is his God.

Jesus said I am the son of God;are you disagreeing with him? by saying no; you are not the son only but the father also.

Jesus said; I GO TO THE FATHER,the Father is in heaven,and he is going there where his Father is.
If Jesus is God than he does not have to go anywhere,to meet God.

God left him when he was crucified;remember?
So God did not die on the cross;but Jesus died.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON. NOT HIMSELF,BUT HIS SON.Are you contesting this claim?

I dont believe that God can die,do you?

wakeup.[\quote]

therefore you agreed that thomas said to jesus that he is LORD and his GOD!

did i say that i do not believe that the christ is the son of God?
where can you find in my post that i say that?

i said, he is the son of God and the son of GOD is also GOD by nature.

the apostles said that and i am not making my own scripture boy.
the bible said that.
John 20:28

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Philippians 2:6

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

6 In his very nature he was God.

the son, who is also God by nature, became flesh. the body died. the scripture says that he became flesh.
study hard boy

Jammin,

Do not misquoted my answered, you cut-off my sentence.

Now, I know who you are? a very dangerous person to talk to. Post the complete sentence of my answer and you will know that you are a very dangerous person in terms of “fair discussion.

August 4, 2012 at 3:54 am#308020

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Jammin.

Until this moment you didn't answer my very simple question and it was shown to the readers that you have been in a very difficult situation by not answering my question directly to you. I will re-post it agin and again.

“WHO IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, JESUS CHRIST THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD OR HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN WHO BEGOTTEN HIM?

2nd question of mine: HOW MANY TRUE GOD DO YOU RECOGNIZED?

I will presume that you are in a darkness and there is nothing truth with you by continuing not to naswer my questions.

Peace.

August 4, 2012 at 4:00 am#308021

Participant

how many nature or form do you have??
one or two??

you did not answer my question..
where can you find in john 20.28 that thomas said OH MY GOD>

ill wait boy

August 4, 2012 at 4:20 am#308025

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Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:49)

jammin,Aug. wrote:

[/quote]
ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jammin is trying very hard to prove his stand that Jesus Christ is truly God. Using and capitalizing the John 20:28 from his favorite version (NIRV) and avoiding to use the version of New Living Translation.

“27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”

28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

And the God words translation (GW)

27 Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Take your hand, and put it into my side. Stop doubting, and believe.”

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

And the CEB translation.

27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here. Look at my hands. Put your hand into my side. No more disbelief. Believe!”

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

Jammin avoiding to use the above versions because he could not really prove that Jesus Christ is the Lord and God, in using the Thomas respond to the said event with exclamation remark!!! and Jammin is trying very hard to hide the real facts and issue with confrontation between Jesus and Thomas.

I am not the false teacher,.. you are, Mr. Barnes and your wrongful interpretation of the action of Thomas with the event.

Sorry Jammin. You are relying not with the Bible true context but only with your own “ego” and misrepresentation.

Peace>

August 4, 2012 at 4:30 am#308029

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,00:32)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,02:49)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07)

ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ κύριος μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου.

the greek bible also says that thomas said these words to jesus!

in english,
and thomas answered and said unto him…

kurios mous kai ho theos mou! MY LORD AND MY GOD!

but this false teacher said a different story.

let me post what limjunus said

tsk tsk tsk.. you are really a false teacher boy

Jamni

you have shown us your religious believe ,what you have picked in one verse ,and made that single scripture your bible,

this are action of a immature student ,and so no mature discussion can go forward with you ,at the least with some of us,so good day,and see you when you have grown up.

misquoting is a dangerous act of a person like Jammin…dangerous person! OMG!

August 4, 2012 at 4:53 am#308030

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,04:24)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:42)

limjunus,

john 17.3 is correct but your interpretation is wrong
i do not have a problem with that. i believe that Christ is the son of God. i also believe that Christ is God. the apostles said that.

John 20:28

New International Version (NIV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

you just pick what you want but you do not believe what the whole bible says.

i believe that there is only one father who is truly God. john 17.3

the bible also says that the son is truly God.
1 john 5.20
john 1.1

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment.

2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.”

sorry boy but you need to study hard. your words are non sense

spin

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. [There is evidence, read verse John 20:26-29 NLT]

2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.” [addressed to Jesus as a respond and not clarifying us that his believe is Jesus his Lord and His God. Thomas is in the state of very strong shocked and big regret and shouting the OMG!]

3. The Saviour did not reprove him or check him as using any improper language. If he had not been divine, it is impossible to reconcile it with his honesty that he did not rebuke the disciple. No pious man would have allowed such language to be addressed to him. Compare Acts 14:13-15; Revelation 22:8-9. [There is a rebuttal done by Jesus. Do not be unbeliever but be a believer of the resurrection. The context or the issue is not who Jesus is, but the is Jesus was raised from the dead (resurrection doctrine).]

Be careful Jammin. Next time be sure that you are old enough to understand the real context of the Bible you have believing.

Peace.

August 4, 2012 at 5:05 am#308032

journey42

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Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,15:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,04:24)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:42)

limjunus,

john 17.3 is correct but your interpretation is wrong
i do not have a problem with that. i believe that Christ is the son of God. i also believe that Christ is God. the apostles said that.

John 20:28

New International Version (NIV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

you just pick what you want but you do not believe what the whole bible says.

i believe that there is only one father who is truly God. john 17.3

the bible also says that the son is truly God.
1 john 5.20
john 1.1

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment.

2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.”

sorry boy but you need to study hard. your words are non sense

spin

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. [There is evidence, read verse John 20:26-29 NLT]

Be careful Jammin. Next time be sure that you are old enough to understand the real context of the Bible you have believing.

Peace.

Jammin

Are you a christian?
Because if you have hatred and spite inside your heart, then
it will manifest sooner or later for all to see and be used as a witness against you,
and knowledge won't be revealed to you.
If the Spirit of God is truly inside you, then it should be growing in wisdom and love,
if not, then double check that spirit inside you,
cause it doesn't sound right from here what comes out of your mouth, and what you say only makes sense to you and no-one else,
Not to late to repent, even if others don't agree with you,
you should love and agree to disagree without falling into a hole to prove your point.
Believe what you wish but don't sin.

August 4, 2012 at 5:12 am#308034

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Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 04 2012,15:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,04:24)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 03 2012,19:42)

limjunus,

john 17.3 is correct but your interpretation is wrong
i do not have a problem with that. i believe that Christ is the son of God. i also believe that Christ is God. the apostles said that.

John 20:28

New International Version (NIV)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

28 Thomas responded to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

you just pick what you want but you do not believe what the whole bible says.

i believe that there is only one father who is truly God. john 17.3

the bible also says that the son is truly God.
1 john 5.20
john 1.1

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment.

2. The language was addressed to Jesus himself – “Thomas …said unto him.”

sorry boy but you need to study hard. your words are non sense

spin

1. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. [There is evidence, read verse John 20:26-29 NLT]

Be careful Jammin. Next time be sure that you are old enough to understand the real context of the Bible you have believing.

Peace.

Another misrepresentaion by Mr. Barnes.

“4. The Saviour proceeds immediately to commend Thomas for believing; but what was the evidence of his believing? It was this declaration, and this only. If this was a mere exclamation of surprise, what proof was it that Thomas believed? Before this he doubted. Now he believed, and gave utterance to his belief, that Jesus was his Lord and his God.”

A very clear misrepresentation of Mr. Barnes and Jammin easily ride on. What is the believe of Thomas? the answer is verse 24 NLT.

“24 One of the twelve disciples, Thomas (nicknamed the Twin), was not with the others when Jesus came. 25 They told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

“But he replied, “I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side.”

The apostles had informed Thomas,..” WE HAVE SEEN THE LORD!”

Thomas, replied: “I WONT BELIEVE IT….” (Roman 10:9)

So, the right representation of the event is, Thomas do not believe that Jesus was already raised from the dead and not the misrepresentation of Jammin and Mr. Barnes, that Thomas should believe that Jesus is the Lord and God.

Now, I can classified Jammin as the “false presentator of the truth about John 20:28. Peace.

August 4, 2012 at 5:37 am#308037