JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[IM4Truth]

Kejonn Yes it did. Thank you. Like I said before it is just recently that I began to study this, so I am not 100% convinced.
But with the trinity I am 200% convinced. Have to make a copy and study it.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 01 2007,06:54)

The more and more I read John 1, the less I see a pre-existant being. Are we truly to take the OT passages that speak of the “word of YHWH” and see some being flitting around, carrying out God's actions? John 1 is a simple summarization of the creation narrative: God spoke and things came to be. God spoke and a Savior was born; it was God's plan to save mankind through His only begotten Son. What confuses the issue with John 1 is the translation of the Greek word “autos” as “him”. This word can mean “he, she, or it”, “him, her, or it”. Yet the translators used “him” with no real reason to do so other than popular opinion. Can a “logos” — a “word” — truly be a “him”? Can somone show me where a “logos” was a “him” outside of John 1?

Kejonn…….> I see it that way also the word is an atribute God Himself. And does not refer to Jesus at all or infer that Jesus preexisted either, John 1.1 is simply saying that in the Begining was the word (intellegent uterance) and it was with God and was God.(his atribute which is part of Him) it was in the Beginning. And this intellegence is what inlightens every man that comes into the world.
I do not believe Jesus preexisted either, but was foreordained like Peter said and then He was Manifisted (or brought into existence ) in our time, Just like Peter said. peace to you brother……gene

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2007,16:37)

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 01 2007,06:54) The more and more I read John 1, the less I see a pre-existant being. Are we truly to take the OT passages that speak of the “word of YHWH” and see some being flitting around, carrying out God's actions? John 1 is a simple summarization of the creation narrative: God spoke and things came to be. God spoke and a Savior was born; it was God's plan to save mankind through His only begotten Son. What confuses the issue with John 1 is the translation of the Greek word “autos” as “him”. This word can mean “he, she, or it”, “him, her, or it”. Yet the translators used “him” with no real reason to do so other than popular opinion. Can a “logos” — a “word” — truly be a “him”? Can somone show me where a “logos” was a “him” outside of John 1? Kejonn…….> I see it that way also the word is an atribute God Himself. And does not refer to Jesus at all or infer that Jesus preexisted either, John 1.1 is simply saying that in the Begining was the word (intellegent uterance) and it was with God and was God.(his atribute which is part of Him) it was in the Beginning. And this intellegence is what inlightens every man that comes into the world. I do not believe Jesus preexisted either, but was foreordained like  Peter said and then He was Manifisted (or brought into existence ) in our time, Just like Peter said. peace to you brother……gene

I agree.
John 1 has been a struggle for me for some time.
I have come to the conclusion that Jesus is not even mentioned until John 1:4.

John 1:1 thru John 1:3 were all talking about God Himself.
Then in John 1:4 Jesus is mentioned.
Jhn 1:4
In him (God) was life; and the life was the light of men.
In God was the life that was the light of man. That life, the light of man, which He would eventually send to earth was Jesus.

Tim

[charity]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Sep. 01 2007,23:17)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2007,16:37) Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 01 2007,06:54) The more and more I read John 1, the less I see a pre-existant being. Are we truly to take the OT passages that speak of the “word of YHWH” and see some being flitting around, carrying out God's actions? John 1 is a simple summarization of the creation narrative: God spoke and things came to be. God spoke and a Savior was born; it was God's plan to save mankind through His only begotten Son. What confuses the issue with John 1 is the translation of the Greek word “autos” as “him”. This word can mean “he, she, or it”, “him, her, or it”. Yet the translators used “him” with no real reason to do so other than popular opinion. Can a “logos” — a “word” — truly be a “him”? Can somone show me where a “logos” was a “him” outside of John 1? Kejonn…….> I see it that way also the word is an atribute God Himself. And does not refer to Jesus at all or infer that Jesus preexisted either, John 1.1 is simply saying that in the Begining was the word (intellegent uterance) and it was with God and was God.(his atribute which is part of Him) it was in the Beginning. And this intellegence is what inlightens every man that comes into the world. I do not believe Jesus preexisted either, but was foreordained like  Peter said and then He was Manifisted (or brought into existence ) in our time, Just like Peter said. peace to you brother……gene I agree. John 1 has been a struggle for me for some time. I have come to the conclusion that Jesus is not even mentioned until John 1:4. John 1:1 thru John 1:3 were all talking about God Himself. Then in John 1:4 Jesus is mentioned. Jhn 1:4 In him (God) was life; and the life was the light of men. In God was the life that was the light of man. That life, the light of man, which He would eventually send to earth was Jesus. Tim

Hi TimothyVI;
thank you for sharing this;

Its so refreshing; God is Good, wow….

[charity]

His soul said this about, the servant Christ that was chosen; I feel concerned with a possible snare of the way; the way th Y Names have been used, in the average person may not be fully sure who they are giving worship to?
Due to not enough awareness OF, and a taking part in the resurrection of the dead, in which Christ was the first born of the dead. THAT many to follow, and even so by the instructions of the soul that were written before became flesh, did he confirm his coming into the world as written here, and used by Christ himself….

Mat 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

THE TALKING SOUL; a creation soul from the fathers days, that christ followed, being the first of the generation of the children, the sons of the fathers,
Zec 11:6 For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD: but, lo, I will deliver the men every one into his neighbour's hand, and into the hand of his king: and they shall smite the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver [them].
¶ And I will feed the flock of slaughter, [even] you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it [was] the word of the LORD.

[Cult Buster]

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,..

The Word is Jesus our God.

Rev 19:11  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12  His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14  And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17  And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

In case you missed it

Rev 19:17  And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto  
the supper of the great God;

Jesus the Lamb of God and the Word of God,  is the Great God, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Almighty God    

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Sep. 10 2007,14:13)

The Word is Jesus our God

Not true.

Jesus is our Lord, not God.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

You need to watch your life and doctrine closely because if you don't, you could damn or damage both yourself and your hearers.

[Cult Buster]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 10 2007,18:37)

Quote (Cult Buster @ Sep. 10 2007,14:13) The Word is Jesus our God Not true. Jesus is our Lord, not God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. You need to watch your life and doctrine closely because if you don't, you could damn or damage both yourself and your hearers.

t8. Not so fast with your “twist.”
There are no commas in the original language so don't rely on them for your doctrine.

there is but one God the Father
there is but one God the Son
there is but one God the Holy Spirit.

T8. Do you believe that the Father is “Lord”?
Likewise the Son is God.

there is but one Lord Jesus Christ
there is but one Lord The Holy Spirit
there is but one Lord The Father

t8. Consider the following:

2Pe 3:16  as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.  

[Cult Buster]

JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[kejonn]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Sep. 09 2007,22:21)

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 10 2007,18:37) Quote (Cult Buster @ Sep. 10 2007,14:13) The Word is Jesus our God Not true. Jesus is our Lord, not God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. You need to watch your life and doctrine closely because if you don't, you could damn or damage both yourself and your hearers. t8. Not so fast with your “twist.” There are no commas in the original language so don't rely on them for your doctrine. there is but one God the Father there is but one God the Son there is but one God the Holy Spirit.

And yet the verse listed only mentions one God, the Father. Where is “God the Son” and “God the Holy Spirit” in 1 Cor 8:6? Where are those phrases anywhere in scripture at all?

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T8. Do you believe that the Father is “Lord”? Likewise the Son is God.

Is the Holy Spirit Lord? If there are 3, all three must be Lord. Where do we ever see Lord attributed to the Holy Spirit?

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there is but one Lord Jesus Christ there is but one Lord The Holy Spirit there is but one Lord The Father

Please provide the scripture that supports “Lord the Holy Spirit”.

But I know you cannot because these scripture passages do not exist. Not that you cae, you only come on here once a week to say the same things and ignore rebuttals.

[Mr. Steve]

CB;

You are the funny one. You declare one God and then name three that are God. News flash: God is one, not three.

Take Care

Steven

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Prophets spoke for God and Jesus was such a prophet as Peter showed in Acts 3.22.
But none was called the Word of God except the man Jesus who was ever a mouthpiece for God.
Of course this could not be the case if he also was the God for whom he was the Word.

[NickHassan]

topical

[gollamudi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2007,08:45)

Hi K, That is when the LOGOS was with God. He was with God before that too- in the beginning. Then the LOGOS was made flesh and dwelled among us.

Hi Nick,
Was Logos a person which is also called God in Jn 1:1?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Indeed, but not our God.
Many are called gods in scripture.

[gollamudi]

So you don't believe Jn 1:1

1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”

You don't believe that the word was our God?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Does it say OUR GOD in the verse you quote?

[gollamudi]

Hi Nick,
God is God where is the question making another “god” as you repeatedly quote as socalled gods?
We have only one God whose “word” is mentioned in Jn 1:1 that is what I believe.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Is God just a Word?

[gollamudi]

you are going into same old arguements again, I only told that you should agree with Jn 1:1 that “the word was God” means the word is no separate person from that one God but an attribute belongs to Him.

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