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Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Hello
The Arians and the Henotheist would read Jn 1:1 as…
In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was “A” God!
Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
KTrue!!!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:10) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
KTrue!!!
AH! We agree?! Believe it or not WJ I'd rather agree than disagree:DIf we say the word was the son then are we not adding to scripture?
Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:10) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
KTrue!!!
AH! We agree?! Believe it or not WJ I'd rather agree than disagree:DIf we say the word was the son then are we not adding to scripture?
KTrue. But we do disagree in that I believe the “Word was God”!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:25) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:10) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
KTrue!!!
AH! We agree?! Believe it or not WJ I'd rather agree than disagree:DIf we say the word was the son then are we not adding to scripture?
KTrue. But we do disagree in that I believe the “Word was God”!
I believe the word before flesh was part of God! Jesus and the Father are ONE, Yes?
Hi Not3in1.
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2007,04:07) t8,
Thanks for clarifying for us regarding WJ's post. Sometimes I think that everyone has their own definition of theos and can look to any book to confirm it. It seems it is used as one wills, sometimes? But thanks for making sense of it all for me, at least.By the way, in the “chat” thread I really enjoyed all your photography! I am a bit of a photographer myself. The artist in me really enjoyed your picture-perspectives.
Dan and I will have to put NZ on our tour-ticket once the kids leave for college. I'll be sure to remember my ear-muffs for the wind……boy can it howl there (the video of the wind was cool).
If you ever make it here, be sure to get in touch.I could show you the sights.
Hi WorshippingJesus.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:08) Hello The Arians and the Henotheist would read Jn 1:1 as…
In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was “A” God!
John 1:1c doesn't have a definite article and in Greek there is no indefinite article.So you are right about the 'a god' part. But it is equally presumptious to say “the God” or God himself.
Translators add in words like a/an and capitalise where they see fit. But that is their opinion only. They may be right or wrong.
Some say a god, others say, God, and others also say 'theos' in a qualitative sense.
I point this out because you say that it is wrong to say that the Word was a god. But assume just as much with your view.
In the end we have other scriptures to show us which one.
“For us there is one God the Father”
“The only true God and Jesus whom he has sent.”So I guess I better give you one of these back.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:25) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:10) Quote (kenrch @ June 20 2007,12:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,11:41) Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”
Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
KTrue!!!
AH! We agree?! Believe it or not WJ I'd rather agree than disagree:DIf we say the word was the son then are we not adding to scripture?
KTrue. But we do disagree in that I believe the “Word was God”!
WJ, if you agree that the Word is not the Son, but the Word was God – this is interesting indeed!The traditional Trinitarian belief is that the Word was the “second person” of God (already existing as God). Do you believe that the “second person” of God (AKA Jesus) was not yet “seperate” from God before he was born? How then could *he* be *with* God?
Hi not3,
Those who follow trinity theory
must
deny the Son of God.
2Peter2
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.Quote (t8 @ June 24 2007,22:47) Hi WorshippingJesus. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,12:08) Hello The Arians and the Henotheist would read Jn 1:1 as…
In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was “A” God!
John 1:1c doesn't have a definite article and in Greek there is no indefinite article.So you are right about the 'a god' part. But it is equally presumptious to say “the God” or God himself.
Translators add in words like a/an and capitalise where they see fit. But that is their opinion only. They may be right or wrong.
Some say a god, others say, God, and others also say 'theos' in a qualitative sense.
I point this out because you say that it is wrong to say that the Word was a god. But assume just as much with your view.
In the end we have other scriptures to show us which one.
“For us there is one God the Father”
“The only true God and Jesus whom he has sent.”So I guess I better give you one of these back.
t8I seems you have a simple answer here.
But you havent yet responded to the true interpretation of John 1:1.
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1375
So I will hold my comment on the “Quality” issue untill you respond!
Hi,
Some would say LOGOS means thought or plan,
But scripture uses other words for such things.Job 21:27
“Behold, I know your thoughts,And the plans by which you would wrong me.Psalm 33:11
The counsel of the LORD stands forever,The plans of His heart from generation to generation.Proverbs 15:22
Without consultation, plans are frustrated,But with many counselors they succeed.Proverbs 16:3
Commit your works to the LORDAnd your plans will be established.Proverbs 16:9
The mind of man plans his way,But the LORD directs his steps.Proverbs 19:21
Many plans are in a man's heart,But the counsel of the LORD will stand.Jeremiah 29:11
'For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.Genesis 6:5
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.Psalm 94:11
The LORD knows the thoughts of man,That they are a mere breath.Psalm 94:19
When my anxious thoughts multiply within me,Your consolations delight my soul.Psalm 94:11
The LORD knows the thoughts of man,That they are a mere breath.Psalm 92:5
How great are Your works, O LORD!Your thoughts are very deep.
etcQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2007,08:04) Hi,
Some would say LOGOS means thought or plan,
But scripture uses other words for such things.Job 21:27
“Behold, I know your thoughts,And the plans by which you would wrong me.Psalm 33:11
The counsel of the LORD stands forever,The plans of His heart from generation to generation.Proverbs 15:22
Without consultation, plans are frustrated,But with many counselors they succeed.Proverbs 16:3
Commit your works to the LORDAnd your plans will be established.Proverbs 16:9
The mind of man plans his way,But the LORD directs his steps.Proverbs 19:21
Many plans are in a man's heart,But the counsel of the LORD will stand.Jeremiah 29:11
'For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.Genesis 6:5
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.Psalm 94:11
The LORD knows the thoughts of man,That they are a mere breath.Psalm 94:19
When my anxious thoughts multiply within me,Your consolations delight my soul.Psalm 94:11
The LORD knows the thoughts of man,That they are a mere breath.Psalm 92:5
How great are Your works, O LORD!Your thoughts are very deep.
etc
Nick I couldn't help but notice all the scriptures are Old Testament, before the Son of God.Hi K,
That is when the LOGOS was with God.
He was with God before that too- in the beginning.
Then the LOGOS was made flesh and dwelled among us.Quote (Not3in1 @ May 29 2007,18:49) Still lacking….. However my example that I have shared before also works: using my son (Nathan) and his father (Dan) as examples. In the beginning was Nathan, and Nathan was with Dan, and Nathan was Dan. Nathan was in the beginning with Dan.
How was Nathan “with” Dan before he was born? The same way Jesus was “with” his Father before he was born.
Mr. Steve and KJ –My post above is here for your review.
I believe that the Son was “with” the Father in the form of SEED (the potential for a son) – the same way earthly Father's carry their seed with them, or an apple has it's seed within it.
Thoughts.
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Hi,
Many would rewrite Jn 1.1 to read
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word is in God and the Word is God”Yes and some would rewrite John 1:1 to say: In the beginning was the son and the son was with God. Does the Word mean son?
Not until John 1:14 did the Word become the SON.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
K
True!!!
AH! We agree?! Believe it or not WJ I'd rather agree than disagree:D
If we say the word was the son then are we not adding to scripture?
K
True. But we do disagree in that I believe the “Word was God”!
I believe the word before flesh was part of God! Jesus and the Father are ONE, Yes?
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MAN—FIRST DAY
GOD–SEVENTH DAY
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Back to topNot3in1;
The best way to interpret scripture is with scripture. Christ said the seed is the Word of God. His word is eternal. Indeed, his word is eternal life and grows when it finds good ground. Christ was good ground because he was born of the word and begotten by God and every tree bringeth forth fruit after his kind. When God has children and the children obey they please God. Christ said he always did the things that pleased the Father. In response to the seed and the apple. Is not the seed part of the Apple. When you have an apple, don't you have seeds, too. In this manner the Word was God. Some believers that do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God only believe that Christ was God just as the seed is the apple. Again, the scriptures state that Christ made the worlds so he must have been begotten long before the foundation of our world and existed as the Son of God.
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